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Thanks for pointing out your concerns about Liaquat Ali Khan. Thanks again, and Welcome here! Faizan 16:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC) |
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June 2013
Hello, I'm Sitush. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Jat Muslim, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 18:09, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please could you read User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. It is not sufficient to source that a living person is claimed to belong to a certain caste or religion - they must self-identify as doing so. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 18:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Friend
Hi friend, I had thoroughly checked all the references personally from the original sources, I have reverted your edits to the article Ahmadiyya-Jewish relation. You may consider...
- “Therefore in verse 17:105 the warning of the latter days relates to the period after the second coming of Jesus. The words 'shall bring you together' refer to the present influx of Jews into Palestine[1924]. Jews from different countries are offered facilities of travel and rehabilitation. The revelation of the Promised Messiah said, 'I will relieve the children of Israel.' This indicated a great change in the position of the Jews. It indicated the end of the opposition which nations of the world had made for so long to an independent home for the Jews.” (Invitation to Ahmadiyyat , Page 172 ; by Mirza Bashir ud Din Mahmud Ahmad (1924) [1]
Regards.--Drali1954 (talk) 06:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
I understand that Ahmadiyyat says that the existence of Israel will happen but Ahmadis also are very pro-Palestinian aswell which is not once mentioned in the article in my perspective this article only shows one side of the coin which in turn made it lopsided an biased because it only emphasizes Ahmadiyyat's belief that Israel would become a state.
- Thank you brother for your kindly and just comment. I have tried to highlight the "Religious aspect" and avoided any political polemics. I am aware of all that, which can be safely called "opposition" to the creation and status of Israel, in the Ahmadiyya history. However, I believe, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has also learned and grown over in many aspects..... Political realities are transient, relative and shifting. They have to be evaluated in the given temporal circumstances. Sincerely Yours Drali1954 (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
December 2013
Hello, I'm Sikh-history. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Islam and Sikhism without thoroughly explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! SH 10:44, 8 December 2013 (UTC
First of all, I apologize for my late response( I had exams) and remmember:
[hide]This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten. The reason given is: No direct comparison of religions, simple summary of their teachings.. (October 2012) This article reads like an editorial or opinion piece. (October 2012) This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (November 2009)
So let start from the beginning and what I took out: "due to the Sikh faith's opposition to forced conversions." this is not only highly debated but also considered false and Sikhism advanced from a religous movement, to a religious regio-political movement trying to gain control and influence and did insurrections which were harshly and sometimes wrongly and abruptly met by forced conversion (in some rare instances) and other inhumane acts but these were not the cause of the Sikh rebellion against Mughals. This was clearly not sourced and biased so I removed it. "Which led to a British invasion of the Empire of the Sikhs. Soon after the British army began recruiting large number of Sikhs into the British Army, in which the Sikhs made up to 25% of the soldiers in World War I and World War II. This was under the Martial Race Theory that Sikhs were born warriors, which proved true as the Sikhs were awarded 14 Victoria Crosses for their bravery and over 27 battle honours (a record)." Now this is no way related to the subject matter of the into of this article no matter which way you look at it and in no way does is it in enlighten the reader on Islam and Sikhism. Also it is historically inaccurate as the mas recruitment of the Sikh in the British army started after the Indian Rebellion of 1857 which the Sikhs did not participate in because they did not have a fondness for Mughals.
Now if I remember correctly I also deleted to comparison sections predestination and Gender equality.
Starting with predestination, Muslims are divided into 5 schools of theology: Khawarij,Murji'ah,Mu'tazila, and Ash'ari. They range in Belief of pure free will, to partial, to pure predestination so you cannot make a comparison what so ever due to such diversified views and the was no comparison made or reference provided.
Now the topic/section Role and Equality of Women is the most bizarre, biased, and completely against Wikipedia standards there is one verse quoted where men are told to protect women and all of a sudden Islam does not promote gender equality. Here are a few verses from the Quran: Women are independent individuals, as exemplified by the fact that all human beings will be accountable for their own intentions and deeds on the Day of Judgment when "no human being shall be of the least avail to another human being" (82:19)
If men were ultimately responsible for women (fathers for their daughters, husbands for their wives, etc.), then this accountability would be solely on men's shoulders to bear until the Day of Judgment. But this is not the case: "And whatever wrong any human being commits rests upon himself alone; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another's burden..." (6:165)
"Verily for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves before God, and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly: for all of them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward." (33:35)
So this article again unreferenced, highly biased and completly unacceptable.
