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April 23
May 2
Hi,
My submission was declined on 8 April 2014 by Josve05a because in his opinion the submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability.
In 2005 Robert Schotter won the: Ernst-Schneider-Preis of the Commercial and Industrial Chamber Frankfurt, Germany category technology for the film Aufzüge. The Ernst-Schneider-Preis is one of the finest awards/prizes for journalists for the German-language media market. There is a Wikipedia-page on the Ernst-Schneider-Preis, however in German language only: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst-Schneider-Preis
Please also note that Robert Schotter has an extensive filmography as noted on his German Wipipedia page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Schotter or on his English IMDb profile http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3323585/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2. I will add these information to the page in question as soon as the submission is accepted.
Thanks and regards, Karin Karinsoika (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- I've declined this, again. IMDB is not considered a reliable source. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:35, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Why was the article about MORE-on Productions rejected? There is no article about it on Wikipedia and it is a production company located in Wisconsin. Very little is written about it because the company refuses to buy advertisements on principle. 184.21.184.29 (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Advertisements wouldn't help. To have an article on Wikipedia, it is not enough just to exist. For companies, the criteria that must be met are given at this link. Based on the information given in your draft, there are not independent, reliable sources that other people have written about this company at this time. Note that product sites (such as amazon.com) do not establish notability. You might also want to see Wikipedia:Autobiography. I hope that helps! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
issue
hi, i want to create page in wiki so please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durgeshraj (talk • contribs) 13:03, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Durgeshraj. What is the subject of the article you would like to create? Voceditenore (talk) 15:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I am trying to create an article on a business that I started with my husband that has really taken off. I do not know how to cite it or how to lay it out. The only way to verify is to put links to the webpage, can I do that? This is my first time and I want to make sure I get it right. ThanksNannypoohead (talk) 15:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- If you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies, the best thing is to hold tight and just concentrate on your company. If it really has taken off, a Wikipedia regular will probably write it. It never hurts to wait. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Nannypoohead. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote your business. Please read the inclusion criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) very carefully before even trying to create a draft. The short answer is that if the only coverage of your business is what your website says about it, then it comprehensively fails the notability criteria and trying to create an article about it is a waste of your time and ours. It will not be accepted. I also suggest you read the guidelines at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest before going any further with this. Voceditenore (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Electing to remove an article I've created from AfC
I have recently uploaded an article to AfC (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ayscoghe Boucherett). I have uploaded a similar article (Sir William Earle Welby, 1st Baronet) to the main content space and it has been reviewed successfully; I think that this article would be appropriate as well. He was a Member of Parliament in the UK, so I think he will meet the notability criteria. Is there a way I can opt to put the article straight into the main content area and remove him from AfC? Thanks, Noswall59 (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Wow! This is an excellent article, Noswall59. As you can see, I've moved it into article space at Ayscoghe Boucherett. In future, just go ahead and create your articles directly as you did with Sir William Earle Welby, 1st Baronet. Best wishes, many thanks for your work, and welcome to Wikipedia! Voceditenore (talk) 17:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting back so quickly! Your comments are good to hear. I will check up on those details for Sir William (as per my talk page) and will, in future, put articles straight out onto the main space unless I have significant doubt about it. Thanks again, Noswall59 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- In general terms, our guidelines for political figures suggest anyone who has ever been an MP in the UK should have an article, which can be easily verified by looking at their entries in the Parliamentary Hansard. Like Voceditenore said, you've got the hang of new content, so you're probably safe enough to create new articles directly in mainspace now. Have you considered filing a Did you Know? entry, so your article can be linked for a short time on Wikipedia's front page? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- While I had hoped they would be considered notable, I was aware that these were relatively minor MPs, so I wasn't sure, but thank you for letting me know. I will look into the DYK in the morning - I hadn't considered it before. I will keep working away at some more MPs and hopefully some more articles will follow. You've all been very helpful and all your feedback has been constructive, so thank you very much. Best wishes, Noswall59 (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- In general terms, our guidelines for political figures suggest anyone who has ever been an MP in the UK should have an article, which can be easily verified by looking at their entries in the Parliamentary Hansard. Like Voceditenore said, you've got the hang of new content, so you're probably safe enough to create new articles directly in mainspace now. Have you considered filing a Did you Know? entry, so your article can be linked for a short time on Wikipedia's front page? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting back so quickly! Your comments are good to hear. I will check up on those details for Sir William (as per my talk page) and will, in future, put articles straight out onto the main space unless I have significant doubt about it. Thanks again, Noswall59 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
How do I start a new infobox to add to entry. The tutorial on new inboxes begins 'find the infobox'. I need to start one. ChrisKassel (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, ChrisKassel. "Finding the infobox" means finding the template that matches the type of the article subject. For example, there are templates like
{{infobox book}}
and{{infobox company}}
for books and companies, respectively. There is an entire list, but to save you some time, I believe{{infobox musical artist}}
is the most appropriate for this one. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
May 3
No Guidance?
