Talk:Django Reinhardt

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What is this?

"He only played a few tunes at the end of the for some some reasons, Duke didn't write any special arramgments for him." Seems to need some work. Astrophil 22:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Banjo?

An anonymous editor added a brief addition that Django had played the banjo, so to verify that, I did an internet search to verify that. The information that I found I then added to the article. There was, however, lots of fragmentary and occasionally contradictory information about Django on the internet, so it is probably going to take finding a good book on him before this article can be inproved further. For example, some webpages said that he started on the violin, and others said that he started on the banjo, or banjo-guitar. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 23:58, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

-Django actually started on the violin at a very young age; many people tend to overlook this because Django is mainly known as a guitar player. It's quite common for gypsy boys to pick up the violin. The banjo (6 string banjo guitar) came later around the ages of 9-11. -D 28 Feb 2005

- Actually, he started playing on a banjo guitar, which has the body of a banjo, but the 6 strings and the tuning of a guitar. If you look at the photographs of him, you can easily see the difference. Apparently he switched to a standard guitar around the time he was going professional. - --Christian Plattner 12:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

-in response to mr plattner: django's "professional" career began very early (early teens). Switching to the guitar had very little to do with his career; it was simply a normal thing to do as the instrument was gaining popularity and therefore replacing the banjo guitar. Django's first instrument, nonetheless, was still the violin. -28 July 2005

Pronunciation?

-the correct pronunciation (the way he and his family would've pronounced it) is dj (as in jack) an (as in UNcle) go (can't find an english equivalent but the o should be fairly short and light). In english we say dj (as in jack) an (as in ANgus) go, which is accepted as well. -D November 30, 2005

- Shouldn't Django be pronounced with a hard J (as in the english Jim) rather than a soft french J which is what the phonetic transcription in this article suggests. A D before J in French usually indicates a hard J.

I put that there and I got it from http://wwuh.org/program/music/jazz/nejrc/pron.htm Rogerd 13:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, I don't think you can trust that. I'm not sure the guy has an ear for French (although his jazz is no doubt impeccable). He gives Montreux for example as moan-trooh, whereas it should be a short O at the beginning (ending nasally) and that wonderful french extended schwa at the end, the kind that's best accompanied with a shrug. Mon-trer would be closed in Anglo-American terms. As the French routinely put a D in front of J to make a hard J (as in French imperial Djibouti) I reckon it's hard. Also the A wouldn't be long by French standards, but it will be closer to ah. —preceding unsigned comment by 86.137.92.3 (talk • contribs) 13:53, October 26, 2005

Pronounciation of Django's name: his surname is the real issue. I speak and read French (and English and Dutch)and I would like to make the following point regarding the pronounciation of Django Reinhardt. 'Django' as in 'Jim' sounds pretty close to me. The important thing is 'Reinhardt'; it is not 'Rhine-Heart'! It should be said in French: 'ray-nar', with the 'nar' pronounced as in'car'! He was a French speaking gypsy, not an American. Marcel van Ommen

Django: guitar god?

-This may seem like an odd comment, but reading this article, I fear that a reader unfamiliar with Django would not realize how mind-warpingly insanely skilled the guy was, and how deeply he is revered by uber-serious guitar players. I chuckle to think that I am effectively arguing for a *less* neutral tone in this article ;) Dxco 00:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good point DXCO, someone should mention the numerous international festivals dedicated to the man , and the number of documentaries that exist (one of the recent ones titled "Djangomania" explores the fanaticism of django fans around the world). You can get more info about django festivals here www.djangology.net

This is a very good point. Couldn't some simple metrics about speed and technique be included to give the reader a hint? I was listening to some Django today andwas struck by how could (with only two fingers, after all) play scales at metal-shredder speed.

Dietrich Schultz-Kohn

How did a guy with the name "Kohn" which is very obviously Jewish get into the Luftwaffe? Is this a mistake in the article or was he actually rescued by a Jewish member of the Luftwaffe?

I did a web search and found out that the correct spelling of his name is "Schulz-Köhn" (also sometimes written "Schulz-Koehn" in English). I corrected it in the article. Schulz-Köhn seems like a fascinating charcter... Worthy of his own Wikipedia article, if someone wants to write one. He was indeed a high-ranking officer, but also a Jazz promoter who was instrumental in keeping the jazz scene going and protecting musicians. He helped write an underground jazz fanzine that featured him in full uniform on the cover.

The names "Schulz" and "Köhn" are pretty common in Germany, and not necessarily Jewish (in fact, I'm sure there are more non-Jewish Schulz's and Köhn's than otherwise).

Discography

regarding the discography, i think all the entries should be removed in favor of the two choices as recommended by the django documentation center (http://djangomontreal.com/integ/Integrale.htm): for the die-hard fans: the Django complete set (Integrale) from Fremeaux & Associes and for the non-obsessive: "Rétrospective Django Reinhardt" 18 Nov 2005—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.131.96.102 talk • contribs .

