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i'm doing research on eskimos, and the more i learn, the more i realize that i don't know about these people. Gringo300 16:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Population table

Something is wrong with this table. When you add up the numbers, the first part of the table shows that the total population of that village is higher than the numbers in the concensus! If someone could fix this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekristow (talk • contribs) 16:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because the first column is the total population from the 2006 census. The Inuvaluit, First Nations, Métis, Other Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal are from the 2001 census. The breakdown for 2006 hasn't been released yet. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Has the 2006 breakdown been released yet, so that this table be updated? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

add image

Orthographic projection centred over the Inuvialuit communities.
Inuvialiut communities -- unfortunately the political boundaries incorporated in this map predate the cessesion of Nunuvut.

I created some maps. Enjoy! Geo Swan (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! I added one of them to Inuvialuit Settlement Region. Rosiestep (talk) 21:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intro paragraph

This sentence seems garbled and I do not know what the writer is trying to convey: "They are descendants of the Thule people; other descendants who inhabit Russia." Can someone clarify?Dankarl (talk) 14:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sentence was originally added by an anonymous editor in Nov 2004 and has been edited down at least twice. Thule descendants in Russia seems unorthodox.Dankarl (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea. I've changed it now, how does that look. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 19:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks goodDankarl (talk) 21:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dankarl: Why unorthodox? The Thule people are generally identified with the prehistoric speakers of Eskimo languages, and Eskimo languages (though not Inuit languages like Inuvialuktun) are spoken in Russia, too. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In my understanding, the Thule people were the progenitors of the Inuit but not of the Yupik. Dankarl (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

– In both cases, the proper indigenous term without "people" or "language" have been a regular part of Canadian English for at least since the 1980s.

This people/language is different from Eastern Canadian Inuit people (Inuit proper or simply Inuit) and language (Inuktitut). The popular usage in Canada of the name Inuit for all Eskimo-Aleut-speaking peoples of Canada (only Inuit sub-branch of Eskimo lived in Canada; but, Yupik sub-branch of Eskimo not lived in Canada). The usage of Western and Eastern Canadian Inuit is outside Canada. --Kmoksy (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We do make the distinction between Inuvialuit and Inuit now, though as noted not twenty-thirty year ago. And I meant to add a rider in the points above that "outside Canada" citations are not of value, as CANENGL applies here (Canadian terms on Canadian articles). This gets ignored and derided a lot, and feels more than a bit like imposed colonialism "from outside",but CANENGL is very valid; what's in academic English in other countries is not relevant and what is used in common (not just academic) English also devolves on "English as used in Canada", not how it's used in wherever else... said colonialism is not just in cases like these, but I'll leave that for now.Skookum1 (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I searched for "Inuvialuuk" and got no hits from any English language website. In fact I only got one hit (the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre) that was in any way associated with the Inuvialuit. The other hits were mainly other language Wikipeidias and mirrors. I also looked up "inuvialuits" and went through the first 100 results. There were 12 uses of "inuvialuits" on pages in English while the other 88 were in French. The only one that was anywhere close to being a reliable source was Encyclopedia of American Indian History. The others were, The Oil Daily, 'On The Land' in the High Arctic, Rewarding Final Passage, Northern Exposure, The Porcupine River, also The Porcupine River, American Indian Heritage Month: Commemoration vs. Exploitation, Travel Yukon, Pintrest, Bebo and this. The last I'm surprised at. The kids should have got it right. The "s" in French is used by the Canadian government, see Across Time and Tundra: The Inuvialuit of the Canadian Arctic and Empreintes dans la neige - Les Inuvialuits de l'Arctique canadien. This follows the style of Correct use of Inuit and Inuk. Of course none of this has much to do with moving the article to the correct title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.
There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per the research provided by User:Skookum1 above. Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names ("Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural."), which is a policy, should apply here and is currently ignored by having the two articles at names that, as per the above, violate another policy, Wikipedia:No original research. On top of that there are two guidelines that also support the moving of the two articles to undisambiguated names. The first is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages), which in the opening states "Convention: Languages which share their names with some other thing should be suffixed with "language". If however the language is the primary topic for a title, there is no need for this." Inuvialuktun is a redirect to Inuvialuk language and is the primary topic for the title, it's the only topic for the title, which indicates a move is the correct choice. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes) says "How the group self-identifies should be considered. If their autonym is commonly used in English, it would be the best article title." which is what Inuvaluit is and once again Inuvialuk people is OR.
The idea that there can be no discussion unless at a central location to cover all languages and people is not necessary as there are already policies and guidelines to cover this. Also there has been opposition on Wikipedia to bulk nominations. It is quite obvious that some people and languages share, along with other possible targets, a common name that the only way to deal with them is to have them at "foo language" and "foo people". English is one of these that comes to mind. In this case the language and people use different names. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 03:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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