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Michael Lenson

Dear RHaworth, I would like to ask you to reconsider your deletion of my recent post about my father, the American artist Michael Lenson. I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request. There was no copyright infraction in the post, which contained some of the same material that I have also included on http://michaellenson.org, a website that I also own and manage. The material on that website is not copyrighted. So no copyright infraction could have been involved. Furthermore, there is a logical flaw in thinking that if biographical material about one individual is repeated in different locations on the Internet, that some kind of infraction has occurred. If two websites mention that Thomas Jefferson lived in Virginia, for example, it doesn't follow that one of them must have copied that fact from another website; that fact is simply part of Jefferson's biography, not someone's property. There are certain verifiable facts about my father's life, and they appear in many places - in catalogues of exhibitions, in reference books, on websites. Those facts do not belong to anyone.

Again, I hope you will reconsider. I also wish that you had communicated your concerns about the post and not immediately deleted it. But what's done is done, and I hope that you might help me get a listing in place for my father. Thank you, and best regards, Barry Lenson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:5080:107:7D1B:CAFF:D69A:374C (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

• Message double-posted, no link to article, unsigned and from an IP address. Consider yourself very lucky that I am bothering to reply. It was not just the copyvio aspect that caused me to tag Michael Lenson for deletion - I did not delete it. It was the utter slovenliness of the submission. I gave my reasons here but forgot to mention the worst fault: total lack of independent evidence. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Meralco Bolts Logo.jpg

Could you tell under which speedy deletion criterion this was deleted? The log message says F1, but F1 does not cover files in other file formats. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oh dear, the same sin twice in a week: doing the right deed for the wrong reason. The JPG had been replaced by File:Meralco Bolts logo.svg. What deletion reason should I have given? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Rak-Tai's WP:AOHA

Hi there RHaworth, I'll try to keep this short and compact but it is actually a long story going way back when I had my first encounter with User:Rak-Tai, a POV-pushing COI-editor, when they reverted this section as part of their censoring spree on the Pattaya article. Unlike their name might suggest, they are not Thai but American. I was instrumental in having one of their blatant COI articles deleted and I was also one of the editors who cleaned up their POV and COI edits. I can actually prove with a few diffs that they have lied to other editors here on WP during another AfD about their involvement with the article's subject but then I would also be outing them. Since then they have started smearing me, accusing me of harassment. Rak-Tai has been posting ongoing, unproven personal attacks against me for some years now on his user page, which I remove per WP:RPA when I see them. They state that they are not editing here any longer either but once in a while they come back to repost their accusations. It escalated yesterday evening where they immediately reverted every my removals of their attacks. Per WP recommendations, I posted "npa" warnings every time they did this which resulted in 8 npa warnings. Admin Drmies then became involved and threatened me with a block without knowing anything of the background. I tried to explain the situation to Drmies today but apparently their mind was set, resulting in me having to defend myself at every step of the way. All Drmies had to do was blank the user's talk page as it contains personal attacks but Drmies refuses, using a very dubious rationale that "it is balanced" as it now stands. Apparently, for Drmies, Rak Tai's lies are balanced by my 8 npa warnings? The quickest way to see that Rak-Tai was pushing POV to the extreme here on WP is to look at these two sections in Nick's talkpage archive (1, and 2) where I provide diffs showing Rak Tai's behaviour. All I am asking for is that the talk page of Rak Tai is blanked. I can't remove the accusations there because, as I mentioned here above, Drmies threatened to block me if I did, apparently accepting that it's okay for Rak Tai to post their accusations on their talk page without ever having to prove them. It is a minute issue but Rak-Tai has been harassing me for quite a long time now and it is grating that his attacks are allowed to stand without me given the possibility to defend myself or have these attacks removed. I hope that someone will also finally give Rak-Tai an official warning to stop posting their accusations. Regards, - Takeaway (talk) 22:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Suddenly, just now Drmies did blank Rak-Tai's talk page, unfortunately feeling the need to use their standard belittling word in the edit summary, in spite of their complete refusal to do so just 1 hour ago. Unfortunately, another problem editor, Wikicology, has involved themselves by posting there. It would be very nice to see this latest post removed per WP:TALKNO as they have nothing to do with this whole issue, they do not give any new insight in this problem whatsoever, and are only there with that specific message to annoy me. - Takeaway (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

