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Likely sockpuppets self-approving DYK noms

After WayKurat contacted me on my talk page at User talk:BlueMoonset#User:PapaJeckloy and his questionable DYK nominations and reviews, I took a look and agreed that two different new accounts each approving one of PapaJeckloy's DYK nominations minutes after the user's first edit was suspicious behavior, so I submitted a sockpuppet investigation. The results have just come back that the two accounts are "Likely" matches, which I gather is strong evidence but not enough for "Confirmed".

The question is, where do we go from here? PapaJeckloy's reviews have required extra scrutiny: EEng asked me to intervene a few weeks ago, and even today PJ's review of Template:Did you know nominations/Jeff Dexter missed close paraphrasing. His own articles have weak prose and he shows an inability to recognize issues with his own, another issue that carries over to his reviewing. Only today, he opened, reviewed, and passed a GA nomination in eight minutes: Talk:Adderall/GA1, a complex scientific article of 3210 words (23139 prose characters). I find these actions quite troubling.

Is this enough to disqualify the two nominations in question? To withhold DYK credit? To suspend DYK privileges? I'm not sure what has been done in similar situations in the past, or what sorts of sanctions are typically invoked against the sockmaster. (One of the two likely socks has already been blocked for having an offensive name.) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC) (minor edit at 04:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC))

I think the SPI should be closed shortly by a closing admin, who will decide on sanctions, so I would wait for that. HelenOnline 07:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I think that given the way he has stepped up his reviewing activity (with continuing problematic results) and has now started assembling prep sets, DYK should definitely consider what action it wishes to take. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I've removed a hook that he approved and promoted in the same edit and reopened the nomination (though I haven't struck the approval), and I've also removed Template:Did you know nominations/Broadway Hollywood Building. I haven't got it in for TonyTheTiger (despite the fact that I only ever seem to suggest that his articles are withdrawn or don't qualify; sorry, I'm going to make it up to you in a second TTT); it was just that it was approved by Gongon3336 whose only other contributions seem to have been to approve or edit nominations by PapaJeckloy. Belle (talk) 08:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ok, it's your opinions, i'll just wait for an administrator to close the sock investigation, and i'll never edit Wikipedia again, your comments are hurting me a lot, i feel sorry to my self that my contributions in WP are controversial because of lack of experience and the accusations to me are being judged as likely or something else, i'll just wait for it to be closed (if i'll get an indefinite block), but it's not yet confirmed, i'll just tried my best to help and contribute to wikipedia but seems like it's not effective and i am always controversial, i understand the evidences and i think it is caused by lack of experience thereof, so i temporarily will not build prep sets, review GA and DYK's and create/contribute to articles at this time, i am hardly percieved by the whole community, and to be safe from judgemental persons (i'm not sure), Maybe it's a sign for me, Well, I just want to thank everybody who helped me contributing on this site, I just want to help but this is the result of everything i done, You can give me sanctions, judge me, percieve me, i understand my wrong and damageable edits here and i also know that it causes waste of time, but i just can't insist that i am accused that i abusively used multiple accounts, i'll just hold this to an SPI clerk or something else. -PAPAJECKLOY (hearthrob! kiss me! <3) (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I have re-opened the sockpuppet investigation to address Gongon3336, please add any other possible socks there. PapaJeckloy got a week's block and is showing no remorse so I think the next step would be to propose a topic ban at ANI. I am prepared to get the ball rolling if I have enough support here. HelenOnline 12:34, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Gongon3336 has been confirmed and blocked. Please participate in ANI discussion re proposed ban. HelenOnline 15:50, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I created an ANI discussion against Jeckloy. Feel free to join and share your experiences dealing with this guy. Thanks. -WayKurat (talk) 15:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
PapaJeckloy has been indeffed by TheBushranger after proof of further socking (initial block had been one week), but I would like to move forward with a topic ban here as well for when he returns, so we can relax the ban at what we consider to be a prudent rate. I don't believe we are restricted from that, even if the ANI thread has been closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
My understanding of Wikipedia protocol is that such a ban would have to be agreed upon at AN(I) and is not an option at this time based on the outcome of the ANI discussion closed earlier today. Please correct me if I am mistaken. HelenOnline 20:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Two of my hooks (the EarthBound four-part multihook in Q1 and Crawl in Q3) were added by PapaJeckloy, and I'd like to request reconsideration of their placement. Would someone be able to take a look? EarthBound is sitting near the bottom (for a four-part hook), and Crawl, I thought, had an exception animated image that would be worth displaying. czar ♔ 08:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Queue 1

