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partial lock

could an admin lock down this page please? spam is really getting annoying. --Gatoatigrado 18:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Semi-protection_policy

Truly speaking, I fail to see a "massive" amount of vandalism. -- ReyBrujo 19:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I guess looking at it 10+ bad edits a day aren't too bad. I'm sorry I put the request up before asking anyone else. If people get annoyed, I suppose a revert is okay with me. Nevertheless, it makes the history messy and there's a small chance (okay...at most 1/50) that a user will get a bad page. --Gatoatigrado 19:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, if an admin locks the page he must have reviewed the situation and considered the lock was in place. However, you will find worse situations (like when Revolution was renamed Wii, the Natalie Merchant article, or some article like Gay, George W. Bush and the like). -- ReyBrujo 20:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Just attack the vandals' weak point for massive damage. Roffler 22:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay I guess they removed it; sorry to complain. I guess I'm not used to such a massive system where bots and many users have time to revert things quickly. --Gatoatigrado 00:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC) Icon just removed lol...still not opposed to a revert if anyone wants. --Gatoatigrado 06:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

By the way, this is what inspired most of the phantom insider **** I believe. [1]. sony denied it of course, saying that it would be unfair to developers who have been working with the real hardware for several months now. --Gatoatigrado 00:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Kutaragi speculation

I put this up because of an article (link in previous sentence) but I think that it might be corporate speculation anyway. Please feel free to delete it.

"He also stated that it could run Darwin or Windows, but there is no evidence either companies would release a licensed version."

--Gatoatigrado 20:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

How is that possible? Microsoft and Apple's apps are (now) based on the x86 core by intel. Unless the cell is x86 based, I'm not seeing how Windows could run on it. I mean, yeah, possibly through emulation, but that is incredibly slow. -- Daniel Davis 02:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I know...the Darwin kernel can probably be recompiled and same with Windows, but it would take major participation from those corporations; quite unlikely. Perhaps darwin could be recompiled like it was for the Xbox 1, but the use of that isn't much. He said it, but it's probably wrong. I took it off. --69.214.12.27 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

OpenGL

Article says PSGL would be based on modified version of OpenGL ES 1.0 which is totaly absurd. Truth lies within OpenGL ES 2.0. Please fix this inconvience.

In the PDF which that is taken from, they said 2.0 came to late, could you give us a new source for your alligation? Havok (T/C/c) 10:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

it looks like they actually wanted to use it from the slides; please provide your source. if anyone wants to post page 6 from the only external link from the psgl article, with the image of collada, collada fx, and everything it might make the software development section more clear. --Gatoatigrado 00:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

"In response to Microsoft's successful Xbox Live network"

How was micrsosfts box live succesfull? last time i hecked, only 10% of xbox users actually used xbox live. Again, microofst were not the first to create a unified online service, and sony has shown no evidence that the move to create an online service, was motivated by xbox live. so unless thier is some proof, that sony would not have created this service without xbox live. I suggest it be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.97.7 (talk • contribs) .

Please show me the link to the source of the 10% point. Havok (T/C/c) 11:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

That was in their 2005 annual document, they had reached 2m users for a userbase of 22m. Xbox Live is successful because it is the most widely used online console service ever existed. However, I agree that the sentence seems an opinion (original research) if it has no references backing it up. In all, I believe the sentence must stay, but be correctly referenced to prevent discussions. -- ReyBrujo 11:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not just change it to "In response to Microsoft's Xbox Live network..", less POV as well. Havok (T/C/c) 12:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It may bring the same discussion in the future ("Response? Sony has been planning that since 199x!"). -- ReyBrujo 12:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

source? And we all know Xbox wasnt the first to have online, but it was the first to have it used. Also 360 and live is more popular than Xbox, and Sony has stated that they will include a marketplace similar to Xbox to download/buy content such as trailors and dmeos —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.18.204.15 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I like it the way it is. If you added the "for consoles", then I think it's not a bad point. --Gatoatigrado 00:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Cell spe used for OS

the article states "Additionally, one of the seven active SPEs is reserved for use by the system's OS, leaving six SPEs directly available to applications." - and from a link in the article http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060329/3dps330.htm .This seems interesting - any more info. on what happened to the 7th spe - I thought the systems OS was to be on the PPE. Is there anymore info on this? (I've read the translation of the japanese article and couldn't find any more info. except the statement that '7th spe is used for OS something something?)HappyVR 22:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You might want to look at the cell article. I think it's good if we keep most of the technical details in that article there, although a few could be brought to the playstation 3 article. someone should add this image (or recreate it) [2] or [3]. from [4] it seems that the online chat / video, (i would guess compression), crypt. functions, and network functions would use some of the cell's power. good quote but not appropriate for the article -

"Let's say you're right-handed, and I tie your right hand behind your back.
Are you now missing "50 percent of your manual dexterity"?
Are you missing "25% of the use of your appendages (= fingers + toes)"?
How about if I tie up your left hand instead?"

I think the power processor is needed for games, probably ai, basic engine features, and io. the instruction set is larger, and it would seem that it would be good for essential os code, but maybe not. does the power processor have multiple threads? --Gatoatigrado 00:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly clear on the terminology but I think if the XBOX 360 CPU is considered to comprise 3 double threaded processors then the cell PPE is single threaded - If I'm wrong I'm sure I will be corrected rapidly.HappyVR 14:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The cell article doesn't really give much more info.
It would be nice to have a citation to confirm this - the arstechnica article comes closest - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060413-6600.html but is this definate and not speculation?HappyVR 13:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the article is wrong about the spe not being fully reserved. yes it may be a bit of speculation, but the justification is probably correct. If you can find another source, let's add it to the article. --Gatoatigrado 09:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

link

http://www.ps3scene.com/. i'm not related; i think it's a decent news site. --Gatoatigrado 00:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

ps 1

User:cyberskull added and asked if the PS3 is backwards compatable with PS1 - anyone know?HappyVR 12:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

According to nearly all the information out there, yes. I put a link right in the infobox for clarification, but it seems there is no "backwards" parameter for the infobox, so I can't see it. Dancter 17:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Already answered, see the "TRC" thing. pretty much a backwards compatibility list, but hopefully longer than Microsoft's. --Gatoatigrado 09:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Controller

If the "banana" or "boomerang" shaped controller was officially abandoned, you must give a reason. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.119.56.136 (talk • contribs) .

they said due to public response they decided to keep it similar to their already popular design —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.18.204.15 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

HDD standard

PS3 to have HDD in all units, how would this change console game development? Will the presence of a HDD and probably virtual memory in every console open new possibilities for console games? Does the existence of virtual memory affect games positively or negatively in someway?

(contributions at bottom please) Bigger more persistent worlds (like on a PC) is my guess for the benfits of a HDD. Basically PC like games.HappyVR 14:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)