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To Do list

Information about lawsuits.
coating of plastic to prevent movement of chip
encryption.
database registries
ISO standard covers other things besides the frequency. What is in the standard?
Lawsuits Banfield was sued and the other companies were sued by the feds.
Patent. Can they really patent the idea of a chip?
How does the chip work? I'm guessing it is powered by the induced signal it receives.

Two thoughts on the MicroChip implant

No one talks about the way it feels under the skin, these animals can't tell us if it itches, or even hurts. And is this the first step in getting them into people? Something from 1984, or even older the Bible, and the mark of the beast? Just things to think about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.172.5 (talk) 06:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is very clear to pet owners when something is irritating their pet. Add to that the fact that some humans have volunteered to get these and other artificial impractical objects embedded under their skin (such as magnets) and reported no discomfort. There simply is not a system of nerves under the dermis. When implanted correctly, hermetic hypoallergenic implants are completely invisible to the human body. Heck, people have lived with buckshot, bullets, and even nails from nail guns in their bodies for years and years, sometimes not even knowing they were there. As for asking if this is a step to getting them in to people, the invention of the scalpel could be considered a "step". This question is inane. -67.78.138.82 20:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. Welcome to step one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.190.190 (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we're just so worried about our little man....We have a 6.5 lb Yorkie and had him 'chipped' about 18 months ago

He had surgery yesterday to remove a tumor on his back. Started out as a small bump, took him to the vet in August to check on it, they sent a sample off and it was negative for cancer. I asked the vet at that time if it could be the Home Again chip in his back and the vet said oh no that would never happen.

Well, the bump kept getting bigger so we took him back in and the vet said the tumor should be taken out so they did that yesterday. Poor Scotty has a 5 inch incision in his back...we asked the vet to scan him to see if the chip was still there and it's not which means it was in the tumor that was removed.

Then I read on line about several studies that say that the chip implanted sometimes caused malignant tumors in lab animals.....I'm just sick. Tried to do something to protect him and it may kill him. They sent the whole tumor in for testing and we won't have the results till next week. What really ticks me off? Tommy Thompsaon was in charge of Health and Human Services which the FDA reports to. Less than 5 months after the FDA approved the implants, Mr. Thompson left his cabinet level post to become a member of the board of the chip maker, Verichip. The paid him a considerable amount of money and gave him a large amount of stock options. ALso during this time, his law firm (he's a partner) was paid almost $2m dollars by Verichip. Can you say sellout?!?

I'm thinking the vet either lied to us about the chip not being the problem (worried about litigation??) or he didn't know about it....even though I think he should have known! If he had admitted that the chip might be a problem during the first visit, we could have removed the chip then. I don't feel like we made an informed decision when we had the dang thing implanted, if I'd know there was a chance of this we never would have had it done....and you sure won't see anything on the Home Again site that says there may be dangers!

So cross your fingers for my little frankenstein dog and pray that the results come back negative....won't be chipping him again, that's for sure! And I'd advise other pet owners not to do it either! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhawkins1 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just got a chip myself. I have never been so happy. Honestly, a friend of my is a vet, she chipped me in my gut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.253.32 (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just drove a nail through my skull. Never felt better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.67.115.122 (talk) 16:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism section

The criticism section, indicating cancer risks, is woefully inadaquate. It doesn't discuss the study at all, or offer any additional information whatsoever. I call for its expansion. Jo7hs2 (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, but it should be made clear that this finding was only in the laboratory setting and has not been seen clinically in pets. --Joelmills (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't even see a criticism section anymore! No mention of farmers refusing to use the chips and the sanctions they get in countries where rfid tagging is mandatory..

Worldwide area

France - no longer accepts the AvidEuro Chip only a 15digit chip - Source USDA commercial movement form
Canada - no longer accepts the Avid or homeagain just their 24hourpet Canadachip which maybe the same as the 15digit crystal chip ?
I believe several countries are leaving the AvidEuro Chip and only going to allow the 15digit - the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) will not allow registration of a dog without the Canadian chip now - perhaps a section about the various country regulations to help the article ??? could be a table or list of countries ? Every country besides the US mandates microchipping of dogs - the USDA does have some regulation for some animals but not imports ?Lisa.Cinciripini (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Netherlands "If your pet will be identified through a microchip, please be aware that the microchip meets the ISO standard (International Organization for Standardization) Annex A, 2.1, ISO # 11785 (website: www.iso.ch). For your information, the HomeAgain microchip from AKC Companion Animal Recovery and the AVID-Eurochip, are manufactured in compliance with Annex A, 2.1, ISO # 11785 and meet the requirements. If your pet will be identified through a microchip which is not in compliance with Anex A, 2.1, ISO # 1785, you can bring your own reader or transponder. This will enable the Custom Authorities in the Netherlands to identify the microchip number of your pet." source http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/article.asp?articleref=AR00001142EN Lisa.Cinciripini (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will add various country requirements w/sources here as I come across them Lisa.Cinciripini (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External link

I have removed a link to A1 ID Systems which has now been added twice to the article. I don't think it is an appropriate link. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Microchip or PIT tag?