Can somebody add "US" before the $ in ".. that Walter W. Law went from being a carpet salesman to shipping 8,000 roses daily, earning up to $100,000 annually?", as other currencies use the $ and some of them would seriously dent Mr Law's bottom line. (I know it was in US$ because he shipped the roses to me for my attendants to strew in my path. He died in 1924? I'd like to withdraw my previous claim) Belle (talk) 18:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's The Rambling Man! (I don't know why I thought he might be a bird or a plane, he's not flying and hasn't even got wings; I'd better get my eyes tested) Belle (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Oueue 3

Oueue? Is that like a DYK oeuvre, maybe with a Ouija board? EEng (talk) 01:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Encouraged by the sound of an open door flapping in the wind and the tumbleweed rolling down the street that accompanied my last request (look, it's just above this one), I thought I'd bring your attention to the the hook for Johannes Østrup in Queue 3. Although that hook wasn't struck out, it wasn't approved either. See Template:Did you know nominations/Johannes Østrup for all the exciting details. Belle (talk) 11:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Replaced with approved hook. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Is it A F G D X on the top line? No, it's The Rambling Man! (I was right, I did need to get my eyes tested.) Belle (talk) 12:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I'm being too picky but ... that in 1893 Johannes Østrup rode on horseback for 60 days from Istanbul to Copenhagen? Copenhagen is on an island. Art LaPella (talk) 05:39, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
That's why it took sixty days. EEng (talk) 05:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Horses can swim but, yes, I think you are being a bit picky; nobody will imagine that he remained constantly on horseback for the 60 days either (and Copenhagen is on more than one island; pow! picking at the pickiness). Belle (talk) 07:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

A quickie

Need someone to take care of "Violence & Destruction, Islander (band)"--should be done easily. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Alt1 reviewed and passed. — Maile (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hook accumulation

There are currently four filled queues and two filled prep areas. Despite this, there are over three hundred nominations waiting to be processed with forty-five of these being approved. The size of the backlog has been growing for several weeks and I suggest that it is time to either increase the number of hooks in a set or else increase the frequency of the changeover to three sets a day. Any other views? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Closure of RFC on main image of upcoming DYK

treats! is going on the main page in a little over 26 hours. It has an WP:RFC regarding its main image that has been waiting for closure at WP:ANRFC since August 31.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I also left a note at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Closure_of_RFC_on_main_image_of_upcoming_DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I didn't realize someone responded to this because no message was left.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

With the last set of unreviewed nominations recently archived, I've compiled a new set of 35 older nominations that need reviewing. Many of these may look familiar. Thanks to everyone who reviews.

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for these continuing updates! Would it be possible to automate this? It would be helpful to have a "dashboard" that has just the titles and the most recent bullet for all open nominations, like an expanded version of Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 07:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Antony-22, I suppose it might be possible to automate something, where those entries that have either no icons or the last icon as the "review again" are listed. The problem is that this often doesn't tell the whole story, that people seem not to want to get involved with the no-icon nominations that have a lot of exchanges, and that I frequently have to add those red arrow icons to reviews that already have other icons but have now progressed to the point that they need a new reviewer. If someone wants to try they're certainly welcome to, but it's not something I'm interested in doing myself. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
BlueMoonset We can have a section reserved on the project talk page for older nominations needing reviews. The nominations which have been passed or failed can be removed manually and the section can be regularly updated. I have added a comment in this section so that it doesn't gets archived.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Skr15081997, you mean on this talk page? I'm not sure how well that would work; where do you think it should go? If it sits at the top of the page, which is where it will end up eventually (like this section has), it's less likely to be seen as it's old; if it sits at the bottom, it will obscure more pressing matters needing immediate attention. Not that the current process of starting at the bottom and moving up is ideal, but it seems to attract enough attention. We could add and delete nominations—I already add new entries within the post's original timeframe when I spot them—though the nice thing about the struck entries (rather than deleting them outright) is that it shows progress (or lack thereof) since the section was posted. But that's my impression; other folks could have different ideas on what would work best. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
BlueMoonset the list of older nominations needs to be somewhere. WP:GAN and WP:FLC have a note of older nominations right at the top of the page. I don't think putting it at the top of nomination's page would help but since many editors visit this page frequently putting it somewhere on this page might help speed the reviews and help maintain low backlog.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Skr15081997, unless there is consensus that a section of the sort I've been creating needs to be pinned somewhere on this page, rather than be introduced at the bottom and gradually rise toward the top and get archived in the usual way as has been the practice for years now, I think I'm going to stick with the status quo. If you feel strongly that it should happen in a particular way, why not create a new section at the bottom of the page (where people will see it) and see what sort of consensus develops—people may have preferences about this that I may be completely unaware of. I do think we should let this obsolete section of hooks be archived off the page, since it has been superseded once and is about to superseded a second time. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Hooked facts