Hello I resubitted an article on "Troy Ladd" and it says it was not approved and for me to read the "reviewers comments", but they are no where to be found. I have no way to fix my article with no comments to read on how to fix it. Thank you, Hhrfan. Hhrfan (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed Hi Hhrfan, sorry about that, something went wrong with our reviewing script I think. I've given some comments in a new review, which you can see at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Hhrfan/sandbox. You're getting closer but this still needs some work -- less promotional language and at least a few references that reviewers can verify. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 23:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, i posted an article which title was "Kitawat" , has beed rejected . I want to know why was it not approved?
Thanks. Regards : Pskitawat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pskitawat (talk • contribs) 05:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Pskitawat. I have corrected the link to your draft. The reviewer has left comments there explaining why it could not be accepted. Please read the comments in the grey box inside the pink box at the top of the draft and the comment following the symbol . After you have read them, feel free to ask for clarification here if you still find them unclear. Voceditenore (talk) 07:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of User:Dmcanupama/sandbox
Dear Sir/Madam, I am extremely surprised that Dr Sitangshu Bikash Barua has been rejected for several times. I have looked through "Buddhism in Bangladesh". A lot of people's name are included who have very little contribution in buddhist community in Bangladesh or overall contribution in academic. Moreover in buddhanet Buddhism in Bangladesh whole article has been copied from his pamplet. I would be grateful if you are kind enough to reconsider Dr Sitangshu Bikash Barua. I look forward to your reply. Kind regards. Dr Anupama Barua — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmcanupama (talk • contribs) 17:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello
Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/L.J. Sealey
Please can you tell me if i submitted this page ok after i edited it and re submitted again after you declined it? I was not told that it had been submitted ok when i pressed 'save page' so i don't know if it is actually being looked at or not
Thank you
Lisa LisaC38 (talk) 20:19, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
- No, you didn't resubmit it. You deleted the feedback tag which included the "Resubmit" button; I've added it back in for you. When you are ready to resubmit, just use that button. The feedback stays there to help you & future reviewers, but will be removed if/when the draft is accepted for publication. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- I see that you deleted the feedback again. Perhaps you missed what I said above: "The feedback stays there to help you & future reviewers, but will be removed if/when the draft is accepted for publication". I have reinserted it. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Respected Sir/Madam
I on behalf of our educational organization, had created and submitted a new article named "Supreme Knowledge Foundation Group of Institutions" dated on 2nd April,2014.But it is still unpublished. Is there anything wrong with it? or if not then please tell me the expected publishing time so that I can make out that I am in my right way.
Thanking You, Yours Sincerely, Amitava Halder Assistant Professor(Supreme Knowledge Foundation Group of Institutions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitava.halder2008 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- Good morning Assistant Professor Halder (Supreme). This notice is informing you that I have declined that submission for the reasons specified therein. Please review and do the needful. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
How can I edit a submission when my username has been blocked?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Robb_Moser
184.52.106.69 (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- What is your username and what is the reason why it was blocked? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- One might guess at Moserministries, who was blocked for an invalid user name & invited to apply for a change in user name but has apparently not done so. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note. I have just removed the draft's text as a copyright infringement. It was a verbatim copy of his biography at http://sites.google.com/site/moserministries and also appears at http://www.amazon.com/Robb-Moser/e/B00G8ETZ44 and numerous other locations. Voceditenore (talk) 14:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- Further, the article Robb Moser has been deleted 8 times and Moser & Co. 4 times. In addition to the copyright infringement, not one of the "references" in the latest draft was valid. In my view these titles should be salted. At least four editors related to the subject and/or the subject himself ([1], [2], [3], [4]) have been wasting editors' and administrators' time with their attempts at promotion since 2007. Voceditenore (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Robb Moser (2) created by Moserrobertdjr and an exact copy of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Robb Moser. I have removed the copyvio from this one as well. Note that these 2 Afc drafts have now been declined a combined total of six times. Voceditenore (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Is there a way to get a new page out there once accepted.--Notsniwllewdrib (talk) 02:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Notsniwllewdrib. When a page is accepted, the reviewer will move it into article space. However, I'm afraid there is virtually no chance of this being accepted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business directory. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) provides guidance on the inclusion criteria for companies. If the only coverage of the business is what its website and that of its marketing partner say about it or its listing in business directories, then it will comprehensively fail the criteria. Voceditenore (talk) 07:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Voceditenore. I would like to know if their is a neutrality violation or a hint of advertisement in the statement "PhoenixMart is a partner" instead of actuality "OLS is a preferred vender"(I'm the Presidents son)--Notsniwllewdrib (talk) 04:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
To, Demiurge1000
Respected Sir, The article is declined on 4th May 2014, I will be very glad if you highlight/mention few sentences in the declined article so that I can find out my mistakes as I am a new editor to Wikipedia. I, therefore, feel that you will be kind enough to help me so that I can update the article "Supreme Knowledge Foundation Group of Institutions" as per Wikipedia content policy.
