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Birthplace

As there are different sources that say Calgary or Vancouver in british columbia i suggest we wait till we got more sources before we add a birthplace to the article --Nakurio (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

There are no reliable sources about the year clement was born so pls no body put in anything till you can show a reliable source here.--Nakurio (talk) 06:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Live events

I think Mike Dalton did already wrestle for the wwe main roster at several live events but i am not sure and can´t find any sources, does anyone know if he has appeared as few talent on wwe live events?--Nakurio (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. No prejudice against a new request with a different title. --BDD (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → Tyler Breeze – He has spent a few months now as Tyler Breeze, and I think it's safe to say he is much more known as Breeze than he was as Dalton. As "Mike Dalton", he may have won the FCW Heavyweight and Tag Team championships, but FCW did not have the same outreach that NXT does. WWE never promoted FCW on their website the same way as NXT, so casual fans were much less aware of FCW than they are of NXT. On NXT, "Mike Dalton" was used mostly as a jobber, appearing infrequently and losing almost every match he was in. Tyler Breeze, on the other hand, appears on NXT much more often than Mike Dalton did and has a much bigger push now. --Relisted. — Amakuru (talk) 22:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC) GeicoHen (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Matt Clement (wrestler) (or Mattias Clement), his birth name. Mike Dalton is his former stage name in Canada, and Tyler Breeze is his WWE stage name. No need to use either two competitive stage names. George Ho (talk) 04:28, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Mike Dalton was actually a stage name he only used in WWE. --GeicoHen (talk) 15:43, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Mattias Wild was the Canadian name. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:39, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to make a decision. In terms of success, it's actually Mike Dalton, even if Dalton was a jobber in NXT, he was still one time FCW Heavyweight and FCW Tag Champion. Breeze has won nothing in NXT. But, in terms of exposure, it's Tyler Breeze, because NXT is broadcast internationally on TV, and FCW was not broadcast out of Florida. Google News produces 16 results for "Tyler Breeze" and no results for "Mike Dalton" FCW, but interestingly, Google Search produces only 54,300 results for "Tyler Breeze" and 138,000 results for "Mike Dalton" FCW. Matt Clement, the birth name, is definitely the least known name, because he never used it in FCW or NXT, which are the most prominent wrestling promotions in his career. Also, in terms of longevity, Mike Dalton's been around for two years, and Tyler Breeze, less than half a year. I'd say, let's leave it at Dalton until Tyler Breeze is a) called up to the main roster b) wins a championship in NXT, whichever comes first. Starship.paint (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Combs, the birth name, was used instead of either "P. Diddy" or "Puff Daddy". --George Ho (talk) 02:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes, when we can find the common name, we use the birth name, like Nelson Frazier (Mabel, Viscera, Big Daddy V) or The Dudleys. I don't know... maybe Support. Dalton won two titles in FCW, but now, NXT is mor notable than FCW was. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move for now per Starship.paint's findings above. It's worth remembering that FCW was discussed online and videos of matches were popular uploads among users of video sharing sites. This could account for "Mike Dalton" being familiar to fans outside of Florida. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 16:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Given that Clement only used the ring name "Mike Dalton" for two years, I think the current title gives undue weight to this period of his career. A Google News Archive search returns 33 results for "Tyler Breeze" WWE and 0 results for "Mike Dalton" WWE. McPhail (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Google News Archive is down for now. Use "site:news.google.com/newspapers". George Ho (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Mattias Clement He's been in more places for a longer time as Mattias Wild, achieved most success (card-wise) as Mike Dalton and is now in the big show as Tyler Breeze (though way down the ladder). It's a three-way tie, by my count, and we default to the name all three ringnames have in common. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:34, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
Comment His real name seems to be Mattias, not Matthew, according to WrestlingData, OWW and FCWProWrestling (not sure if that's official). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose Mattias Clement / Matt Clement If there are conflicting sources regarding the "real name" (profightdb says Matt Clement), all the more we should not move it to the "real name" - and no, FCWPW is not official. Starship.paint (talk) 04:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This Facebook profile is WWE official. Calls him Mattias Clement. Sometimes we shouldn't trust WWE to not work us, but I can't see a reason they'd "lie" about this. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, he never performed in the WWE as Mattias Clement so I can't see anything that the WWE would gain by falsifying his real name.--174.93.163.194 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know if it's official? Just because the username is "OfficialWWE"? Does WWE.com link to that site? Or @MmmGorgeous? Starship.paint (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can never be 100% sure. But I'd assume WWE lawyers keep an eye out for phony names like that on high-traffic sites. Are there any other similarly-named profiles which are clearly not legit? If not, I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt. If not, that's still the name in the majority of third-party sites. Even ProfightDB just says "Matt", which is common short-form for Mattias. Not a contradiction. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:25, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 00:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → ? – "Tyler Breeze" can't be used as either too recent or something else. Birth name should be used, but either Mattias Clement or Matt Clement (wrestler) is all right for me. "Tyler Breeze" isn't, especially when the person's notability is par with many other wrestler. Unless I'm wrong, notability and titling may be connected in some way. Titling may reflect on the person's notability. George Ho (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose' Again? The discussion ended only 10 days ago? Why did you open other if we can't find a good name? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mattias Clement again. Shortening to "Matt" just to add "(wrestler)" seems weird. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:04, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone who thinks the birth name should be used completely misunderstands the fundamentals of Wikipedia's naming conventions. We ALWAYS use the COMMON NAME. No ifs, ands or buts. These discussions are supposed to be about deciding which is the common name. We're not here to decide whether we should just ignore WP:STAGENAME/WP:COMMON because deciding on one is too hard. His birth name is CLEARLY not the common name so it shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's either Mike Dalton or Tyler Breeze. Period. Feedback ^☎ 09:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC) [reply]

If neither nickname is an accurate name, then no nickname should be used, even when a reliable source uses it. That's what COMMONNAMES says. Alas, both nicknames may be accurate. However, if you can't vote in favor of either nickname, then why else opposing the birth name besides not as the "common name"? --George Ho (talk) 09:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We have articles like Mark Lomonaco, Devon Hughes or Nelson Frazier, Jr. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Tyler Breeze. It's the common name (while he had a reasonably long run in FCW as "Mike Dalton", I'd argue that he has received far more attention under the name "Tyler Breeze". "Tyler Breeze" is also less ambiguous since there is already an article at "Mike Dalton". McPhail (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (again)

The request to rename this article to Tyler Breeze has been carried out.

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Mike Dalton (wrestler) → Tyler Breeze – Common Name. NXT recieved by far more coverage than FCW, also is a Network TV Program (more people watching than FCW TV). Breeze is a top guy in NXT, wrestled in NXT Specials (even RAW). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:26, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I said it once, and I'll say it again. Move to either Mattias Clement or Matt Clement (wrestler). This time, it's not just about conflicting ring names. His notability as "Tyler Breeze" is US-based, and WWE is US wrestling organization. WWE is not even Canadian, yet it invites Canadian wrestlers, like Clement himself. Clement started his wrestling career in Canada as "Mattias Wild" based on his real first name, Mattias. Canadian wrestling organizations may not be as notable as US-based WWE, but they are notable enough. I wonder if Canadians ever heard of "Tyler Breeze" or recognize him as "Tyler Breeze" currently. (I won't say much about Americans.) --George Ho (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Mattias Clement. When multiple pseudonyms have been used, go with his birth name and point the pseudonyms to the birth name. PK T(alk) 14:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]