Does the fact(s) in the hook has to come from the newly added content in case of 5x expansions? --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 06:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

No, just needs a ref right next to the fact, or several if more than one fact is mentioned in the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

What is the meaning of main article at Wikipedia:Did you know/Multiple Article Hook Hall of Fame?

I have just discovered Wikipedia:Did you know/Multiple Article Hook Hall of Fame and want to fill in some of my hooks. What is the meaning of main article in the table on that page? Does it have to do with the Lead hook from the set they were in or the hook at issue?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The way I've always interpreted it is: if one of the articles in the hook is clearly the major topic and the other articles are subsidiary to it, put the one that is the major topic in the first column. For example, one of mine was List of places of worship in Hastings plus four articles about individual churches, so I put "List of..." as the main article. For many hooks, though, there isn't really a main article: they all have the same "status". In those cases, just put a description (or link to an article) that covers all of them. For example, for your hook about the Michigan Wolverines football team in 1990 etc., perhaps enter "Michigan Wolverines football team seasons" in the Main article column. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers

I've compiled a new set of the 38 oldest nominations that need reviewing. Thanks as always to everyone who reviews.

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Pageview stats

Has the http://stats.grok.se pageview tool been discontinued. I have never not gotten a response within 24 when inquiring about a delay in updating. It has not updated since September 2. I have queries in at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Pageview_tool_down_again and User_talk:Henrik#Pageviews_not_updating. P.S. I know another tool exists at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/?, but it does not accounts for non-alphanumeric characters very well yet. E.G., Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, which has an apostrophe only counts about two thirds of the page views (see the variants tab at the bottom).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

TonyTheTiger, I don't know about Henrik's tool. That's always been iffy for years. You might get an answer if you email Henrik. Have you tried installing User:Hedonil/common.js on your js? The results are spectacular, in a way. Yeah, there's a section tied in to the page views you have issue with. One thing Hedonil's tool does is give you a "heading" line on every WP page of stats, who created the article, how many authors, how many revisions, etc. If you double click on "See full page statistics" on that heading, it takes you to a wonderful breakdown page of various information. Interesting to look at. However, if as you say, you think those stats are off somewhat, then maybe this will not interest you. — Maile (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
His tool is back up. A six day hiatus is a record though.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

PapaJeckloy

Something buzzed in my head over the nomination for the 2014 Philippine FIBA Basketball World Cup team, and checking Gelacost Mouse's contributions shows they are suspiciously PapaJeckloy-esque, so I've reopened the sockpuppet investigation. It's just like a really mundane Nancy Drew adventure. Belle (talk) 21:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you, PapaJeckloy's latest sock has been blocked, and I rejected the DYK nomination. He'd also signed up for GOCE and edited an article for it, even though said article wasn't on the GOCE list until he added it. Fortunately, the sock hadn't gotten around to GAN yet. Unfortunately, Gelacost Mouse managed to get Confirmed days in advance of the standard autoconfirm by requesting it; I've pointed out what happened to the confirmer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:DYKSTATS or not?

