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This article was nominated for deletion on 18 June 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Removal of trivial sources

Looking over the article, I decided to remove some content and supporting references. The Conde Nast article was extremely trivial. The article had more to say about it than the source itself did, which is a bad sign. Similarly, the brief mention in Epoch Times did not adequately support the attached content. Implying that it 'has been recommended' is technically true, but misleading, since only one person has recommended it for such, and her only listed qualification is being described as an 'expert'. Medical claims are very, very tricky, and need to be held to much higher standards, per WP:MEDRS. I'm still looking for sources and forming an opinion on the (currently proposed) deletion of the article, but I thought I would explain my edits in the mean time. Grayfell (talk) 00:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Grayfell, when you say medical claims, I did not write the article with the intent of making any medical claims. I have no interest in that whatsoever. I wrote the article to describe the medical claims that others have made. I'm not sure your application of WP:MEDRS applies here. I don't think the article is telling anyone to go use essential oils to treat a medical condition and if it is, maybe that aspect is what should be altered and the sources left as is.Christopher Lotito (talk) 14:25, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not questioning your motives. I'm willing to debate the point with you, but I believe I'm correct that this is a MEDRS issue. My concerns mainly applied to the Epoch Times source. The statement 'has been recommended' was extremely broad, and lacked important context. By simply saying that it's been recommended without explaining who is doing the recommending, the article is using Wikipedia's voice to imply that it is a common or mainstream treatment. If it is, the article needs much stronger sources to that effect, and if that is the case it seems like it would be better to mention it at essential oils first. The one source giving the recommendation has not been established as a medical professional (a bio of her that I found). The source did not say that the Young Living brand, in particular, was the important part of the recommendation (it was a single sentence mention as part of a longer article). The source is a popular press item being used for a medical issue. I can understand wanting to use the source with a different phrasing, but I really don't believe that the source is going to be useful to this article. Grayfell (talk) 03:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We need to get rid of this smearing asap

The FDA warning letters section is absolutely absurd.

If you click on the actual links themselves, especially the bottom 3, you can see that the FDA was simply requiring a certain representative to provide a signature to complete a process.

Yet on the page it states that this is a "violation" of some article. Are you kidding me? How could this possibly be neutral or informative. It is clearly targeted negative smearing and has absolutely no place in wikipedia.

It is a big edit, so I am reluctant to do it without community backing - because I keep making mistakes, so I'd rather put it out there to review yourselves, and after agreement that it is ridiculous to include this in a wikipedia article, then we can take it out.