Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 June 3
I would like to present deletion review of article as it is prematurely deleted without giving an opportunity to achieve wider scrutiny. Furthermore, the article was corroborated by citation that seems to be of notable character. The confusion may be due to nature of the article that is supporting interdisciplinary approach in medicine (combining alternative and allopathic), and that may have created impression of artificial synthesis that provoked quite a steer, but bottom line is that concept is based on system biology and as such it is using multi platform foundations and as such, in my opinion should be reviewed once again to prevent unfair deletion. I tend to believe in consensus so would be more comfortable to allow other editors to make their views rather then small number involved in the AfD in order to create real consensus about the topic. The article was prematurely deleted by strength of few editors without giving opportunity for wider consensus and since there some personal accusations during AfD feel that some editor may have also been highly charged or even biased, deleting some references, and claiming sock puppetry for valid KEEP comments, thus affecting final judgement of administrator who then did not have choice but to delete article. I feel the whole issue need to be reassessed and give article fair chance to face wider audience for editing and its final destiny. Bogorodica (talk)
- temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review _ DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- Endorse - I believe in consensus provides it goes the way I want it to, is not a valid reason to consider the consensus formed was invalid. --86.2.216.5 (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- It wasn't prematurely deleted, it was deleted after a full discussion. There was nothing unfair. This is how we always do things. In the nomination statement you imply that Wikipedians didn't understand the article, but I don't think editors are as confused as you suggest. I think editors are well aware of interdisciplinary approaches in medicine. I don't think allopathic medicine or alternative medicine have anything to do with proper medical practice. They're fringe pseudoscience of the sort that Wikipedians are well-accustomed to dealing with. The extent to which they actually work as therapies is limited to the placebo effect. Our systems for getting rid of pseudoscience with the minimum amount of fuss are robust and efficient, and I'm pleased to see how well they're working. Endorse.—S Marshall T/C 07:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I lost 70 new citations that are not currently part of the main article page. I was going to gradually add the sections contained therein at the talk page. The editor who requested the deletion has a long standing issues ownership [1] The current version suffers badly in readability [2] as well and QuackGuru misrepresented the deletion proposal. It also stated I was indef blocked, which is not the case. I had done work to the page this year, negating concerns of staledraft, and the copyvio allegation was resolved by changing a few words. Regardless, I put in dozens of hours compiling additional references and they're gone. Also, I did not have a chance to address the comments that were posted because I was blocked and didn't feel I had the chance to address the concerns raised. Thank you for your consideration. DVMt (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - to be fair, you were indefinitely blocked, but that was later reviewed and you were unblocked after a fairly lengthy discussion on your talk page. That's fine (that's the way it should work) but the block wasn't misrepresented. The concerns raised (and the consensus that subsequently developed after Anne Delong's comment about half way through the discussion) related to WP:FAKEARTICLE. You continued to address QuackGuru's claims and comments but didn't really address Anne's which is what other editors then came to agree with. The sandbox was deleted on the basis that it functioned as a WP:FAKEARTICLE which is what the closing admin noted was the consensus that had developed. That didn't actually have anything to do with the nomination which didn't mention that guideline at all. The purpose of DRV is to review closes and deletions more than it is to review nominations for deletion. It seems like a fairly solid consensus and I can't really see any reason why the admin's close shouldn't be endorsed. St★lwart111 03:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- Quackguru certainly had a lot to say during that AfD. It may be possible for a sysop to email you a copy of the deleted page so that your 70 citations are not lost; would that be a satisfactory resolution for you, DVMt?—S Marshall T/C 07:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Can someone please review the deletion of this page as one of it primary contributors I was surprised to see it deletion. In hindsight perhaps the timeline of the companies product could be less detailed and I am prepared to undertake this edit. However the timeline of products is important and this page was a valueable source and widely referenced. I have no connection to the company concerned and 99% percent of the products are out of production so the page was never an advert! A lot of other brands have this kind of page and thinking of other hobbiest type products have detailed pages including product details taking camera as an example. Unfortunately the moderator Mark Arsten is no longer active so can't review the page deletion.Yachty4000 (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- Can't see the article, but given the sparse attendance, I'm fine with a relist (reopening of the discussion) so that Yachty4000 can make his case and perhaps a few others might get involved. Hobit (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- Relist - agree, it seems to have been closed as (effectively) an uncontested PROD. If there is now a good-faith request that the discussion be reopened for further consideration, I can't see any harm in that. The original nominator and one other participant should be notified if that happens, though. St★lwart111 02:52, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- Clearly I am going to say Relist I am prepared once restored to reduce the pages content interms of details on each product and also I am not sure what they are distributors for is relevant. The aim is to provide a timeline of products and company history for the hobbiest interest in the brand. I was a bit surprised by the speed the content was deleted without notifying the main contributors thanks for looking into this. (talk) 9:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)