The rest was Unreferenced or unrelated to subject matter or Biased to an extremity. Also I would like to remind you of that I am being very lenient on this article and that:
[hide]This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten. The reason given is: No direct comparison of religions, simple summary of their teachings.. (October 2012) This article reads like an editorial or opinion piece. (October 2012) This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (November 2009)
You Can't Delete Verifiable Refrences ...End Of
You can't delete WP:Verifiable references as you have done at Islam and Sikhism. What I suggest is you read about etiquette and format at Wikipedia. If you perist on reverting you will gather warnings and will be blocked. Also do not discuss articles on my talk page but on the article page. Thanks SH 14:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Islam and Sikhism, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. SH 14:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
I donnot know what is wrong with you I have provided more than enough reasoning on your talk page and my own talk page. The content was either irrelevant, and the two sections I deleted had one or no refrences at all so I reallly donnot understand how their WP:Verifiable, and by the wayWP:Verifiable references by the way have to be neutral and that why I deleted it some other content. You have acted very rudely and by the way you told to put my response on your user talk page. I am going to try to bring another editor whos more neutral into the discussion and again read this: [hide]This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten. The reason given is: No direct comparison of religions, simple summary of their teachings.. (October 2012) This article reads like an editorial or opinion piece. (October 2012) This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (November 2009)
Thank you
- Read WP:Verifiable. The references don't have to be neutral but they DO have to be verifiable. That amounts to WP:Censor.The references in this case are verifiable. If you persist (alongside Gurpartap) you will be blocked. The page has been locked for the time being. I suggest WP:Mediation. Thanks SH 15:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Muhammad Zafarullah Khan
Hi, I make changes in the article Muhammad Zafarullah Khan about their religion. As Muhammad Zafarullah Khan was a Pakistani so their religion will also be judged by the Pakistani Law. As according to Pakistani and many other countries Qadiani/Ahmedi are Non-Muslim so Muhammad Zafarullah Khan is also a Non-Muslim called Ahmedi. So kindly revert your changes from Muslim to Qadiani. Thanks M. Adnan Khadim 11:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madnank (talk • contribs)
First of All, on Wikipedia and everywhere else (other than Pakistan) Ahmadis are considered Muslim. -- This in not a matter of debate on Wikipedia. Secondly, the international community abhors this unconstitutional Pakistani amendment and so does the UN Human Rights Commission. Do it again and I will request your blocking from Wikipedia. See WP:BP You should read:
Wikipedia is for open minded people willing to learn and share.
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I was going to mention WP:DEADLINK but using Wayback to look at the site it obviously fails WP:RS in any case. Dougweller (talk) 06:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Punjabi People
Kindly dont change the article picture again and it is my request here. I have arranged them according to accomplishments. It is not to show Any Religious Diversity or Billionaires but to show their Achievements in General and their contributions rendered to the soceity. In the first line I have arranged Scientists and then came the Revolutionaries and then the political and other elite. When i say elite then I am talking about the people who are talking rich in terms of Intellectualism and who have contributed to the society. Billionaire is not a Big deal for me. It is not the Religious Background but the Accomplishment that matter the most.
Also Kindly keep in mind that I also Belong from Ahmedi background but we should not force somethings on others. We should be unbiased at all costs. Love for all , Hatred for None and also unbiased all the time.
I am trying to be unbiased...
Your trying to tell me Lala Lajpat Rai is a more famous, influential ,and important historical figure than Liaquat Ali Khan, Muhammad Zafrulla Khan, and Bhagat Singh. Turning to Vinod Khosla and Vinod Dham they have No real significance or importance to Punjabi people. You have to understand that they man others like them ie. Shahid Khan.
Now I do think we need to rearrange these figures but based on a combination of time period and their field of interest. For example the first and second row should be flipped. Also people like Amrita Pritam and Pash need to be removed and punjabi politicians in the west need to be in the same row(last or second last) such as Sayeda Warsi, Nikki Haley etc.
And my friend if you are truly of an "Ahmedi" background you would write Ahmadi Muslim or Ahmadi
I am not going to make any changes now because it involves a lot of work and research but this gives you a general idea. Nawabmalhi (talk) 00:48, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
--Nawabmalhi (talk) 01:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Well again i am stating that I have arranged the people according to the Profession in the first row and that is as simple as that. Muhammad Zafarullah Khan and Abdus Salam both are there. Bu I put Abdus Salam and Har Gobind Khorana on Top because in my view their contributions are greatest.Our Younger generation can get inspiration from them and get impetus for the general science and technology.. Also Vinod Dham and Founder of SUN Microsystems can be an inspiration as well.
Muhammad Zafarullah Khan is there but in the last because his contribution were not general but to the One Community of India and for Pakistan. Bhagat Singh , Lala Rajpat Rai talk about all of the India including Muslims and all and their contribution was more general.
The Inclusion of Pash is due to the fact that he is the forgotten author. Also he is one of the First authors in Punjab after the creation of India and Pakistan who talked about Revolutionary movements and that too in Punjabi. Since Punjabi poetry generally lack Revolutionary Writing so his mention is due to the fact of Revolutionary writing in Punjabi.
Amrita Pritam is there because she is the first Recognized Punjabi Woman that was recognized for her literature. The Poetess like Amrita Pritam can encourage our women to take on Literature as they have a role model in front of them.
Also as you mentioned i will rearrange the politicians as the time will progress.
