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i'm doing research on eskimos, and the more i learn, the more i realize that i don't know about these people. Gringo300 16:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Population table

Something is wrong with this table. When you add up the numbers, the first part of the table shows that the total population of that village is higher than the numbers in the concensus! If someone could fix this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekristow (talk • contribs) 16:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because the first column is the total population from the 2006 census. The Inuvaluit, First Nations, Métis, Other Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal are from the 2001 census. The breakdown for 2006 hasn't been released yet. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Has the 2006 breakdown been released yet, so that this table be updated? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

add image

I created some maps. Enjoy! Geo Swan (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! I added one of them to Inuvialuit Settlement Region. Rosiestep (talk) 21:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intro paragraph

This sentence seems garbled and I do not know what the writer is trying to convey: "They are descendants of the Thule people; other descendants who inhabit Russia." Can someone clarify?Dankarl (talk) 14:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sentence was originally added by an anonymous editor in Nov 2004 and has been edited down at least twice. Thule descendants in Russia seems unorthodox.Dankarl (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea. I've changed it now, how does that look. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 19:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks goodDankarl (talk) 21:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dankarl: Why unorthodox? The Thule people are generally identified with the prehistoric speakers of Eskimo languages, and Eskimo languages (though not Inuit languages like Inuvialuktun) are spoken in Russia, too. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In my understanding, the Thule people were the progenitors of the Inuit but not of the Yupik. Dankarl (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Inuvialuk people → Inuvialuit
Inuvialuk language → Inuvialuktun

– In both cases, the proper indigenous term without "people" or "language" have been a regular part of Canadian English for at least since the 1980s.

- Inuvialuk language/Inuvialuktun
  - Basic search on google "Inuvialktun" excluding wikipedia-related titles is 32,900 hits. For "Inuvaluk language" excluding wikipedia related titles there are only 1,950 hits, many of them bot-generated of one kind or another or just irrelevant completely such as "Translation of Inuvialuk language in Spanish" on babylon.com or "What rhymes with INUVIALUK LANGUAGE?" on rhymes.com or "Lyrics containing the term "Inuvialuk language" on lyrics.com
  - the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has 22 hits for "Inuvialuktun" vs zero hits for "Inuvialuk language"; the same can be expected from the other major Canadian media chains, and certainly from any newspaper serving the Northwest Territories or Yukon. I'll let you guess what the Aboriginal Peoples' Television Network and other aboriginal media use....(apparently their usages of English are for some reason discounted in UE debates, as we have seen in other RMs of the same kind)
  - Google News has for "Inuvialuk language" has one hit - babylon.com's offer to translate the phrase into Spanish and 32,900 results for "Inuvialuktun"
  - Google Scholar has zero hits for "Inuvialuk language" excluding Wikipedia-related items and the same for "Inuvialuktun"
  - Inuvialuktun was moved to the current title on Jan 1, 2011 by Kwami, with no rationale cited.
  Inuvialuk people/Inuvaluit
  - Basic search on google for "Inuvaluit" excluding Wikipedia-related terms has 166,000 hits, "Inuvialuk people" excluding Wikipedia-related items has 971 results, many of them again bot-generated and irrelevant of the same kind as "Inuvialuk language"
  - CBC has has 266 results for "Inuvaluit". They do have 6 results for "Inuvialuk people" but no results as a phrase, rather they speak of someone as an individual Inuvialuk and "people" occurs elsewhere in the linked item.
  - Google News has zero hits for "Inuvialuk people" excluding Wikipedia-related items and 35 hits for "Invialuit" excluding Wikipedia-related items
  - Google Scholar has zero hits for "Inuvialuk people" excluding Wikipedia-related items and 18 results for "Inuvialuit" excluding Wikipedia and including case law
  - Inuvialuit was moved on Jan 1 2011 by Kwami, citing "per language", apparently in reference to his own rewrite/expansion of WP:NCLANG which is in contravention of various other guidelines.
Both moves pointedly ignore COMMONNAME and also the fact that both Inuvaluit and Inuvliuktun are a part of English, whether mainstream Canadian English or "English as used by aboriginal peoples" (which is still English)...which his invented titles are not, as demonstrated by the above googles, and a scan of any Canadian media site. Skookum1 (talk) 12:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The name Inuvialuit is most common usage in Canada for Western Canadian Inuit people. In own native laanguage: Inuvialuk (sg: one person = one Inuvialuit) Inuvialuuk (dual: two people = two Inuvialuit) Inuvialuit (pl: three or more people = three or more Inuvialuit). But, the usage in English Inuvialuit is not plural (the usage as Inuvialuits not false; also in French: les inuvialuits). Yes, The name Inuvialuktun is most common usage in Canada for Western Canadian Inuit language. --Kmoksy (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- "most common usage in Canada" says it all. What you say about +s may be true, but I've never yet heard or seen that (so didn't think to search for it). we never call them "Western Canadian Inuit" though for many years I know that "Inuit" was the only term we heard in the south. "Inuvialuk people" also means "people who are Inuvialuk/uuk/uit" and, given the diversity of this group in various communities/sub-identities, the singular form was never a good idea; as if the singular one were citable, which it's not.Skookum1 (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This people/language is different from Eastern Canadian Inuit people (Inuit proper or simply Inuit) and language (Inuktitut). The popular usage in Canada of the name Inuit for all Eskimo-Aleut-speaking peoples of Canada (only Inuit sub-branch of Eskimo lived in Canada; but, Yupik sub-branch of Eskimo not lived in Canada). The usage of Western and Eastern Canadian Inuit is outside Canada. --Kmoksy (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We do make the distinction between Inuvialuit and Inuit now, though as noted not twenty-thirty year ago. And I meant to add a rider in the points above that "outside Canada" citations are not of value, as CANENGL applies here (Canadian terms on Canadian articles). This gets ignored and derided a lot, and feels more than a bit like imposed colonialism "from outside",but CANENGL is very valid; what's in academic English in other countries is not relevant and what is used in common (not just academic) English also devolves on "English as used in Canada", not how it's used in wherever else... said colonialism is not just in cases like these, but I'll leave that for now.Skookum1 (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]