I sincerely admit that I don't know very much about Django Reinhardt and, therefore, I am posting here for another reason than the one above. I found the discography written in reverse order (from the latest to the earliest), so I decided to rearrange it by chronological criterion. Impy4ever 12:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

not needed

(Acker Bilk was another musician whose dexterity seemed unimpaired by finger-damage as was Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath and Jerry Garcia of The Grateful Dead)

this seems like a rather silly 'factoid' that is totally out of place. Why do we need to name 3 non related artists that have had finger damage? 12.20.127.229 21:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's gone. --rogerd 00:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maccaferri guitar

The article makes no mention of the Mario Maccaferri guitars that seemed to be a trademark of Django's playing and can be seen in a lot of his pictures (distinctive D-hole and cutaway body). Does anyone know the history of his use of these instruments? Also, I thought that the Maccaferris were designed to have an internal resonator, but weren't always manufactured with one. Did Django go for this feature or not? Bluewave 10:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See http://www.lutherie.net/bckgrnd.html for this.

Apologies if I get this wikipedia thing wrong, first time I've used it. I believe that Django almost exclusively used the petit bouche (small soundhole, longer scale, 14 frets to body) version that was actually manufactured by Selmer after their association with Mario Maccaferri had ended. The grand bouche (large 'D' shaped soundhole, 12 frets to the body and a shorter scale) was the model with the 'resonator', which many owners removed. Perhaps a reference with a link to the article(s) that already exist? Iain.

Why is "tributes" section removed?

Recently the anonymous user at 206.82.16.35 removed the entire "tributes" section without providing any reason or justifications. Anyone else think it should be restored? -- Planders 21:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Django Reinhardt Video

Mind Blowing

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2649271?refsite=70638&ns=1

Want to see more videos of gypsy jazz Go Here:

http://www.about-django.com/news/videos/videos.php

Luis...

Manouche Festival http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8159317858443006210&q=manouche

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1754035475089548560&q=django

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=626422157&&Mytoken=B755D465-1522-F84C-E043556E33D2821B40982991

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.fullsearch&Mytoken=DCDEF868-61D5-10D3-C3ED136ADB4D392E42030523

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=585831781&&Mytoken=8F7E376B-6C2E-FA6A-986610D4BB04A86842493591

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=614502165&&Mytoken=C1CF76D7-D257-F95B-3A8815703AFAD75942467840

Musicians influenced by Django

Trey Anastasio http://www.hightimes.com/ht/entertainment/content.php?=212&aid=3

BB King http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aaworld/reference/articles/bb_king.html

Black Sabbath

Miles Davis song named "Django" http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=disc&src=art&pid=10491

Django Reinhardt (Sinti) influenced Western Swing music(Bob Wills) etc. which in turn influence the country music of today.

http://www.americanamusicplace.com/album_details.asp?inventoryID=905&cart=true

http://www.mp3.com/django-reinhardt/artists/6280/biography.html

Here is a interview of Willie Nelson where he cites Django Reinhardt as a influence on country music and himself

http://www.neonbridge.com/Articles/2000-2002/Willie%20Nelson.htm

Wes Montgomery

http://www.ariajazz.com/The_Magazine/.../Wes Montgomery-Art.ENGLISH.htm

Jimi Hendrix among others

http://www.fgmrecords.com/gypsy jazz/django_reinhardt.html

Mark Knopler among others

http://www.thebestofwebsite.com/Bands/Categories/Guitar.htm

Joe Pass

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_pg_2/103-4225836-1521422?ie=UTF8&keywords=django&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adjango&page=2

Why was "Compositions" section removed?

On Febuary 10th of 2006 someone removed the "Compositions" section from this Django profile. I spent a lot of time on that , why would someone remove it for no apparent reason? - Jon

I dont know who removed it, sorry about that - Unknown

I think the Compositions section is a critical part of Django Reinhardt, as a musician. The music he wrote is the most important thing about him, besides his magical ability to improvise. Just because the list has 70 songs on it doesn't mean it should have been removed. Can someone concur with me so that I can re-add the section? - Jon

Artists influenced by

I removed the list of artists influenced by Reinhardt, but it has been returned by an anon IP (with a long history of edits, not a fly-by-nighter), so perhaps it's worth a discussion.

I removed the list because it appeared to serve no purpose - an artist of Reinhardt's importance has influenced a huge number of string players; this list could be 100 names long - and more important, has no backup. There's nothing in most of these people's articles (I checked a half-dozen) even mentioning Reinhardt. So a reader has no idea why Chet Atkins is on the list but Doc Watson isn't, to choose an example at semi-random. The section adds no content, it's just name-dropping based on nothing visible.

I would like to remove the section; anybody who thinks an artist really needs to be in this article because Reinhardt's influence was so vital to him/her should have to provide some evidence for it - a quote or something with reference - before returning a name. Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 15:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is important to let people know that even "modern" rockers, etc, are influenced by not just AC/DC, Metallica, Van Halen, but other musicians. Most people think that most musicians are only interested in top 40 or narrowly classified music, I like displaying the fact that Django has a wide influence among musicians. Django is musicians music,

I agree, but then why not write a few paragraphs explaining it, giving references. A list of names, as we have now, is unconvincing: for example, why is Tom Morello on the list? - DavidWBrooks 21:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Modern guitar players are almost ALL influenced by Django and so the list will always be hideously incomplete. Creating a list such as this also doesn't say anything about Django himself. -Jon

Leave it alone.Its fine, just a little trivial knowledge

I've removed it again, since it keeps getting longer but no more relevant, to see if the reactions differ now that it's part of wikiproject-guitars. - DavidWBrooks 20:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you want to mess with something when it is not broken? There are references etc, I dont see why you think who he inspired is irrelevant.It is relevant