My Basic aim is to add those personalities from which our younger generation can get inspiration. I really believe Science and Technology is the key that is why my emphasis is always on the Science, Technology in general. In the future i will add F. C. Kohli and Satish Dhawan in the first line as well as One is known as the father of Software technology in Indian and the other led to research in Fluid Dynamics and our generation can get inspiration from them.
Have a nice day. Also kindly try to dispute the Qadiani article as it is an Offensive term and some stupid guy is stating that is the second name of Ahmedi Muslims and that is Biased and Intolerant in my view.Mooch025 (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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Barlas debate
Moved to Talk:BarlasDear Sir:
Recently you have made misleading edits that constitute vandalism on the "Barlas" page on Wikipedia. To the ethnicity of the Barlas as being Turko-Mongol you added "Persianized" - this is a general and ambiguous term and there is no way to verify such an assertion - you then footnoted it with a book on the Persians but never really provided the exact quote you are relying upon - first, I would ask you do that, and second, even if you can provide the exact quote from the book on the Persians, I suggest you examine the validity of such an assertion.
Barlas is a world wide clan that was originally Mongol and then was Turkicized through intermarriage with Turks - Iran was one of many countries ruled by this clan and to use this simple fact to assert they were "Persianized" seems inappropriate and misleading and an attempt at trying to reduce the authenticity of the facts on this page.
Also, how can you change "Central Asia" to "Greater Persia" when Central Asia is what exists in fact and "Greater Persia" is just a concept or a term of reference and does not exist in fact?
I have seen your previous edits and it seems your efforts to change the ethnicity and culture of the Barlas clan are aimed at a personal agenda to contend, perhaps due to your religious inclinations, as has been unsuccessfully tried before, that the Barlas were associated with Persia. Sir, your words cannot change the truth and I would ask you refrain from playing with such things for personal motives. If you persist with trying to dilute the quality of this article with misleading assertions, I will notify Wikipedia and ask them to ban you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebenoyon (talk • contribs) 01:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings, but I have no personal agenda. The fact of the matter is that the Barlas tribe is not just found in Central Asia but also in Iran, Afghanistan,Pakistan, and India. Their are more people who claim descent from the Barlas tribe in Pakistan, India, and Iran (individually) than in all of Central Asia. In Central Asia, Iran and South Asia cannot be included.
All the references curently used in the article indicate the Barlas as part of the fabric of greater Persia. --Removed shouting. MrScorch6200 (talk | ctrb) 05:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Now Greater Persia is not a concept, its a reality. Greater Persia is not based of ethnic homogeneity but instead of a cultural and linguistic identity built through various empires Achaemenids, Parthians, Sassanians,Abbasids(1000-1300)/Buyyids, Ilkhanate, Chagatai Khanate, Samanids, Timurids Safavids,Mughal Empire and Afsharids and the Qajar Empire who all ruled Greater Persia.(bolded means ethnically turco-mongol dynasty- notice that all had Persian as their official language and used it in their elite circles)
Most of the Barlas tribe did adopt Persian customs, language, religion(Islam), titles and married within the local Persians and later South Asians by mid-14th century. The adoption of native vernaculars by elites in place of Persian started in parts of Central Asia in the 18th century although Persian was used for administrative purposes.
Now I know this article means alot to you, but I hope you put your personal opinion aside.
I have not made any changes to allow you to respond if you dont I will revert your edits, and if you persist on doing deconstructive edits you will get a warning first.. so on and so on... Thank you for voicing your concerns --Nawabmalhi (talk) 05:40, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
You have not hurt my feelings. Nor have you answered my questions nor provided a source for your assertions. And you did revert my changes unlike what you claimed on the page.
"Persianized" is a vague and ambiguous term, and "Greater Persia" does not exist today. What you are doing is like calling France a part of Greater Rome which no longer exists.
It is also clear from looking at this page what you are doing. You are trying, consistently, to make highly contentious assertions all over Wikipedia, in an effort to try and validate the highly contentious assertions made by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of your religion, who claimed to be Barlas and to be "Persianized" at one point. You cannot recreate reality in an effort to mould it to be consistent with your beliefs.
As for Wikipedia, you enjoy no special status with them and can get warned and then kicked out yourself. I have made a lot more contributions to this subject and it is evident and transparent what you are trying to do. In fact, it is plain sad.
Jebenoyon (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems you did not read my response, and are resorting flaunting pitifull accusations, and your analogies are illogical. (France is part of Wertern Civilization continuum Romans are Greek/ originaters of Western Civlization) Now: 1. All turco-mongol dynasties adopted the persian language, culture, religion etc. 2. The Barlas in central Asia account for a very SMALL portion of the total population of Barlas so you have to have the Indian subcontinent and Iran. 3. Again ALL of the references used clearly show the Barlas are and have been persianized, EVEN the name of one of the references is "The Persians" for God's sake 4. Greater Persia and Persianized are words used and linked countless articles on Wikipedia
Thank you for bringing it to dispute resolution to settle it.--Nawabmalhi (talk) 23:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
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