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Did she make a porn video?

while at University, or am I thinking of someone else? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.194.5.18 (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

To be honest, that wouldn't surprise me. I'm watching her on Balderdash & Piffle as we speak, and she seems like the saucy minx that would make a porn vid at uni. - PeeJay 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was watching Balderdash and Piffle at the same time and thinking exactly the same thing. She apparently "made" a porn-film, rather than starring in it - so she could write a book about the experience: 'Once More With Feeling' at Amazon Dugo 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria made a film about two people's (she and a male friend) attempt at producing a porn film. Early part of the decade. I forget when. 213.162.125.117 (talk) 16:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Think it was called Once more with feeling —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.53.191 (talk) 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pro tour "nickname" ... Teacup

Apparently Victoria has sought out her adoring public to give her a nickname, as it was suggested* she use/choose one during some recent (televised, I think) tournament.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2016395,00.html

The result? After she rejected some punny and sexually-suggestive offerings, she finally settled on "Teacup". Should this be part of the article? Perhaps with the link above?

Poker jargon

Could someone who understands poker translate the poker jargon into something more like plain English? Articles shouldn't use jargon without explaining it. qp10qp 21:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Thepineapplehead 20:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And undone? After only two hands of heads-up play the table saw a flop of 5-3-4. Tahtouh bet out and Coren called. After a 10 on the turn, Tahtouh moved all-in and Coren called instantly. Tahtouh showed 8-6, and Coren had 6-7. Having flopped the straight and avoiding a seven on the river to give Emad a higher straight, she defeated her opponent. Seriously, I have no idea what this means, other than she won (I think) 60.240.207.146 (talk) 11:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a long and labourious read to translate in it into terms anyone can understand - they'd still have to know the basics of poker! Better to just let them learn the riles of No-Limit Texas Hold 'Em if they want to investigate further. 212.46.132.194 (talk) 11:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When was she born ?

Opening line says 1964 but she's listed in 1972 births... Bigfatspider 11:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 18 August 1973 date does look wrong, there is a Birth Registration for a Victoria Elizabeth COREN registered in Hammersmith in Q3 1972 with mother's maiden name KASRIEL which is the name given for her mother in the article. Only one COREN-KASRIEL marriage Alan COREN to Anne D KASRIEL in Q4 1963 in Marylebone. The Times, Wednesday, Aug 23, 1972 has an announcement of her birth on 18th August 1972. --jmb (talk) 10:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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No book about King Lear

I just watched an episode of Only Connect, where Coren stated she enjoyed the unreliability of Wikipedia, citing her own page, where it claimed for a long time she wrote a book about King Lear. She said that she did not write such a book. The claim appears all over the web, I don't know if they all copied Wikipedia, but that seems likely. There is a short article on the Penguin Classics website, penned by a "Victoria Coren" (http://www.penguinclassics.co.uk/enwiki/static/cs/uk/10/minisites/shakespeare/readmore/kinglear.html), but no indication it's the same person even for that.

So please do not re-add this information to the page, unless you have a better source than Coren herself, Only Connect (BBC4), Episode one, Series two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Othellowasaprettycoolguy (talk • contribs) 06:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King Lear added. Cohen is a hoaxer. http://www.penguinclassics.co.uk/enwiki/static/cs/uk/10/minisites/shakespeare/readmore/kinglear.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland Sparkes (talk • contribs) 23:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1) Is there any evidence it's the same Coren? When I first commented I spent a while trying to find some, but couldn't. 2) That's not a book anyway, that's a short article, so if you're going to keep re-adding this junk to the article, at least make it consistent to the source we have, and spam "Lul she rote a thing about King Lear dude" each time.

Coren could well be hoaxing wikipedia, but wikipedia doesn't care about the truth, wikipedia cares about verifiability. So far on the verifiability front, we have Corens own statement on her show Only Connect that anyone could verify, that she has not written a book about Lear, and we have a short article about Lear that was written by someone with the same name, but it has not been verified it's the same person. Othellowasaprettycoolguy (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[b]Amazon[/b]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Books/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AVictoria%20Coren&field-author=Victoria%20Coren&page=1

[b] British Library[/b]

http://entrypoint.bl.uk/Results.aspx?query=victoria+coren&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0&Web=True&OG=True&ILS=True&BLD=True

[b]Google books[/b]

http://books.google.com/books?as_q=&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES&lr=&as_vt=&as_auth=victoria+coren&as_pub=&as_sub=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_isbn=&as_issn=

