Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2014 August
I requested that this move be relisted so that I would have an opportunity to address it when I got home from Wikimania. It is my absolute right to request a relisting, for any any reason, and this request was ignored, resulting in a move being carried out with no evidence being presented to upset the existing primary topic consideration. Furthermore, relevant projects which I would have notified upon my return went unnotified. I request that the move be reversed so that a properly publicized discussion can be carried out with properly adduced evidence.bd2412 T 00:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- Endorse. Obviously a proper close. The onus is on WikiProjects to monitor, not on closers to check WikiProject notification. This nomination lacks, and needs, a substantive argument for why the current title is worse than the previous. It would probably be more productive to open a thread at Talk:Atmospheric_particulate_matter, and proceed to a fresh RM should substantive arguments be agreed with. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- If it is so obvious that this is a proper close, then what harm could come from extending the discussion for a few more days out of respect for an editor who has spent nine years working on this project, and was only unable to participate in this discussion for having been at Wikimania, working tirelessly to improve all aspects of Wikimedia? bd2412 T 02:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see that any existing participants in the RM were at fault, and I think that means that we should "move forward", not backwards. "Obviously a proper close" does not necessarily mean "the right result"; I am intrigued by what contribution you will have speaking against that rename, but on principle I won't support this nomination that asserts no technical procedural failing and doesn't include any substantive criticism of the rename. The harm would be the implied criticism of the closer for performing this close. There are too few qualified, impartial, reliable RM closers, and this closer does not deserve this criticism. I would not have made this nomination, but instead would have opened a new thread on the talk page and detailed problems with the rename that the other participants failed to see. In anticipation, I would suggest that "particulates" to me is more likely to refer to water quality, like total suspended solids, and has for decades at least been an important matter of water quality, and is established (boring) knowledge, and that interest in atmospheric particulates has a recentism bias. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- I find it suspicious, at least, that G. C. Hood appears to have waited until I had announced that I was away before filing the move request, and posting a request for my participation in the discussion directly under the note on my talk page stating that I would be unavailable until the 12th. It seems disingenuous at least, and at worst like some kind of shenanigans, to act like the participation of an editor in a discussion is valued and requested while initiating the discussion when the same editor will be unable to participate. As it turns out, I had some limited windows of opportunity to make a few edits, and I expended some of that time on a straighforward request that this discussion be relisted so that I would have an opportunity to participate (as requested). We have had some lengthy discussions about relisting as a matter of policy, and I know that you are opposed to relisting discussions at all as a matter of principle, but the community in general has endorsed the idea, and as a technical matter, my request should have been honored. As for the substance of the question, I don't know what the evidence would show, as I still have not had a chance to look into it. I got off a plane from London yesterday afternoon exhausted and fully expecting to have some time to address this in the next few days, and today found the discussion closed and the disambig count skyrocketing because of a redirect that violated WP:MALPLACED. I don't know that I would necessarily disagree with the determination that Atmospheric particulate matter is not the primary topic, bit if it isn't then it is a subtopic of an unambiguous primary topic involving all such particulate matter, and that seems not to have been considered at all. bd2412 T 04:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see that any existing participants in the RM were at fault, and I think that means that we should "move forward", not backwards. "Obviously a proper close" does not necessarily mean "the right result"; I am intrigued by what contribution you will have speaking against that rename, but on principle I won't support this nomination that asserts no technical procedural failing and doesn't include any substantive criticism of the rename. The harm would be the implied criticism of the closer for performing this close. There are too few qualified, impartial, reliable RM closers, and this closer does not deserve this criticism. I would not have made this nomination, but instead would have opened a new thread on the talk page and detailed problems with the rename that the other participants failed to see. In anticipation, I would suggest that "particulates" to me is more likely to refer to water quality, like total suspended solids, and has for decades at least been an important matter of water quality, and is established (boring) knowledge, and that interest in atmospheric particulates has a recentism bias. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- If it is so obvious that this is a proper close, then what harm could come from extending the discussion for a few more days out of respect for an editor who has spent nine years working on this project, and was only unable to participate in this discussion for having been at Wikimania, working tirelessly to improve all aspects of Wikimedia? bd2412 T 02:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I see that you asked the closer about the close. As it seems to be 3 hours since Anthony last edited today, might it not be wise to wait for them to respond before proceeding with the move review? I also agree with SmokeyJoe's advice above. PaleAqua (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- I am very, very angry about the way that this has played out. I feel that my trust has been abused, and that my dedication to the project has been taken advantage of. I spent my vacation days beta testing Visual Editor upgrades and brainstorming ways to improve all of Wikimedia, and I come back to find that a charade of inviting my participation has been carried out in my absence. Well, if my participation is wanted in the discussion, reopen it and I'll give it. bd2412 T 04:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)