Thanking you, I remain, Yours faithfully, Amitava Halder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitava.halder2008 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Amitava.halder2008. This whole draft is so blatantly promotional that it needs a complete rewrite. The fact that you cannot see this suggests that you are affiliated in some way with the institution, even if you hadn't said so above. It demonstrates why editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. If you do decide to re-write:
- Do not use "we" and "our". You are writing an encyclopedia article in Wikipedia's voice, not an advertising brochure in the subject's voice.
- Do not include "Mission" and "Vision" statements
- Do not paste material from the official website of the institution. It is a copyright infringement. I have removed several chunks from your draft for that reason.
- Do not use evaluative adjectives: "unique", "well-developed", "highly qualified & dedicated", "innovative", etc. etc.
- Read Wikipedia:College and university article guidelines carefully and follow them scrupulously
- Finally, your current draft does not have a single reference to a completely independent published source. Such sources are required. Read Wikipedia:Verifiability carefully—all of it. Unless your draft adheres to that, it will never be accepted.
- Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
My article has twice been rejected because the reviewer says it is a blank submission, though in fact I have provided text. The reviewer mentions that I should make sure that any extra text above the entry is removed, as it may be causing it to hide and not be shown to the reviewer. I have done this, but it still is rejected. After I save the draft, I am directed to two subsequent pages; the first instructs you to not change anything--just save the entry, and the second requires a captcha to be completed, and both pages have text boxes. Am I supposed to be pasting my article submission into all three boxes, instead of just the original text box as I've done? ThanksMshs (talk) 18:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Mshs. Sorry if the messages are a bit confusing. I've tried removing some leftover messages that are no longer relevant. I think the best thing to do now is start from the beginning:
- At the top (towards the right), find the tabs labeled "Read", "Edit", and "View history".
- Click "Edit".
- A large text box should appear. Add your text into that box, below any existing text.
- Save your changes by clicking the "Save page" button below the text box.
- Make any additional changes by repeating the steps above.
- After you have done all that, click "Resubmit" in one of the decline notices.
- Follow the instructions by saving the page. This will submit your article for review.
Who can help me adding a submission
Hello,
I tried in different styles to make an article about a new technical service called Trailermatics. This is a mix of trailer and telematics. So far, it did not pass Wikipedia, so who can help me to rewrite the text to get this unique brandname into Wikipedia?
Thanks
Abkuijerfrance (talk) 19:41, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Abkuijerfrance: Not done We're not interested in getting
"this unique brandname into Wikipedia."
We're here to write an encyclopedia and you're evidently not. By the way, your entry has no claim to notability and no references, so there's no way it could be accepted. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Corynopuntia
You mention that the page Corynopuntia already exists.
It actually doesn't exist.
Presently it's a copy of the page Opuntia, or a link redirecting to that page.
Am I wrong?
Seedlens (talk) 20:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Seedlens. Corynopuntia is simply a redirect to Opuntia, a genus in which Corynopuntia is sometimes included (according to the Opuntia article). The redirect was created in 2005 and has never had any actual content. There should be no problem in moving the page over the redirect, although it may require an admistrator. I've left a note on your draft to that effect for the eventual reviewer. If you haven't already done so, I suggest getting in touch with WikiProject Plants. The editors there may have some useful input for you and/or even be able to review and move the draft into article space. This isn't a subject area in which I have any experience, but it seems to be a well-written, well-referenced article on a suitable subject. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks.Seedlens (talk) 00:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Do I need more sources?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicloversb17 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Musicloversb17: Yes, you do. You need reliable sources in order to prove notability. At this point, your subject doesn't appear to be notable. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
May 6
Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Directorate of Cooperation of Security and Defence (DCSD)
Hi everyone, I'm new in the wiki community and i just finish to write an article about French DCSD (translated from french wiki page). You can access to it here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Directorate_of_Cooperation_of_Security_and_Defence_%28DCSD%29
However, as it isn't the same way of creating as french page, i'm a bit lost and I don't know how to get this page reviewed and on line.
Your advices are welcome, thanks in advance,
Mel --MelDCSD (talk) 07:42, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- @MelDCSD: You have two different submissions, one in Wikipedia space and one at Wikipedia talk. The one at Wikipedia talk has some coding issues. Which one are we going with? Can we delete the other to avoid confusion? Chris Troutman (talk) 15:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for your proposition, I didn't realize there was two distinct pages. I've deleted the one in wikipedia Talk, I think the other is better and could be the final work. What do you tkink about the next move I have to do ?--MelDCSD (talk) 16:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia -
I submitted an article on the writer, Thaddeus Rutkowski about a month ago (April 8, it was my 3rd draft). Is there a way to find out the status of my request? Any help would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Randi HoffmanRandihoffman (talk) 13:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Randi. When you go to the submission page, there should be a notice that says "Review waiting"; that means it is still submitted and not declined.