[b]ELAN - Essex Libraries Automated Network[/b]

http://essexlibraries.essexcc.gov.uk/evs-app/List.csp?SearchT1=victoria+coren&Index1=Keywords&Database=1&PublicationType=NoPreference&OpacLanguage=eng&NumberToRetrieve=20&SearchMethod=Find_1&SearchTerm1=&Profile=Default&PreviousList=Start&PageType=Start&EncodedRequest=*16*A0*09*90z*03*D7f*16*A7X*7Cs*F3c*FD&WebPageNr=1&WebAction=NewSearch&StartValue=1&RowRepeat=0&MyChannelCount=&CSPCHD=00100003000235gubLX7002211745123

[b]Copac National, Academic, and Specialist Library Catalogue[/b]

http://copac.ac.uk/wzgw?form=qs&id=090721497ec7b9d22c055c86212760f5c2f224&au=victoria+coren&ti=&any=&fs=Search

[b]Library of Congress[/b]

http://www.loc.gov/fedsearch/metasearch/?cclquery=victoria+coren&search_button=GO#query=(victoria%20coren)&filter=pz:id=127.0.0.1:9012/lcweb%7C127.0.0.1:9012/ammem%7C127.0.0.1:9012/catalog%7C127.0.0.1:9012/ppoc%7C127.0.0.1:9012/thomas

[b]World catalogue of libraries[/b] http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=victoria+coren&qt=notfound_page&search=Search

Surely if she'd actually written a book on this topic, at least one of these places would have heard of it? Othellowasaprettycoolguy (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soundbites from Interview with Rakeback.co.uk

My favourite gambling movie is…

“Big Deal At Dodge City”

I’ll know I’ve made it when…

“I get ten hours sleep at a single stretch”

If they made a movie of your life so far I would want to be played by…

“Drew Barrymore”

The bad beat that still haunts me is….

“KK v. JJ in a SCOOP the other night, but only because it was two days ago. I’ll have forgotten by Friday. I have a great temperament for poker, no resentments.”

When I’m not playing poker I’m…

“Reading, writing, cooking, gardening, playing Scrabble, playing bridge. Anything but sleeping.”

If I could offer one piece of advice to a new poker player it would be…

“Never play for a sum of money you can’t comfortably afford.”

If I could have only one lasting accolade on my Wikipedia page it would be…

“The book I just wrote. I’m really proud of it.”

Read full Interview at Rakeback.co.uk

Is this genuine comment, or advertisement in the comments?

Notability

The only 3rd party references we have are for her book. Arguably that's enough for an article for the book instead, but not for her (notability is not inherited - Wikipedia has articles for things like notable books, software, other products, but this doesn't automatically mean an article for who wrote them). There doesn't seem to be evidence to satisfy any of WP:AUTHOR. Yes, she writes for notable newspapers, but notability is not inherited. Her poker playing, whilst evidently good, doesn't qualify under basic criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Basic criteria. Mdwh (talk) 12:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing definitely needs work, but she's clearly notable per [1] [2] & Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker#Biography article notability criteria. –xenotalk 13:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
She was on Have I got News for You. I think that means something. Surely, the combination of minor status across fields, and her celebrity qualifies as something? 60.240.207.146 (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So was a tub of lard. Not a big deal in the scheme of things. – ukexpat (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She's presented several radio and TV shows, written for numerous papers, had several news stories in papers *about* her, written at least two books and won the London EPT Poker Tour. What more do you want? 212.46.132.194 (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter fight with Michael Winner

Why no mention of her recent fight with Michael Winner over his Tweets about her breasts? She has written newspaper articles about it and the episode has provoked a lot of discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.62.32.131 (talk) 09:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the article history. Qwfp (talk) 10:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Twitter fight is nothing more than gossip; there's nothing to do with who Victoria Coren is or why she's worthy of having a Wikipedia article. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The episode seems to say more about Winner than Coren, which is probably why it has a brief mention in his entry. --Qwfp (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She's apparently dating David Mitchell

According to the daily telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/8362654/David-Mitchells-double-act-with-Victoria-Coren.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.216.18 (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kinda looks like it. I'm probably missing something when the article mentions "Mandrake," and it's look a little gossip-y to me, but if I find any other references toward this pairing then I'd say it's worth a mention. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date again

The BBC, The JC say she is 38 now (1973). They are stronger sources than Ancestry.co.uk Span (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you undid my edit on Victoria Coren's birth year, citing the reason as 'weak source'. You might wish to note the following:

The Victoria Elizabeth Coren in the Birth Index (Hammersmith, Q3 1972, Mother's maiden name Kasriel) IS her. There is only 1 Victoria Coren appearing in the birth records for England and Wales from 1761 to 2006 (both on Ancestry.co.uk and Findmypast.com). The only 2 people whose surnames were Coren and mother's maiden surname Kasriel at any time were Victoria Elizabeth Coren and Giles Robin P Coren (1969 Hammersmith). The only marriage has between a male Coren and a female Kasriel was between Alan Coren and Anne D Kasriel in Marylebone Q4 1963 and it is well-documented that her brother is called Giles and her (late) father was Alan.

