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Merge

Does anyone else think that Y Ddraig Goch should be merged with this? - calum 17:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Saint David

How come that is not the national flag? I think it is a political statement that England's Saint George the Dragonslayer rules over Wales's Dragon. Besides, isn't the dragon a pagan symbol and aren't most Welsh people deeply Christian? Éponyme 18:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Red Dragon is likely to be Celtic in Origin, and I feel that it symbolizes the fact that Wales is still a part celtic country. Although many religious groups have wanted to change the flag it has been upholded by traditional beliefs--McFlame 19:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Satanic?

Is there any reason for any of this "opposition" section to exist? A new political party surfaces and announces the dragon is satanic; fails to be elected; disappears off Google. What is encyclopedic about this? I can't find the party website, only stories in the press from around the time of the election. A case of undue weight? Telsa (talk) 18:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of replies, I have been bold. Zap. Telsa (talk) 09:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two flags

Why is there both and on Wikipedia? 212.137.63.86 (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Malta

hate to be pedantic but where's the dragon on the maltese flag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.132.82 (talk) 09:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I added the information to the article, but if you go to the Flag of Malta, enlarge the top flag, and within the George Cross is St George on horseback attacking the dragon. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion it's a bit tenuous to claim the dragon as a design element of the Maltese flag. OK, theoretically there's an image of Pistrucci's St George slaying the dragon in the middle of the George Cross, but in practice nobody would ever be able to see it if they were looking at the Maltese flag flying on a flagpole. I'm going to de-emphasise it. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the question. Is there, or isn't there a dragon on the Maltese flag? Yes or no. Size is not an issue. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there is, and it deserves to be mentioned in this article. However it is a bit obscure, and so I am quite happy with Arwel's change. I'm not sure why you say that size is not an issue - remember that this is an article about the Welsh flag, not about flags with dragons on. Bazonka (talk) 07:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, I too think the update is fine. I hit the talk page before seeing the ammendment. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusion

The section on exclusion is over-written: Wales is not represented in the Union flag because it was considered part of England; oh and a bit of trivia that the Daily Telegraph had a fun competition to add Wales in. No one of great noteworthiness proposed the image shown, the shown image does not represent any great significance. May as well try to find a still from The Simpsons with a Welsh flag in the background, that would have just as much significance. 81.97.131.168 (talk) 22:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The same could be said of the paragraph that starts: In 2007, the Welsh Christian Party adopted the stance that the Red Dragon was a symbol of the devil... I'll add Template:Importance-section to both sections. Ham 20:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
so the consensus is to remove both parts? Tinynanorobots (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Before 1959

Whilst editing, my reason for doing so was cut short. Simply because the Welsh Flag was "accepted" by the British Heraldic establishment in 1959 does not mean it was not used by the people of Wales before that. (It quite obviously was, as any discussion with any Welsh person born before 1959 will show.) However, that is immaterial, as the onus of proof is on someone to prove that the use of the Welsh flag at the election of Lloyd George was wrong or anachronistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.254.249 (talk) 01:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC) Ceiniog (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just one quote from BBC history site after quick google search, " in Caernarfon in 1911, at the investiture of Edward, Prince of Wales, the flag appeared in its current form" . This takes it back well before 1959, and it may well have been used by Welsh people rather than the British establishment establishment before then. If it were up to someone to prove it was used before 1959 I would look for (much) better references than the BBC, but as I say, it is up to someone who wishes the deleted section to stand to prove that the deleted reference is incorrect/anachronistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.254.249 (talk) 02:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC) Ceiniog (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A photo of the Welsh Flag ("in its current form") being flown at the International Six Day Trials (motorcycle event) at Llandrindod Wells in 1938 on this site- http://speedtracktales.com/index-of-isdt-events/isdt-1938-wales/

Just one piece of evidence showing that the use of the Welsh flag before 1959 is not "incorrect" or "anachronistic".Ceiniog (talk) 11:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean this photo? It's so small that there's no way to be certain that the flag is identical to the modern one. For example, in a small grainy photo this particular flag may well appear to be identical to the modern one, but clearly it isn't!--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I mean the flag which both you and I linked to. It is quite obviously the Welsh flag, as is the second one you link to. What is your point? The second image is the Welsh flag. Assuming you (for some reason) think the dragon is a bit different (to whatever you have unilaterally decided a Welsh dragon should look like), the dragon appears in many different forms on the flag, there is no official version of it. It appears in many different forms on Welsh flags. The one you link to is not particularly unusual.

I would suggest you invest in a pair of reading glasses if you cannot see the obvious Welsh flag in the 1938 photo. Ceiniog (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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