- You can continue to improve it at this time. I've improved the formatting of it a bit, but I'd recommend that you go through the editing tutorial to learn a bit more. (I did my best with the "Works" section; I'm not sure if you want to reorganize it.) Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 01:45, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Jeff Schneider
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jeff Schneider I just received a rejection for 'articles for creation'. see Comment: Great swathes of unverifiable and potentially changeable content. Hasteur (talk) 02:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC) and I am confused about what to do next? potentially changeable ? The artist's references seem to be in order and many of his sources are difficult to find, yes a tribute to the era before there was an "online". Also, "dead links" or pay for access to some of the artists recent reviews would help "verify" his credentials. I will click on "Referencing for beginners and Citing sources" but any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank You. (Jeff Schneider (talk) 13:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC))
Dear help desk representative, In this new article I have translated to English the following Hebrew Wikipedia page: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%97%D7%A7_%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%A7%D7%91_%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9F The article concerns the biography of a notable Israeli journalist and author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dovi.yellin (talk • contribs) 16:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC) I would like to reference the same images that were already uploaded to the Hebrew version of the page. Would this be possible? Many thanks, Dovi Yellin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dovi.yellin (talk • contribs) 16:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Dovi.yellin: The images you want to use have been uploaded to Hebrew Wikipedia, not the Commons, so they can't be displayed here by linking to them. You could upload them here or the commons in order to use them. As for your submission, you have a general lack of sources and I'm not sure the subject is notable. Also, if you are related to the subject you are warned to be careful in order not to compromise neutrality. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm wondering why my article was rejected. I wrote about a group of people called, The Mru, who live in the border with India, Bangladesh and Burma. I know that there's already an article on that group, with the name, Mro People, on wikipedia but the information in that article is minimal and the word, "Mru" is more commonly used these days. Moreover, since this is a a group of people that is very isolated, there aren't much sources on that. I used three credible sources to write my article and I don't find any reasons for it to be declined.
Pcms413 (talk) 19:40, 6 May 2014 (UTC)pcms413
- What do you think about the idea of adding your content to the existing article, and then getting the existing article renamed to The Mru, if that's better? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
I created a new article three weeks ago. Still no update on whether or not it has been approved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jarekus_Singleton
His new release just came out today and we'd like for there to be a page for people to actually investigate him. Please let me know if there's anything that can be done to expedite this.
Thanks
Josh Lindner (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- This is an encyclopedia not a music magazine, so we unpaid volunteers don't schedule our work around what commercial products are being released this week or month.
- Based on a little reading, I have accepted this submission with some serious problems noted on the page, so it's up to you to fix those problems before anyone decides to do anything about them.
- In particular, a couple of the URLs you give as references simply lead to the home page of the publication concerned, which in turn do not mention Singleton at all. This is wrong because it's misleading. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
May 7
Review of User:Grand'mere Eugene/Jacob Nist
1. This is a substantially revised version based on a previously deleted article. But the original Wikipedia article has been replicated on other websites—how to avoid plagiarism charge? 2. Some factual material was in original article, without citations. 3. Are citations of census data considered “original research”? 4. There were 4 photos in the original article—I don’t own the copyright, and don’t know who originally posted them. I do have jpg versions of the two portraits and the Holyrood family home. Can they still be used? Nist’s tombstone photo is still on Wikimedia Commons, but I didn’t have time to figure out how to include it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jacob_Nist%27s_Tombstone.jpg
Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 04:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Grand'mere Eugene
- Hi Grand'mere Eugene. The replication on other websites will normally say that Wikipedia was the source. I found one which does: http://www.mauspfeil.net/Jacob_Nist.html. That should take care of plagiarism charges. On the whole census data are considered primary sources and need to be used with caution, but may be OK for referencing basic facts, especially if the person is no longer living. Wikipedia:WPNOTRS has more on this. As for the images, if you didn't take them, they can't be uploaded to Commons. However, provided you supply the original source, his portrait could be uploaded to Wikipedia under Fair use (historic image of a long-deceased person). Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria has more on this. In my view, the speedy deletion in 2008 was inappropriate, as the article had survived AfD [5]. If nothing else, a new AfD should have been started. In any case, I have moved your draft into article space at Jacob Nist, where you can continue to work on it. The new version is much more encyclopedic with adequate (if not perfect) referencing. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm an experienced editor who answered a new editor's question at the Help Desk. I also left a welcome message on their talk page. About a month later, they asked a question on their talk page about their AFC submission. Since it was on my watchlist, I saw the question and responded that I'd check out the article and possibly review it. I've since added my name to the reviewers list and reviewed the article (declined it to be specific). But when the script ran, the decline notice was left on my own talk page and not that of the creator of the AFC submission. Since I'm new to this, could someone explain to me what triggered the script to tell me that the article was declined and not the original editor?
Also, I left a lengthy comment on how to improve the article but it only shows up in the edit window. What did I do wrong when reviewing it that made the comment not visible on the article itself?
Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 08:01, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Dismas. I fixed your comment so it shows now. I think the problem was the "|" in your custom signature. In future, sign your comment after the last }} of the template. As for the other problem, hopefully someone else can explain that. I never use the script myself. I find it fiddly, buggy, and inflexible, which means I can't decline draft submissions. But if I accept one, I simply move it manually to article space and write a personalised note to the creator. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I figured it had something to do with my sig but didn't know what and since this was my first, I wasn't sure how the syntax needed to change for it to be right. Dismas|(talk) 09:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
AFCH error in each user page
I don't know but I'm getting an error on each user page about AFCH. Here is the image link for the screen shot. Please tell me how to disable it. It asks to add my name in the participants list and I don't have 500 article edits. What can be done.--Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 11:01, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Go to your Preferences, choose the Gadgets tab and uncheck the box marked "Yet another AFC Helper Script". That should fix it. Yunshui 雲水 12:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:The National Animal Rights Day
Greetings,
I would like to ask for help with creating a Wikipedia article for our organization. The National Animal Rights Day is on May, 31, and it would be great to let people see the information about the NARD on Wikipedia.
Andrew Romanov, Founder @ The Animal Care Society International, Member @ Our Planet. Theirs Too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poxorufis (talk • contribs) 13:37, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I am trying to document the Terradise Nature Center, Caledonia, Ohio origins but so far have been rejected for submission. I don't understand why and would like help in getting an article into Wikipedia.
Thanks
David Haldeman haldemandavid@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djhaldeman (talk • contribs) 13:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello David. I had a look at the version you submitted. It didn't make clear what the article was about and appeared to be about the word "terradise" itself. I have re-written it with improved references, which will give it a better chance of being accepted. It may be that it still wouldn't pass the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. I'll be taking some advice on that, but if it isn't likely to pass, the material can certainly be included in the article Caledonia, Ohio. Two words of caution, though.
- Your text was a verbatim paste from http://terradise.org/history/ which was clearly marked: Copyright © 2013 Terradise. Don't be tempted to paste any further material from there or any other website. It is a copyright infringement, and will be removed immediately. In addition, such text is often unencyclopedic and/or promotional in tone and therefore unusable here—even if it weren't an infringement.
- If you have any affiliation whatsoever to terradise.org, you need to read our conflict of interest guidelines and follow them scrupulously. And, the article should not be used to promote or even mention companies such as Terradise Design or Terradise Computer Systems which are owned by the descendants of Trella Hemmerly Haldeman Romine, who donated the land for the nature preserve.
- Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi there,
we are stuck, are article got denied twice now. We are using Wikipedia links as references already (it's a suggestion). Can you please provide a very clear feedback why our article got denied. Which links should be replaced / are not trustworthy?
We are working on this article for 5 months now without any success or concrete feedback what we are doing wrong.
The first feedback was: "This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner."
We than corrected according to the mentioned points. But now it got denied because of:
"This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject."
-> We did Wikipedia referencing. Also we added sources that are entirely independet. Please tell us which links are not ok and what to change. We checked a lot of other CEO Wikipages to get where we are today, yet still it's refused...
-> Evidence of being Chairman of some of the biggest organizations in Switzerland and in the invitation list to the Global leaders organization. What else does one have to be to be notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infocentric (talk • contribs) 14:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Please help..
Kind regards infocentric Infocentric (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I am trying to cite my information with references that I have already listed, but its not working for me. Is there a special trick?
Thank you.
BoxingfanaticBoxsportsfacts (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- You have listed your references but it's not clear what you have tried because I don't see where you actually saved the article with any of your attempts. At the very least, try this: Edit your article again and after each sentence or paragraph, put the URL of the source in between two ref tags like this <ref>URL goes here with no other text</ref> Don't worry if they don't look "pretty" or anything. As long as the URLs are there, making the reference pretty and standardized is a minor thing. Dismas|(talk) 20:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jeff Schneider After a recent rejection for an article for creation. One comment made by the reviewer that the sources were "potentially changeable" is confusing, yet the references seem to be in ok. Earlier problems stemmed from formatting which doesn't seemed to be an issue now. Is there a way to get around the "dead links" or "pay for access" primarily in reference to newspaper reviews? I will click on "Referencing for beginners and Citing sources" but all available links seem to be in order. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank You.(Jeff Schneider (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2014 (UTC))
My recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed
Dear Sir or Madam,
Thank you for your time in responding to my submission I have recently submitted an article to the wikipedia and received a message saying that I have used a copyrighted information. Can I still use this copyrighted information if I have a permission from the owner (author) to use these information? I am a final year university student and all this is a part of my studies.
Thank you.