The other day, a DYK of mine, for Deep Creek (Pennsylvania), got onto the Main Page. It apparently just missed out on a DYKSTATS spot, getting 4949 views. But then it got 395 views on the next day for no apparent reason. I've heard that DYK views from one day are sometimes carried over to the next day. Is this what's happening here? --Jakob (talk) 17:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Considering its pageview stats and the fact that it removed from the main page at midnight it gets carryover totals. Its official total is 4752+393-(11+36)/2=5122.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

New Hooks to the bottoms of sections

Can we have the editing prompt on the nominations edit screen be changed to direct new articles to the bottom of sections? The Nominations page as a whole already reads oldest to newest when scolling down it, it does not make sense to have the new noms placed at the tops of the sections in my opinion. --Kevmin § 00:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

In a similar vein, actually, I'd like to renew my suggestion that new nominations be entered under the date of nomination instead of the current "date of expansion/date of creation" system (designed, I'm guessing, to maintain some kind of first-creation-first-featured fairness, which hasn't made sense for a very long time given the highly unequal rate at which noms progress to approval).
For those of us who like to eyeball each nom it would make things much easier if new noms just appeared at the bottom. It would also make it easier to find noms that have been neglected.
EEng (talk) 04:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
One reason to keep nominations under the date of creation (or start of expansion) is that if said date isn't in the Current nominations section, then the nomination is clearly overdue. And since a great many reviewers seem to work from the bottom up, it might be nice to continue having those who submitted their nominations sooner get seen sooner by these from-the-bottom folks, rather than have subsequent submissions get a leg up by getting placed in that prime position. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Well I don't think it's a big deal either way, but the "subsequent submissions get a leg up" argument makes no sense i.e. there's no strategy that goes "I'll nominate tomorrow instead of today because that way, when I nominate I'll be in the prime position at the very bottom" -- if you nominate right now you'll be in that same prime position, too. EEng (talk) 04:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
EEng, I didn't say it was a strategy, but a simple fact of placement: those at the bottom get the attention of those who work from the bottom up. Anyone who's been working at assembling sets will have seen how the lowest nomination is more likely to have been reviewed than the ones above it. If we change the placement, we change the likely order the nominations will be reviewed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Whether it's a conscious strategy or not, the point is the same: you're saying that "subsequent submissions get a leg up " i.e. somehow nominating later gets you reviewed sooner, and that makes no sense. EEng (talk) 19:55, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it will matter a great deal within each days grouping, with the more reviewable nominations getting reviews quicker then the more intensive ones, as already happens to be honest.--Kevmin § 00:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Queue1 problems

@A P Monblat, Hawkeye7, and Wasted Time R: The third item in Queue1 (Template:Did you know nominations/Sutton twin towns mural), "... that all of Sutton's European twin towns can be seen without leaving Sutton High Street in London by looking up at the twin towns mural?" should be removed and put on hold as I have just nominated the article for deletion.

Removed. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@Rosiestep, Hawkeye7, and Yoninah: The final item (Template:Did you know nominations/A Dog's Love), "... that Shep the Dog proved a better actor than his child co-star in A Dog's Love?", I must be overlooking something, I can't find that fact in the article at all. Can someone else check this please? Fram (talk) 09:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yeah, the hooked fact is missing in the article. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 10:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps, hook refers to this line "The dog's emotions — including "depression", "groveling pathos", and "joy" — were noted to surpass the child's histrionics." --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 10:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Pulled until a better hook can be agreed upon. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
The hook is indeed based on the source quoted by Vigyani. Not sure why it's not a good hook. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I've just reopened both nominations, which had been left as "approved". Any nomination that's pulled needs to be reopened as part of the removal process, and a message added to the nomination template noting the issues that need to be addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not unusual for a hook to be pulled without prejudice, usually to make way for a time-critical hook. If there is no comment on the nom, then it is liable to be added to the next prep area. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Pulled Perce Wilson from Queue5

@Cbl62, Cambalachero, Hawkeye7, and HJ Mitchell: I have pulled Perce Wilson (Template:Did you know nominations/Perce Wilson) from Queue5. The hook fact was sourced to two sources (one a wiki) which did not include the hook fact (and flatly contradicted it by omission), and one editor-written note stating that these two sources are wrong, as evidenced by some primary sources and a source of dubious reliability. This piece of WP:OR was then used to promote this to the main page (or nearly, pulled from queue). If source A and B say X and source B says Y, then doing some research in primary sources and finding that Y is correct may give a kick, but it is not the kind of impeccably sourced fact that should be a hook. I don't understand why no one even bothered to discuss this, to raise this problem, at the review.

Realise also that the hook is possibly incorrect synthesis; even accepting the original research, what source states that he was the only or first Canadian-born quarterback? The sites that list Canadian-born ones separately omit him, and the source used to indicate that he was Canadian-born doesn't list who else meets that description. If the reliable sources have omitted one player from their list, what makes you decide he is the only one? Fram (talk) 09:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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