Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill

Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill

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Fails WP:N and WP:V: non-notable video game with no references based on reliable, third-party published sources. I've looked for WikiProject Video games approved sources and used our custom Google search, but I'm only finding primary sources and user-submitted review/database material. Woodroar (talk) 07:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also including the following games for the same reason:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Woodroar (talk) 07:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 08:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note that several of these games do have a single review at Adventure Gamers, but we're not able to write an article around a single review. Woodroar (talk) 08:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I haven't searched for sourcing yet, but I do think that at this point it'd be a good idea to create a list page for these games and have them all redirect there. The overall Nancy Drew page is pretty large and at this point it'd be reasonable to have a list page for the games as a whole, although most of it would be about the Her Interactive games since those are the majority. I'd recommend something like List of Nancy Drew video games, I think.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokyogirl79 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tokyogirl's suggestion. The problem IMO is that individual games may not be notable enough, but all Nancy Drew games in one list could stand well as a split from Nancy Drew the franchise. The infoboxes and/or texts (trimmed to one to two paragraphs) could be reused to suitably provide more information than just a list of names if wanted. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 12:47, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Drew: Shadow at the Water's Edge, I located enough sources to fairly conclusively establish notability for that article. It took a while, but I also fixed up the article. I was going to edit the others in the series, but when I saw how many there were and how poorly they were written, I gave up. Unless that video game in the series was a complete anomaly, I think it highly likely that the rest of these articles are also notable. I guess I can dedicate the entire day to rewriting these articles, but it's not something I look forward to. I suggest people look at Nancy Drew: Shadow at the Water's Edge and WP:VG/RS to find reliable sources for these articles. I guess I'll vote to keep later, once I've actually validated that sources exist for these articles. Given the number of articles nominated, it may take me a while. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did some searching and so far it looks like most of the games didn't get any coverage because of how many there are- the whole "law of diminished returns" thing in effect, I guess. I'm going to try to sit down and really do some hardcore searching for the others. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Your Google-Fu—or Highbeam-Fu—is greater than my Google-Fu. I appreciate the additional sources, and agree that a list article would be a good idea. From my initial searches, it seemed like the games in the middle of the series seem to have 7-9 reviews each, and the outliers none at all. Of course, even the games with numerous reviews don't have proper reception sections. Ugh. Woodroar (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill Remastered into Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill. I'm going to do this in bits and pieces since there are so many games. I did find enough to show that the first game has enough coverage to show notability, but I don't think that the original and remastered game warrants separate articles. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly keep, with the exception of Labyrinth of Lies, which seems to have very little coverage. Also, I guess it would make sense to merge the remastered game into the main article. I had trouble finding independent sources for that. Here's what I found:
- Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill (Moby): [1] [2] [3]
- Nancy Drew: Secrets Can Kill Remastered (Moby): [4]
- Nancy Drew: Stay Tuned for Danger: (Moby):[5] [6] [7]
- Nancy Drew: Message in a Haunted Mansion (Moby): [8] [9] [10]
- Nancy Drew: Treasure in the Royal Tower (Moby): [11] [12] [13] [14]
- Nancy Drew: The Final Scene (Moby): [15] [16] [17]
- Nancy Drew: Secret of the Scarlet Hand (Moby): [18] [19] [20]
- Nancy Drew: Ghost Dogs of Moon Lake (Moby): [21] [22] [23] [24] [25]
- Nancy Drew: Trail of the Twister (Moby): [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]
- Nancy Drew: The Captive Curse (Moby): [31] [32] [33]
- Nancy Drew: Alibi in Ashes (Moby): [34] [35] [36]
- Nancy Drew: The Silent Spy (no Moby entry): [37] [38]
- Nancy Drew: The Shattered Medallion (no Moby entry): [39] [40]
- Nancy Drew: Labyrinth of Lies (no Moby entry): [41]
- Nancy Drew Dossier: Lights, Camera, Curses (Moby): [42] [43] [44]

These are primarily sources vetted by WP:VG/RS. There are a few other sources that I didn't take the time to actually validate, because, honestly, I think I've done enough work. Of course, MobyGames isn't a reliable source, but it links to many reliable sources. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 01:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep or Merge. Argument by NRP and the link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources is very helpful. However, creating a list of Nancy Drew games may be a good alternative. They seem to have issues with individual notability, but the franchise as a series is notable enough. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've since created the individual page for List of Nancy Drew video games, so any games that are lacking in overall notability can have their information merged into that article. It's a little bare bones now, but I figure that we can all work and put the individual data in there for the various games. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:10, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all (except a merge for the remastered games) pet NRP who has demonstrated the notability of every single game. Bad faith AFDs by Woodroar who, it appears, didn't run a simple Google Search. The list by tokyogirl is a valued addition too. :)--Coin945 (talk) 05:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Coin945: I'm sorry you feel that way. All I can say is that I did look for sources, which is why I nominated only half of the games with articles. Although in retrospect, I relied mostly on Metacritic and my memory of WP:VG/RS-vetted general sources and overlooked the fact that genre-specific sources like Adventure Gamers and Just Adventure were on the list as well. (For some reason, I thought they were user-submitted fan sites and didn't dig further.) Consider myself trouted. I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. Woodroar (talk) 06:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]