Here's a link to the article I previously submitted:
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Senay575
OR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Senay575
I look forward to hearing from you
Senay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senay575 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think you are talking about User:Senay575/sandbox. The message at User talk:Senay575 gives you a link to information about copyright violations, and that explains what the process is for the owner of the copyright to donate coprighted material. You need to bear in mind, however, that material already published elsewhere might not be written in the neutral point of view which Wikipedia requires, so you are usually better off writing the material in your own words, and giving the original source as a reference. Good luck with your studies. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- I now see that your user page User:Senay575 is a straight copy of material from http://www.liverpoolymca.org.uk/about-us/ and subsidiary pages. Wikipedia treats its legal requirement regarding copyright very seriously, so I have had to tag the page for speedy deletion. Before you start to prepare a draft of a first article, please read the links about copyright carefully, and also some other useful links which I've put on your user talk page, including WP:Your first article. If you try to recreate a user page (as distinct from a sandbox draft of an article), it should be for the purposes described at WP:user pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of User:Turnado3000/sandbox
Please check my new topics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Turnado3000/sandbox and tell your comments Turnado3000 (talk) 16:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:The Nuclear Beauty Parlor
Review of Draft:The Nuclear Beauty Parlor Hello. I edited this several times after it was initially declined. Checking to make certain it is properly coded for review - article for creation. Thx Voice of Vicki (talk) 17:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- To editor Voice of Vicki:
- Properly submitted. Thank you for your contributions.Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Boat livery
I was asked by the reviewer to" Run a copyedit for style and linking". What does that mean? Chimp1cards (talk) 17:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: the submission was accepted (by another user) and is now located at Boat livery. NorthAmerica1000 14:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Martone Cycling Company I was wondering why my article was declined/deleted, and if there is anything I can do to the article to get it accepted. Thanks! NickMartone (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Nick. As the notice at the top of the article says, it was declined because it seems like an advertisement. The specific characteristics (color, chain, basket, etc.) should be taken out unless they have been talked about by independent, reliable sources of information (newspapers, magazines, or other publications). You talk about "notable" characteristics; notability on Wikipedia means just that: discussion in independent reliable sources, so if they really are notable, cite some sources that mention them specifically. You should also check if the company itself is notable (as an organization). Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
WHY CAN'T I WRITE THE BIO OF MY BOSS WITH PLENTY OF BIBLIOGRAPHIES IN SPANISH, I HAVE DONE THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND YOU KEEP DELETING IT, THE NAME IS CAUPOLICAN OVALLES SEQUERA, HIS FATHER IS ON WIKIPEDIA AS CAUPOLICAN OVALLES — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verherlop (talk • contribs) 20:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Verherlop. Do you also have an account at Caveprol? That is where I found a draft by that name. If you want to use a new account, that is fine, but make sure not to use both unless you have a legitimate purpose.
- Based on messages for that other account, one of the articles was deleted because it did not cite reliable sources of information. Wikipedia cannot accept personal knowledge, because other people cannot verify it (check that it is accurate). This is especially important when the article includes information about living people. The other one was deleted because it was not changed in six months.
- If you want both of these back so you can work on them, you can make a request for undeletion. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I am curious as to why my page for JackSepticEye, a relatively famous YouTuber was taken down. I understand it some information that constantly changes in the pages, but I was going to edit that. I feel if someone was just curios as to who he was, because he's getting talked about quite a bit now, they should be able to read a brief wiki page. All my sources were cited, even though I only had one source, and that was the man himself, but I did link his YouTube page because that's the only place I heard the information. AlmostNeity (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- To editor AlmostNeity: If you got it from "the man himself," that's a problem. Sources must be published, that is, made public in some way. This makes sure that content can be verified, that is, checked for accuracy. If he really is "getting talked about quite a bit now," there should be something published about him. It could be a newspaper or magazine article, or a segment on a reputable television/radio/online media show. If there are, cite them. This takes care of verifiability as well as notability, both of which are required on Wikipedia. If not, then it may just be too soon for him to have an article. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
May 8
Hello, I'm still trying to figure this out. I believe I did everything right on this profile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jona_Xiao
But I keep getting not enough references, when I've seen other profiles with less. So I'm not sure what is wrong.
Thanks, 108.185.215.173 (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I am trying to create an article for upcoming Indian film 'My Son is Gay'. However, when I entered the subject name in the article wizard, I got the following error:
Please guide me. Thank you.
IndianGlamor (talk) 07:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello IndianGlamor. For the moment, try creating it at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/My Son is Gay (Indian film). It should work. Having said that, it is highly inadvisable to create articles for "upcoming" films unless they have already received extensive coverage in reliable published sources which are completely independent of the film's producers, etc. Wait until the film has been released, and you should have plenty of independent coverage if the film is notable. Voceditenore (talk) 07:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Diabetes Mellitus Type 3
Hello,
I was wondering why my article Diabetes Mellitus Type 3 was declined. Diabetes Mellitus Type 3 has not been mentioned under the Diabetes Mellitus wiki page. Additionally, Diabetes Mellitus Type 1 and Diabetes Mellitus Type 2 have their individual wiki pages. Please advise.
Zjsyed (talk) 07:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Zjsyed. I'm not sure why the reviewer declined it for that reason. This is a separate topic from the generalised Diabetes mellitus article. Diabetes mellitus type 1 and Diabetes mellitus type 2 exist as separate articles, thus there is no reason to decline the article solely on the grounds that Diabetes mellitus already exists. (I've left a note to that effect on the draft.) However, I strongly suggest you ask for advice on your draft from the editors at WikiProject Medicine before submitting again. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Roberto Lione
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Roberto Lione
Geachte mijnheer, mevrouw,
Ik ben al een tijd bezig om een Wiki te maken over Roberto Lione.
