Talk:Swansong (album)

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Death 'n' Roll?

Source please.JackorKnave (talk) 03:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The correct genre for this album IS death 'n' roll. They went from goregrind (Reek of Putrefaction), to death metal (Symphonies of Sickness), to melodic death metal (Heartwork), and finally to death 'n' roll (Swansong). --Vithon (talk) 01:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

It has been proposed in this section that Swansong (album) be renamed and moved to Swansong.

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Swansong (Carcass album) → Swansong – There is only one "Swansong" on Wikipedia, this album. There exist no other articles about "Swansong". There are plenty of "Swan Song" articles, but all of those have a space in the name. If a user inadvertently searches for "Swansong" when meaning "Swan Song", there is a hatnote on the album's article pointing users where to go. Per WP:DAB, "Swansong" is a unique article title, with no other possible "Swansong"s competing for article title space. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - while this has been at Swansong since 2003, nevertheless a quick search "his swansong" in Google Books shows that no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (matching either or both the 2 criteria for Primary Topic) exists, and this should go to Swan song (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 01:29, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, have to point out that Per WP:DAB, "Swansong" is a unique article title" ... is the opposite of what the first line of WP:DAB actually says. Sorry. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:06, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Swansong meets all five criteria of WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. The article title is unique, so there is no need to disambiguate it per WP:DISAMBIG. A hatnote will suffice. Wolfinruins (talk) 03:17, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wolfinruins - then should we move Hurricane (Grace Jones album) to Hurricane because we have no article called Hurricane? The first paragraph of WP:DISAMBIG says that we do not and should not disambiguate by titles. Sorry In ictu oculi (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There are several guidelines to consider here. The first is WP:DAB which the nominator mentions and I shall return to. The second is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and as this album is barely notable and there is one other album called "Swansong" mentioned on WP does not apply here. There is WP:SONGDAB (which uses albums as examples) which says if there are two or more albums with the same title albums disambiguate in full, and finally there is WP:COMMONSENSE. This trumps the guidelines above and any other I have not mentioned, providing you have considered them. In this case the question is, If I am looking for an an album called Swan Song by Carcass am I going to find it easily? No. That is because some of you think WP:DAB MUST be applied in all instances, irrespective of the world of the casual reader. Quite frankly disambiguation by punctuation, space(s), capitalization and other stylisation does not work in practice, even though it works just fine in computer programming so blind adherence to this guideline (and it is a guideline, not a compunction in WP!) is not serving WP well at all. --Richhoncho (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment only. There was a discussion regarding this move on my talk page where the nominator said of the present title, "I also think the title you moved to is too specific" Can somebody illuminate me as to what "too specific" means and why it is not a "good idea" in WP? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:24, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Swan song (disambiguation) lists many uses of "swansong", so it should either point there, or redirect to swan song as a variant spelling. Probably point to swan song as the primary topic. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]