RHaworth, if I were anything like Takeaway I'd accuse them of calling me insane, and I'd spend a million words proving it over the next five years (apparently this goes back to 2009). Holy moly, perhaps WP:NOTHERE applies here--feel free to have a look at what they posted on my talk page. And yes, I blanked that talk page since Takeaway here threatened to blank it two days from now; I thought I'd prevent another shit storm. And people wonder why editors quit. (Takeaway, go ahead and report this at ANI.) Drmies (talk) 23:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, why should I be bothered to bring up this glitch of yours at ANI? It was already a complete waste of time that it took me half a day to finally get it through to you that personal attacks should not be left to stand on a page. If only you would have done it sooner, and without feeling the need to use belittling wordings in the edit summary, but apparently you just couldn't bring yourself to do what plainly had to be done without resorting to "silly" things like sneering. It doesn't become an administrator and one wonders with administrators such as Drmies, why editors like me have still not quit. I wish you interesting administrating! - Takeaway (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

• Takeaway, I strongly incline to consider it as Personal attack for referring to me as a problematic editor! I have no idea of how it appeared sensible to you for issuing about 8 npa warning to a fellow editor. I found it very unnecessary. I wish it never happened! All editors have their opinions. You are not expected to impose your opinion on other editors (even thou you are right), a behavior I considered disruptive. I expected you to discuss the issue with other editors. You may need to ask yourself Why you are just reporting the case here now? Why not report before you issued your 8 unnecessary npa warning? Its a common thing here on wikipedia to have a problem with an editor and if you are harassed or attacked by any editor (based on your claim), you know the right channel to report the case. Drmies is right for blanking the talk page, a decision I acknowledged. Wikicology (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• Wikicology. That phrase was stuck in my head since the ANI on your behaviour. I will rephrase it: "Wikicology, another editor who has a problem with me". Please research things before jumping in. I have explained all this before. I did report it. Nothing happened. Rak-Tai, despite warnings, kept reverting. After 3 years of harassment I grew sick of it. He was already warned 1 1/2 years ago by another admin to stop doing. Read all about it for yourself in the links I provided above to Nick's page. I do not need to repeat all that again. And FYI: in all these years only run-ins with 3 or 4 editors: Rak-Tai's was the only major clash. - Takeaway (talk)

And yes, stubborn Rak-Tai has just reposted his personal attack yet again, stating "my page" in the edit summary, and also mistaking Drmies' obliquely phrased remark to stop posting personal attacks, and apparently also Wikicology's unwarranted input, as encouragement to continue doing so as shown here. It's a pity that when Drmies blanked the talkpage, they also blanked their initial admonishment to Rak-Tai to stop posting personal attacks on their user page. - Takeaway (talk) 13:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Phew... The issue with Rak-Tai has finally been taken care of (see User talk:Floquenbeam#Thank you) and hopefully this will finally end Rak-Tai's personal attacks after all these years. Floquenbeam has blanked their user page and added an official warning to their talk page, and Drmies has now also added a stronger message to their talk page. - Takeaway (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• I accept your apology. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Yawn... Takeaway (talk) 18:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• Takeaway, why did you chose to put this discussion on this page? Have I had any previous involvement of any sort with you or Rak-Tai? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

No you didn't. I don't know any admins, never had any need to all these years on WP. And ANI seemed way too much for something like this. For some reason I remembered your name and that you were an admin. I just had nowhere else to turn to, to have this issue resolved as Drmies threatened to block me if I removed the personal attack but flat-out refused to remove it for me. And this wouldn't have turned into a discussion if Drmies and Wikicology hadn't followed me here. - Takeaway (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Kimura

Why did you remove my edit to Kimura as also being a band?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GMAXX666 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• Disambiguation pages such as Kimura are limited to blue-linked items. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Section 4 (NYSPHSAA)