Seems to me that the pet industry has adopted the use of "microchip" here which is tremendously ambiguous as it applies to chips used in thousands of unrelated applications. For wildlife work, most researchers refer to these tags as PIT tags, or Passive Integrated Transponder for a RFID microchip that is implanted into the body of an animal (cf. http://www.biomark.com/). PIT tag as a name has the benefit of describing exactly what this is and differentiates it from most other applications (although adding the word "implanted" would have been even more specific - iPIT anyone? ;-). In any case, at the very least, it would seem reasonable to acknowledge on this page that a lot of people using and manufacturing these devices do not refer to them vaguely as "microchips" but rather as PIT tags. I'm afraid I don't know Wiki language and culture, or I would do so myself. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.26.179.139 (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures?

Besides the x-ray picture of someone's pet cat with an implant are there any photos of an actual implant itself? I'm curious what it looks like and how small/large it is. Any takers? Henry123ifa (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an image. enjoy! --Animalparty-- (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Encryption

Cryptographic features are not necessarily unwelcome; few pet rescuers or humane societies would object to a design that outputs an ID number "in the clear" for anyone to read,

This appears to contradict itself. Are they welcome, or not? Marnanel (talk) 22:21, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Cross-compatibility and standards issues" reads like an essay

The section Microchip_implant_(animal)#Cross-compatibility_and_standards_issues seems overly detailed, inappropriate in tone, and possibly commercial in nature, e.g. the type of article found in Consumer Reports magazine, not an encyclopedia. Many of the footnotes are clearly personal musings, and the Scanner Compatibility table appears to give advice, rather than facts. See WP:NOTMANUAL . --Animalparty-- (talk) 19:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Functional distance

I came to this article looking for an answer to a criticism I have encountered regarding the chipping of livestock and humans. The criticism (which, I suspect, is firmly rooted in paranoid conspiracy theory) is that the government will use the chips to track people and animals via satellites. My response has been that, regardless of scanning equipment, the very limited transmission range of RFID transponders makes it impossible to read the implants even from just outside the paddock, much less from a satellite. (I imagine that the energy required to generate the EM field needed to power a passive transponder at that distance would be enormous, and likely very dangerous.)

Thus, I was looking for some discussion of just what the effective range is for the various forms of these implants. Is is near-contact? 15cm? A meter? I believe the larger passive ear tags can be read as the animal passes through a chute (similar to the operating distance for anti-theft tags employed by libraries and retailers), but I don't know about the tiny, subcutaneous models. Also, I suspect that the range for finding a chip on an animal is different from the proximity required for reading it. Starling2001 (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LOL! That's an interesting question and one new to me. From my experience with a kitten we had with a chip, the vet had to touch the scanner to her, though perhaps a few inches would have worked too, I don't know. Maybe do a little research and see what you can discover? If you can find some useful links (perhaps from manufacturers or something), feel free to post them here and maybe we can find a way to add them. Montanabw^(talk) 19:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These passive 125kHz devices are really induction transceivers. The tag and the reader essentially create a transformer. Since the near-field power falls off as the inverse *cube* of distance, it is essentially impossible to activate any passive proximity technology from more than a couple of meters away. Having worked in R&D on proximity technology in the 90's, I'd be astonished at anything more than “near contact” for a passive device small enough to be implantable; 15cm would really surprise me. As to any difference between finding and reading a tag, I would very much doubt it. There really is nothing measurable at the reader until the tag starts modulating the field. The limitation is coupling sufficient power to the tag to power up the electronics rather than readability of the signal. Once it powers up and starts modulating the field, it's easy to read, and this happens rather abrubtly. In principle, you could measure the presence of the tag's tuned circuit on the reader side, but by the time this becomes unambiguously discernable on the reader side, the tag starts up and it becomes readable.EmmetCaulfield (talk) 23:52, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]