Mijn laatste bewerking is afgewezen door dhr. Joe Decker om onderstaande reden: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified.
De gegevens die ik heb vermeld zijn echter afkomstig van dhr Lione zelf. Aangezien de man al 73 jaar is, is het voor hem niet eenvoudig meer om zelf een Wiki aan te maken, vandaar dat ik het voor hem doe. Maar hoe moet ik nu aantonen dat de gegevens wel betrouwbaar zijn?
Graag uw advies en vriendelijke groet,
Fred Keizer Reziekderf (talk) 08:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Fred, please try to write in English if you plan to use this help desk. Note to other editors, this roughly translates to:
Hi, I am a new user to wikipedia and one of my articles, see above, was declined when created. It's about an important local firm. Could you please 1. let me know where to find feedback! and 2. give tips on how to improve the article?
Thank you Naz.Mak325 (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Naz.Mak325. You can find feedback, including why your article was declined, at the top of the submission. To improve your article, understand that Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. I think it's a rather harsh wording, but it's true. Wikipedia's standard of "importance" is notability, which means how much it has been talked about by other people. To show notability, add references to other sources of information (such as newspaper or magazine articles, or television or radio programs) that talk about this organization. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 07:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- To editor Naz.Mak325: There are also concerns about the logo you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. More information is on your Commons talk page. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 07:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Victoria Jane Bell (Ski Racer)
Hi I don't understand what is wrong with the draft that is causing it not to be submitted. Can you please advise Alpineracing (talk) 08:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's unclear why the submission request was not working on your end. I have submitted the entry for you. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. NorthAmerica1000 08:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:International Test Commission
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/International Test Commission
Hello,
I see that my proposed entry on the International Test Commission was rejected for "lack of verifiable sources". I would appreciate a little bit more insight into this: all the text can be verified based on the sources included in the reference list, and the reference list only contains scientific papers with full citation - they can be downloaded and verified at any point in time. I assume that I did something wrong here, but cannot see what. I would appreciate help on this topic: what do you consider more verifiable than I already have included?
Best,
Dragos Iliescu Dragos.iliescu (talk) 09:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Dragos. I have now left detailed comments on the draft itself concerning the referencing problem and the draft's inappropriate and quite blatantly promotional tone. Please read them. On the draft it states that Dragos Iliescu is a coordinator of the ITC survey. The fact that you cannot see the problems yourself demonstrates why editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. The draft needs to be extensively rewritten with complete cuts of material which is not suitable here, including but not limited to detailed information of interest only to its members or potential members. It needs to be a short, factual, neutrally worded (devoid of evaluative adjectives) encyclopedia article—not an alternative website for the ITC. Voceditenore (talk) 08:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Greetings!
I've just been informed that my entry for the fictional character of Tinker Tooth was decline. However, there's no explanation to which the reason is nor what to do in order to get the entry accept it.
Any guidance or help in helping me with this issue would be greatly appreciated.
With Best Regards, David M. Dmg888 (talk) 11:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Dmg888, the reason is given in the grey box right at the top of Draft:Tinker Tooth. If you have questions about what any of that means, please come back here and ask them and we'll be happy to answer them. Dismas|(talk) 11:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
I would like to discuss the rejection of my article due to non-notability by Arthur goes shopping. I contacted him about the article on his talk page, however, he must be busy, since I have not yet heard back. It would be great to communicate with a reviewer about this further, since I do believe the organisation my article addresses is worthy of a Wiki article. I paste the message I sent to Arthur goes shopping below:
message to Arthur goes shopping
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Hi Arthur, You reviewed and rejected this article I submitted last August. Apologies for bringing this up so long after the article submission. The 3D world got in the way for awhile, however I am now working on the article again. If this is an inappropriate place in which to discuss this article, I am happy for you to move my discussion, or let me know where and with whom I should take up this issue. I would like to submit to you a list of reasons why this article should be accepted for publication:
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I really would like to see my article published, so any suggestions you may have in order to achieve this goal (beyond citing newspaper articles that do not yet exist) will be appreciated.
