Talk:Totton and Eling
Totton Secondary Schools Discussion
Fact Totton - Defined as Original Village of Totton. Not Calmore, West Totton, Hounsdown, Netley Marsh, Cadnam, Winsor, or any other area now known as Totton. This definition of Totton has a secondary school called Testwood. Hounsdown (note the spelling - yes a test)is not considered to be in Totton by true locals. Concede to Benshade council covers both areas and both schools. Not intended as vandalism
86.7.65.222 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-I have referenced the sources for Totton having two secondary schools. (http://www.totton-and-eling.demon.co.uk/S.htm)
-Both Testwood and Houndsdown are areas within 'Totton and Eling' (This being the Totton and Eling Civil Parish - The area covered by the Town Council)
-I agree Houndsdown was built after Testwood, to cater for the overflow and surrounding area catchment (at the time). It was not build solely for the Houndsdown area (which is tiny) as you seem to imply, but for the whole area including Totton.
-I also agree that historically pupils expelled from one, attended the other by default. This happened both ways - Testwood to Houndsdown and Houndsdown to Testwood, but this has no bearing on where they are. In fact it indicates that they are that they for the same catchment area - Totton and area.
-I have referenced articles to show that they are both in Totton.
-I believe your 86.7.65.222 edits were POV and unconstructive (which in wikipedia can be considered vandalism).
-My family has also lived in the area many years, giving me local knowledge, but wariness that I should remain NPOV on articles.
-I attempt not to have bias and have (hopefully) shown my changes to be referenced fact.
- I have renamed this section to avoid attacking any particular users. Please, if there is a problem with the article discuss the facts, not editors. Discuss the content, discussing editors is not helpful. Wikipedia:No personal attacks elaborates.--Commander Keane 20:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Please add your new comments to the end of the section otherwise we can't work out what going on!
I agree 'Original'/'vanilla' Totton centre would probably not include all the surrounding 'places/areas'. I'm not old enough to know that far back myself. However this article is 'Totton and Eling' and is about 'now' (and now means 2 secondary schools)
Maybe you could put it in a history section in the article - e.g. 'Totton was until 19xx a smaller village and was separate from the surrounding areas such as Calmore and had one school (Testwood School). Do you know when they were 'separate' places? Were they really separate in 1963 still?
Or as you say a new article, but I would suggest that the article should be on Testwood not Totton (as the school is in Testwood 'area')
Ok darn - you got me to spell it wrong - I was daft enough to copy your spelling knowing I was likely to spell it wrong on my own anyway- I could never spell right it which is why I copied it.
Consideration by Locals is POV - It is now in the town council area - which is fact. I consider it to be 'Totton' because of this in addition to my local knowledge as a ex-local.
Posting a new entry for Totton (or Testwood) sounds OK, but be warned that it will look like 'duplication'. It would probably be good to do the other places that are 'part' of Totton - Hounsdown, Brokenford, Eling, Calmore as well to make it look more in place and link between this article and them. Ben 21:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Have just noticed that Totton and Eling is a redirect of Totton, so you won't be able to have a 'Totton' article (easily). I suggest a 'Testwood' article and a history reference in the Totton and Eling article. I will add a history section which will probably be suitable.
As an ex-local you will no doubt know of the schools are bitter rivals (and always have been) to state one is academic and the other sporting is POV. The current head of Testwood would disagree that the school is not as academically gifted as Hounsdown. Ex pupils would also see this as a major insult.
Yes, historically Totton had wooden huts on the site that is mainly playing fields at Testwood and these predate Hounsdown by many years. The brick building was built in 1963 as stated. Totton and Testwood and the Salmon Leap area are individually named but collectively formed the original village of Totton. Infact the Testwood school logo has the river, the wood and the salmon encompassed into it. Hence the comments about the single school IN Totton. Hounsdown school is a few miles away in Hounsdown. The main roads "Ringwood Road" and "Salisbury Road" dissect Totton. All the housing between the two roads is considered to be the Original Totton. Everything between the River Test and Salisbury Road is considered to be Testwood and all that falls between the causeway and Testwood is considered Salmon Leap.
Councils come and go and I'm sure the area names will long outlive the pen pushers.
86.7.65.222 6 July 2006
- Yes they certainly are rivals! I agree that the 'academic' does seem slightly POV (I did not write that bit myself). However the 'science college' and 'sports college' tag lines are 'referenceable'/'fact' - Look at the different schools web sites or HCC site. I will remove the word academic.
- That is a good explanation of the areas that you should add to the article. I'd forgotten about the name 'Salmon Leap' - That brought back memories. What about the Brokenford and Rushington areas? And Spicer's hill? Lots of Rushington is newer (1960's?) estate, but Brokenford and Spicer's hill have had houses for many years. Are these not both part of Totton (or are they Eling or ?)?
- I agree Testwood is the nearest to the town centre (if I make the 'centre' is the Civic Centre?), but Hounsdown is only a mile away - Testwood is about 1/2 a mile.
- The real point is that this is an article on the 'Totton and Eling' conurbation - civil parish area. Being an encyclopedia this is the current area not historical area. The history of the area can be added to the article in the appropriate section - Your explanation above would be a good addition to the local area section, I think, with an added explanation in the history section, saying what the 'original' Totton boundaries were and that it has now expanded. You could say that Testwood was the 'secondary' school for this original Totton area.
- However the 'schools' section needs to remain with both schools as this it the current position, and any explanation of the area covered by 'Totton and Eling' needs to include all of the places - Calmore, Hounsdown, Brokenford, Testwood and Hammond's Green etc (plus anywhere else you can think of inside the Totton and Eling CP - like Salmon Leap). This is in the local area section. It might be worth indicating which are in 'Totton' and which 'Eling'.
- I am sure the council area will change - Although practically I expect it will get bigger not smaller (unless it is split) - and when it does the article will no doubt change (as a paper encyclopedia would change the next time it was published) :)