Talk:Baroque architecture

Examples of baroque architecture Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Since Ghirlandajo repeatedly removes examples from Lithuania and asked for explanation, here you go.

While both St. Peter and St. Paul church in Vilnius and Pažaislis monastery in Kaunas are indeed outstanding for their architecture, the primary point for having them mentioned in the article is that they exemplify geographic diversity of baroque in the Commonwealth. Nevertheless, both are important and deserve separate articles on their own. The Pažaislis complex is one of the most magnificent examples of Italian baroque in Eastern Europe both for its outside and interior. Unfortunately some of the stukko inside were damaged when Russians closed the monastery in 1832 and converted it later into an Orthodox church. Nevertheless the church was renovated in 1970s and remains famous for its exterior architecture and the fresco in its dome. Vilnius has abundance of baroque churches, St. Peter and St. Paul basilique is mentioned as an example only. It is outstanding primarily for its extremely rich stucco decorations. --Wojsyl ^(talk) 09:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now is see that these churches deserve a mention. If you think they deserve separate articles, you are welcome to start them. --Ghirlandajo 09:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Spanish baroque is not only Churrigueresque, and Churrigueresque is not only superficial decoration. Correcting this aspects is possitive for an overview of the Style. Ghirlandajo, please, ask before deleting. See User_talk:Ghirlandajo. --Garcilaso 17:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Garcilaso, you need to spend some more time around to understand that I mean to harm. I have to ambition to deprecate your additions in any way. They are good, but this article cannot include all details about every baroque palace in Europe. As it is, the coverage of Iberian Peninsula is way too long and out of proportion to the rest of the article, though I will try to make amends when (and if) I expand it further.

That's why I split Spanish Baroque into a separate article. You may expand it as long as you wish. As a sidenote, I mention only the most comprehensive examples of any particular brand of baroque architecture. If you read carefully, you will see that both Aranjuez and Palacio Real are mentioned in the text *twice*. This is a singular honour bestowed on no other building, though many are suprerior to these in originality, fame, and/or influence on future architects. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 18:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, again, I am glad to see that at last you decided to stay. Of course, my edition was not related to "all details of about every Baroque palace". I understand what a brief overview means, and you are right in saying that Aranjuez and La Granja are already mentioned, which surprised me for the "importance" given to them as you say, but surprised me more for they were mentioned in other countries sections and not in Spanish one ¿?. Well that can be superficial, not transcendent, and I don´t pretend an edition war (in fact, my second edition, was different, attending to you, abridged, and incorpored grammar corrections to the text, and have been just deleted by you. Please, cool off, and tell me if I am wrong adding references to a complete vision of Churrigueresque. The text, as it is by now, says that Churrigueresque is a mere facade decoration with no valuable space resorts, and this, no matter how prolific is one at Wikipedia, is just false, or what is the same, an mistaking incomplete personal view, not a precise, enciclopedic overview. I would like to spend my time in editing and filling voids, and, perhaps, one day be as wise and respected in this Enciclopedia as you, but I cannot if everything I write in "your" articles is blindly deleted and I must spend all my time in writing to you. Thank you for understanding--Garcilaso 18:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Resuming, in possitive: I think most of my edition (references to Granada Charterhouse and Transparente, reference to Madrid brick Baroque, grammar corrections of all the section and a short (if you want, much shorter) reference to the Bourbonic construction, must stay. Lagranja and Aranjuez as quotated in other countries(¿?) could be out, and references to Royal Palace of Madrid could be deleted form Scandinavia(¿¿¿¿????) and quotated in Spain. What do you think about this solution? See you!--Garcilaso 19:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me disagree that mentions of your pet palaces should be omitted from other sections, just because you want to expand the coverage of Spain at the expense of other sections. When I write articles, I take care to provide a logical flow. Let's say all we have to say about what you term International Baroque in one place, not take up the subject again and again in every new section. Furthermore, this article was plagued by selective approach, as every new editor attempted to add more data about the country he lives in, without any regard for the structure of the article in general and the logical flow of the text. Please pity our readers. I don't want to see the article plunged into this sad state again. That's the reason why I set up Spanish Baroque, French Baroque, English Baroque as separate articles: everyone wishing to expand the coverage of these regional variations, should add new details to those articles and not here. If the editros like you will come here and add new details ad infinitum, I shall be forced to follow WP:SIZE and obliterate the coverage of all regional varieties from this article at all. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is to notify that having tried to communicate with Ghirlandajo in all the ways in my hand (writting here, in his talk page and in his talk page in Russian Wikipedia), and havig received no answer to my arguments, I proceed to resore my last edition and remember Ghirlandajo the oficial policy Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. I will not accept latter accusations of "revert warring" if not answered.--Garcilaso 14:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Garcilaso, I don't contribute in this project as actively as I used to be, but if you continue revert warring, I will be forced to leave this particular page in disgust, although my expansion of the page is far from being over and I entertained plans of rewriting sections about Baroque architecture in Central Europe, Ukraine, and Russia. For the umpteenth time, once I start to expand an article that had been neglected and required cleanup for months, there appear editors who start to push their own POV by hook or by crook. I see that you still fail to understand that it's normal practice to branch off important subjects into separate articles. I don't know why you persist in your efforts to put some dubious assertions into this generalized account of vernacular Baroque styles, rather than to enlarge upon the subject in Spanish Baroque or Spanish architecture. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]