I do this for a living (research, genealogy, people-finding). I can assure you that births are NEVER registered in the year before they occur. I can also add that journalists often get this sort of detail wrong (often by looking on Wikipedia). Do you have a subscription to Ancestry or Findmypast? If not, please don't contradict people who do. Iantnm (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. This encyclopedia is an collaborative enterprise, we edit as a community. The talk pages are for discussion of such things as reliable sources and exploration of contradictory evidence. Here we go entirely by verifiable sources. Here Ancestry.com is held to be an unreliable source. Please see the recent discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard. There is also doubt about findmypast.co.uk. See the recent sources discussion here. As both are behind paywalls, their information is not readily checkable by all. We work and rely mostly on secondary and tertiary sources. As the noticeboard discussion concludes, I think it's safest to note in Coren's article that there are conflicting sources and the birth date is unclear at this point. I encourage you, Iantnm, to join this discussion. Span (talk) 12:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody used a tweet from Victoria of "This might be my best birthday ever" as a source for her date of birth, but it seems presumptuous to take that completely literally. (This could just have easily been at a party a few days before or after.) --McGeddon (talk) 11:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have had an exchange with Span on my talk page which will be of interest to other editors involved in this discussion. Philip Cross (talk) 22:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As a user edited source IMDb is not held by WP to be a reliable source and is especially questionable for contested personal info in a BLP. The BBC, JC sources give 1973. Other editors (above) say they have checked the birth records and are convinced the 1973 date was wrong. We can't use public documents as sources, but it might suggest there is a conflict of data somewhere. Celebrities very often fudge their birth dates. Who knows in this case? WP:BLP says no info is preferable to dodgy info. We might have to wait for Coren to explicitly state her birth date. This same question comes up often on many biogs. Span (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It looks as though the recommendations concerning the citing of IMDb has been strengthened since I last looked into the issue. The National Library of Australia, WorldCat and The Independent have 1972. Note also that another editor has asserted that The Times on 23 August 1973 announced Victoria Coren's birth on the 18th. An Evening Standard piece by Coren dated 19 August 1972 identifies her birthday as "yesterday". I think that resolves the issue, and will change the source. Philip Cross (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking into that. Coren's own statement of her birth date has to be as conclusive as it gets. Hopefully that will put the above contention to bed. Cheers. Span (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use of specialist poker language

I have added the technical specialist tag to this article because paragraph 2 of the "Poker" section contains jargon that will defeat most readers who have only a passing knowledge of the game. It would be helpful if someone could re-write this section in language that most people could understand. Peteinterpol (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the tag from the top of the article to the "Poker" section. Qwfp (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is a section on this very subject, up the talk page.. Meerta (talk)


Joke?


"Coren has joked that she and Mitchell met at a party." How is this supposed to be a joke? What is so funny about meeting someone at a party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.92.241 (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title of page: "Victoria Coren Mitchell"?

The BBC are now referring to her as "Victoria Coren Mitchell" (see credits to tonight's episode of "Only Connect" plus the following: http://www.radiotimes.com/programme/tmvp/only-connect. Should the title of this page change? Peteinterpol (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest simply add a reference to her new professional name "Victoria Coren Mitchell" rather that change the page title until it gains in common usage. Makes me wonder if David is now referred to as "... Coren Mitchell" or Mitchell Coren? Also interesting to note that it is not hyphenated. 13:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.163.176 (talk)

Don't let us jump the gun. Even she is unclear on what to do, cf: https://twitter.com/VictoriaCoren/status/334089651335856128 16:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.163.176 (talk)
Yes, I've heard many media variations of her new name. We use the name most commonly recognised, as the article title, which will remain 'Victoria Coren' for quite a while yet. Span (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed the name Coren-Mitchell in the credits to Heresy, presumably this is her new chosen name. Agreed don't bother renaming the article but if it's her new name it's worth a mention.Gymnophoria (talk) 11:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See Coren's Twitter comment above from one week ago. She still uses 'Victoria Coren' on her own website, in her Guardian column and as her Twitter moniker. Span (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now writing for the Guardian as Coren Mitchell, and she's added "M." to her twitter account. Additionally she continues to be credited as Coren Micthell on Only Connect and also an appearance on The Culture Show. I think she's made her mind up! I move that the page be renamed and redirected accordingly. Andy (talk) 21:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She writes under Victoria Coren Mitchell for The Guardian now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:630:E4:42ED:8000:2:B3D6:F62A (talk) 11:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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