The aforementioned article received a speedy deletion from you. Two editors, myself and Prisencolinensinainciusol are prepared to pay attention to the article to bring it up to standards. I was called in because I have written and supported many similar articles - -I must say I have never seen the one you deleted and it was gone so quickly after the notice that neither of us could do anything about it. I could easily recreate a better article in keeping with the other similar section articles, but because you speedy deleted it, there is a red stain that will draw some other admin to quickly and blindly delete it. So please undelete the article. Let both of us know and will create an article that will not need to go to AfD. Trackinfo (talk) 09:33, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• The other articles in Category:New York State Public High School Athletic Association sections are all borderline. But why should a red stain bother you? Obviously you are going to create such a good article that no-one in their right mind would think of deleting it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Asin lanja

Yo yo yo. I just had my first run-in with Asin lanja today. I notice that you administered their last block. This edit of theirs first caught my eye, where they introduce an image randomly into the article. The file name is gibberish, the caption is gibberish, and even the description at Commons is gibberish. No indication of how/why/if this photo should be in the Drishyam article. Here is another image placed at the top of the article--a probable copyright violation. And the end result of these four edits appears to be deliberate formatting errors. Not sure if the user is a vandal or if they are completely incompetent, but they seem to just be mashing keys and disrupting articles in the process. Anyhow, heads-up! I gave them a final warning for vandalism because I noticed they'd been contacted about disruptive editing before. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• Probably just complete incompetence. Matter has been solved for you with an indef block. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

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Move Page

Can you please move Lil Chuckee (musician) to Lil Chuckee. Since there's no other Lil Chuckee. The subject now is notable, that meets MUSICBIO. — Karlhard (talk) 00:35, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• Done. You cannot be serious. Where is the evidence that he now meets MUSICBIO? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I am just trying to help. Karlhard (talk) 18:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I did see the article before it was deleted. I think Karlhard is being broad with the terms "hit" and "national chart"; WP:MUSICBIO#C2 states that an artist is notable if it has had a hit on a national chart. I doubt he'll have another hit again as he has left Young Money Entertainment, therefore I recommend restoring and sending back to AfD per WP:Using deletion as cleanup.--Launchballer 15:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I may be wrong, but it does meet notability. You can't say that he won't get another hit because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. By now, the subject meets WP:MUSICBIO. Karlhard (talk) 18:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• Clearly Inter (talk · contribs) was not impressed by the evidence of notability that you offered. Try asking Inter to restore it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

quotation

I made a approx. anon. quotation to one of your advice lines at on my talk page here. I'll add attribution if you like --I wan';t sure you'd want me to. DGG ( talk ) 19:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• I was going to reply on your talk page until I saw the ridiculous size of it. It is nearly six times bigger than my maximum size for this page. You have archive links at the top which suggest monthly archiving, so why have you got stuff dating back to 2011? I recommend an archive search box as at the top of this page. OK, disk space seems to be cheap and infinitely expandable but spare a thought for people with portable devices. You were asked: "it's very hard work reading it on a small screen. (Have you tried?)". PamD and I are still waiting for your reply. I tried doing an whole page edit of it on my Android tablet and it crashed the browser. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Make that three of us. I also commented on his talk page length on my talk page underneath a comment of his! Read this - it is linked to from RHaworth's user page.--Launchballer 16:04, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I wanna know which items should be posted

Hi, My wiki page was deleted for maintains as it for my personal use.I wanna know what type of post can we do on wiki and what are not. I am eager to know who can delete my wiki without my permissions and who can not. Can i retrieve my data back that was deleted by third party like you and others.The data that was in wiki is important to me i wanna it back.Can you please help in clarifying the above quires — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noorulla123 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Maintains as it for my personal use" is a classic reason for deletion of user pages. Any Wikipedia janitor can and will delete such stuff. Wikipedia is not a free host. Everything done on Wikipedia must be directed towards building this encyclopedia. You may certainly have your text back for use elsewhere - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

WhatsApp

Check out this article, there is some expression error in it. I am unable to fix it. Owais khursheed (talk) 11:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

• Fixed - it was not exactly a difficult edit. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Emirates Kart Zone - Requesting for restoring an article.

Hi! Please let me work more in my article 'Emirates Kart Zone', It was not finished yet actually but the thing is i posted it already and was been deleted just by now. I will provide more information and this time i'll make sure that all the content word are from myself only. thank you!

please see the link below. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Emirates_kart_zone&action=edit&redlink=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daojaypee (talk • contribs) 14:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)