Talk:Toyota RAV4

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3.5L V6

Made several changes. The new 3.5L V6 is unique to North America, not being offered in other countries. Front wheel drive RAV4s are also mostly only sold in North America. I have added this info. I also changed the wording from "all wheel drive" to "four wheel drive", seeing as the former usually indicates permanent 4WD, something which the current model lacks (but previous models had). Davez621 10:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which Platforms?

Does anyone know which platforms the various versions of the RAV-4 uses? It is my impression that the current versions are off of a Corolla platform. Any information appreciated.--TGC55 17:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that versions 1 and 2 were based on the Corolla but version 3 had a whole new Chassis.

I thought the 1st generation used a modified version of the Celica platform — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.37.165 (talk) 08:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Top image?

Why was the top image changed from a 4-door to a 2-door? If there's a need for a top image at all (and I'm not at all sure about that, since there are images of every generation already), it should be the most common variant. Jay Maynard 19:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Engine versions and locale

I may be wrong, but I believe that in the early 21st century only the 1.8l 2.0l and 2.2l cars were available in the UK, whereas only the 2.5l was available in the US, is that so? $\alpha$ 15:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 51kwad (talk • contribs)

Section titles and platform codes

The current section titles for each generation are as follows:

First generation (XA1, 1994–2000)
Second generation (CA20W, 2001–2005)
Third generation (CA30W, 2005–present)

There are a number of problems with these titles. The XA1 uses only a single digit while CA20W and CA30W use two digits. The first generation does not have 'W' at the end, while the other two generations do have 'W' (which signifies Wagon). And the platform codes (XA, CA) are not quite consistent.

I will explain the platform code in more detail. Most Toyota fans know that the model code breaks down down as engine family (1 letter) + platform code (1 or 2 letters) + generation code (1 or 2 digits) + model within generation (1 digit). So, SXA10 breaks down as engine=S family+ platform=XA + gen-code=1 + sub-model=0. So now we know that the RAV4 platform code is XA. Knowing this and knowing that the ACA20 has a 1AZ engine, we can deduce that ACA20 is AZ + XA + 2 + 0 and that the Z+X combine to form a C. This is explained bit more at List of Toyota platforms, Talk:List of Toyota platforms and talk:Toyota Camry#Japanese only SV30/40 (look for Z+X=C). The same pattern for the ACA30 is AZ+XA + 3 + 0. For the ASA30 the pattern becomes AR+XA + 3 + 0 (R+X combine to form S).

Also, the years should be the calendar year it was introduced to the calendar year (inclusive) of its last month of production. So, if the XA10 was built from July 1994 to Aug 2001 (using faked months because I don't have them at hand), then the production years should be 1994-2001. this of course means that the end of one generation will be in the same calendar year as the start of the next generation.

Anyway, given the above, I would like to change the section titles to be:

XA10, 1994-2001
XA20, 2001-2005
XA30, 2005-present

We've done this for Toyota Camry. We've also split the Corolla articles up in a similar manner for E10, E20, ... E110 generations. Thoughts? Stepho (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

XA20 section title

"The second generation RAV4 went on sale in the middle of 2000" So why is the header 2001> ? That makes it impossible to have a 2000 model, even though it is perfectly possible, this needs changing. 81.137.240.118 (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I have changed it to 2000-2005. Stepho (talk) 12:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4th Generation?

why not let the edit about the 4th generation? http://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2013-rav4/ http://www.fastmotoring.com/index.php/2012/11/all-new-4th-generation-toyota-rav4-set-for-global-debut/ --190.7.201.2 (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing about upcoming information is good for blogs and news feeds but it can also be misleading. Toyota has given us a preview of it's best guess so far of what the new model will be but they may change their mind about many of its features and it's still unknown when it will start sales (they say early 2013 but dates often slip). In other words, it's still speculation - which is not what encyclopeadias report on.

Also, the references given so far are either short on details or obviously ad-copy written by Toyota.

Lastly, are you sure its actually a new generation (ie XA40 series) or just a facelift and engine change on the existing XA30 series? Stepho talk 00:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seems is a new, thus, 4th generation,..."But don’t get the idea that this fourth-generation RAV4 is all style and no substance" http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4/, unless Toyota change their mind...--190.7.201.2 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but that's the crux of the problem. 'Seems' is the world of advertising, to convince you to spend your money. But encyclopaedias deal only with facts. Toyota will advertise its vehicles in the best possible light and one of the best ways to sell in the US is 'ALL NEW!!!' and lots of hyperbole for even the smallest change. It may well be a new model - but we won't really know until it comes out. Stepho talk 01:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You got all wrong, you didn´t even go to the link!. The word 'Seems' is mine, the words by Toyota are between "" . Please go to the link.--186.64.134.134 (talk) 02:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I did follow all your links but I did manage to miss the words '4th generation' both times it appeared. Perhaps because Toyota so often hype up every minor release. Also because of major confusion when the NWH11 Prius was claimed as a new generation after the NWH10 Prius (it was a bigger engine and very minor facelift). The rest is all advertising hype - never trust someone who wants your money. I'm still not comfortable with a product description that may change in any possible feature before the actual release and the release date is vague and may slip anyway. Much better to wait until actual production/sales start so that can deal with what is rather than what might be. Since this is more of a policy thing, perhaps we should take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles. Stepho talk 01:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a policy level discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Product pre-announcements. All interested editors are welcome to contribute. Stepho talk 00:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stop calling crossovers SUVs!!!!!!!!!!

SUVs are shaped like trucks, and crossovers are shaped like cars.

Toyota RAV4 = crossover

Lexus RX = crossover

Mercedes-Benz M/GL-Class = crossover

BMW X3/X5 = crossover (like the X6)

Porsche Cayenne = crossover

Jeep Grand Cherokee = crossovers

SUVs are like Range Rovers, Tahoes, Expeditions, Hummers, G-Classes, etc., just sayin'! 166.137.191.22 (talk) 18:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yet all the examples you listed are shaped like scaled down trucks, sharing only their size with cars (and their underlying platform but you're only talking about shape/looks).

To my mind, an SUV is a large passenger vehicle with large under body clearance, large cargo capability and the ability to go off-road, although yuppie owners may rarely do so in fear of scratching the paint.

A compact or mini SUV is similar but smaller, retaining the under body clearance but scaling everything else down and still capable of going off-road.

A crossover is a different beast, retaining the looks of a SUV, the size of a car, the underpinnings of a car and generally sucks at going off-road. Early models could go off-road (4WD) but lately under body clearance has shrunk, 4WD has generally disappeared and they now look like tall station wagons with big wheels.

A mini crossover is an ordinary small car with jacked up suspension and some flares trying to look like a crossover, which is trying to look like a SUV - two times removed from the real thing but people buy them anyway. Sigh! Stepho talk 23:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Compact SUVs from the '80s, '90s and early 2000s were made of unibody, despite being shaped like trucks. One example is the Jeep Cherokee (XJ). The mid-size and full-size SUVs are made of body-on-frame, while those of unibody SUVs are actually called mid-size and full-size crossovers. Two examples are the newest generation Ford Explorer and Dodge Durango. 166.137.191.30 (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]