Many thanks for discussing this article with me. Wander Woman (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC) Wander Woman (talk) 13:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Wander Woman: First, Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. Secondly, pointing to other articles isn't a valid rationale. If you don't think those articles meet criteria, nominate them for deletion. Your submission lists a bunch of websites where it's been mentioned but has no reliable sources. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Wander Woman. I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Those official guidelines will tell you quite clearly what any article on an organization requires here. You will also find Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations helpful. Voceditenore (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Criticisms noted. Clearly I have some reading and editing to do. Do Hertfordshire Life and Dog World qualify as reliable secondary sources? The Charity Commission, I suppose, is a primary source, so does not qualify. I really do not wish to nominate any articles for deletion at this time, since I think it's a bit adversarial to pick on a dog charity, whether I think their references are robust or not. Definitely not my style. Thanks for your prompt answers. Wander Woman (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Radcliffe School
Hi. Thank you for reviewing my article in such a short time. I was wondering why it was rejected though. I would appreciate it if you could tell me why so that I can improve it. Thank you
Able001Able001 (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Able001. The reviewer has left comments as to why it was declined on your draft. Please read them and if you have further questions, come back here. Also, I strongly suggest that you read Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines thoroughly and improve your draft accordingly before submitting it again. Voceditenore (talk) 07:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of User:Vineetshah15/sandbox
The article can be verified from the article published by MID Day or via http://archive.mid-day.com/news/2012/may/310512-mumbai-What-a-drive.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vineetshah15 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Vineetshah15. Unfortunately, I have requested that this draft be speedily deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement. It is a verbatim copy of http://archive.mid-day.com/news/2012/may/310512-mumbai-What-a-drive.htm. I have left more detail on on your talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 07:11, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Barnstars
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Draft Barnstars I'd like to know when this will be published and will you give me a barnstar? KBSully (talk) 20:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- @KBSully: Declined No. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Rodayomar
my story may have a few typos and grammar issues i understand. there were no specifics to where i can proceed next. please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodayomar (talk • contribs) 20:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Rodayomar: First, Wikipedia is not here for you to advertise. Writing an autobiography is a bad idea. Secondly, your submission has only two references. One is your website and the other is a book that cites Neville Island flooding in the '70s. Therefore, you have no references and therefore no notability. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of Draft:Jerry Balmuth
How do I insert a photograph within a biography? mbalmuthMbalmuth (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Mbalmuth. This is not a draft. You had created it directly in article space as Jerry Balmuth. This help desk is only for editors enquiring about their submissions to the Articles for Creation process. For general help questions like yours, I suggest you go the Wikipedia Teahouse, "a friendly place to help new editors become accustomed to Wikipedia culture, ask questions, and develop community relationships". Voceditenore (talk) 07:00, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! This piece for author Daniel James Brown is the first new article I've created. (I've done some editing.) I think it's in good enough shape to post now. Is it possible to get it posted now or must I wait for review? Granitedesk (talk) 03:55, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Granitedesk: Declined Submission fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:GNG, and WP:ANYBIO. The root of the problem is that you've listed various websites including publishers and booksellers but none of those is independent (eg, they have a commercial interest in hyping the author and his books). None of those is considered to be a reliable source. Without the sourcing, the notability case can't be made. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
i had created an article on hsee but it has been rejected saying it contains copy righted information but i assure you that the article was my own and no such information has been copied
05:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.66.189 (talk)
- Hello, 117.216.66.189. It appears the draft was submitted by User talk:Arun Raj K M. Is that you? I haven't seen the now deleted draft, but it was deleted on the basis that it was copied or too closely paraphrased from this source. A lot of people make the mistake of taking text from a source and then changing one or two words or leaving out some of the text, thinking that this makes it original material. This may have been the case here. I suggest you prepare for rewriting your draft by reading Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Also, as this exam is used only by the Indian Institute of Technology Madras, it may be better to add a section briefly describing it to the IIT Madras article, rather than creating a stand-alone article. Voceditenore (talk) 06:50, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Review of User:Teresa Pastor/sandbox/
Hello,
I recently tried to create an article called "Fedenatur" Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/FEDENATUR but the submission was not accepted because it may have copyrighted content. Can you tell me which content exactely is copyrighted in my submission? Thanks for your help.
Teresa Pastor (talk) 09:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Teresa Pastor: A few sentences like
"FEDENATUR was created in 1997 following the 2nd Symposium on natural areas in metropolitan and periurban zones"
and"It therefore appeared necessary to establish a network of exchanges between Periurban site managers on a European scale"
are copied from fedenatur.org. That second sentence looks like it was lifted from this 2008 book, unless they stole it from Fedenatur. I find that an odd question coming from the Technical Secretariat and Projects Coordinator of Fedenatur. Fedenatur could donate its copyrighted material if that's an avenue you want to pursue. You appear to have a conflict of interest so you should not pursue writing this article. What you could do is offer a reward at the reward board for an un-involved editor to write this for you. Chris Troutman (talk) 09:45, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Interested to know the reasons for rejection of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RVELovelace (talk • contribs) 15:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi RVELovelace, you need to look again, it was accepted, not rejected - congratulations! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I am confused as to what I should modify. An article I am working on Articles_for_creation/The_Bouqs_Company was rejected stating "..should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." but I have provided numerous articles from very reputable sources including Crunchbase, Hollywoodreporter, LA Business Journal, Reuters, and The Wall Street Journal. How can I possibly have more reputable sources than these?
David Condrey (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
How to Remove " redirected from...."
Frank_A._DeMarco AFC feedback was resolved, and this page was moved to mainspace where it has been reviewed and approved, while reviewer from AFC was on a "wikibreak". We do not know how to remove "(Redirected from Wikipedia:Frank A. DeMarco)", which resulted from prior moving to wrong area by mistake. Thank you for your help.Ammiamm (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC)