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Of note right now

Tulsa's been featured in Stars and Stripes! It's the military newspaper that caters to US forces overseas in Europe, the MidEast, and the Pacific. Tulsa got a full-page feature in the travel section... check out page 35 of the April 6 issue, European edition. You can download a PDF from this link (will disappear in roughly a week, 9 MB download).--DUc0N 07:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The Tulsan

UPDATE 12/7/05: INASMUCH [UNNAMMED] REFUSES TO ALLOW ME TO EDIT THE DISCUSSION BELOW, AN UPDATE: As the sole proprietor and and editor of TheTulsan, I am sincerely thankful that no further attacks have been forthcoming from Mr. Ironic Last Name (that is a joke, hahaha!) My advice regarding moving to T-town or Oklahoma has changed: I encourage all brave Americans of strong heart and fierce independence to move here and join the struggle! It is amazing to me that Mr. Ironic Last Name thinks the discussion about his failed attempts to censor lil' ol' meeee is worthy of archiving . . . I move to delete the discussion regarding who (indeed) kept removing TheTulsan. UPDATE 12/13/05: I 2nd the motion . . .

Whoever keeps editing out the link to The Tulsan needs to get a life. This is what one gets, people, in Tulsa. These people think the world revolves around them, and if anything is done to challenge them they are as close-minded as one would expect any podunk backwater to be. I have debated all comers on all forums available, and the opposition loses every time. My advice to anyone thinking of moving to Tulsa or Oklahoma is DO NOT DO IT. The town is dying, the state is backward, and a lot of the people are the self-righeous narrow-minded clods one would expect.

See the above section. I should also make you aware of our Wikipedia:Three revert rule and Wikipedia:No personal attacks policy. Also, if you vandalize this talk page once more I will block you. -- Hadal 16:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Obviously I agree with the removal, as I did it first. Move to keep thetulsan.com off wikipedia. Danlovejoy 16:49, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, sure you do Dan. I have been critical of your right-wing agenda, your friends, and your party. If The Tulsan is soooooo awful, why did I have to beg your right-wing buddy Michael Bates to remove it from his site after it had been there for YEARS? I apologize for defacing your comments, misguided or not. It was wrong of me to express my frustration by removing his attempt to cast dispersions on my abilities and usefulness of The Tulsan. That is ssoooooooo Tulsa Whirled of you Dan!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means. I understand how having your site removed could be frustrating and make you want to lash out, but I would implore you to moderate your tone for the sake of congeniality.

My ideological leanings and associations are not relevant to this discussion, but you really have gotten them wrong nonetheless. I don't even live in Tulsa, and I had never heard of you before I deleted your link from the Tulsa entry. I have met Michael Bates one time, but I don't really understand (nor care about) his role in this "controversy." We don't speak regularly. I don't have any particular agenda with regard to Wikipedia, and my poltical leanings are not so simply distilled as "right wing," although that is a convenient label.

The great thing about the web is that anyone can put up any old tripe they want. That's why I'm allowed a site! But it also means that people can pick and choose what they link to. I think the community will agree with me that your site doesn't meet Wikipedia standards. However, since you accuse me of ideological bias, I will not remove your link again. Someone else should, and probably will. Danlovejoy 20:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Inasmuch as these comments are for the record, please note: Dan LIED when he told Wikipedia that 'most of the links are broken.' Which brings us to the second LIE, that the 17th was the first time he had seen The Tulsan, he in fact defamed The Tulsan on the 11th when he also deleted the site. Which begs the question, Danny-boy: ya see something one time, and decide it is unworthy, unprofessional, profane, and non-notable? Quick study, guy! Dan, I am willing to let this go, but I am very angry at your behaviour, and wonder if the OC knows how you are spending your time picking on lil' me. An apology would go far in helping me get over this. :)

PLEASE leave the discussion intact rather than just chopping out sections from the middle so no one knows who said what, or when.

Well, lovely. Now we have veiled threats. My edit history is open for anyone to view (including my boss). The site I removed on the 11th was ShopTulsa.com, as you would have seen instantly if you had bothered to look. As for your threat, I feel pretty good about my position at my work, so if you'd like to write to my boss and ask her "how she feels about [me] spending my time picking" on you, I encourage you to do so. Trust me, you are not even close to the craziest person she's ever dealt with. Danlovejoy 02:54, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oooooooohhhhh . . . I see it now. Sorry for the misunderstanding! My bad! You did not delete thetulsan on the 11th or say that it is mostly non-working links. I issue total retraction on the remarks above. Your job is safe! :)

NOTE: I added a 'k' to the word 'working' in the post above

Someone decided to remove the "demorilizing"(sic) comment at the top of this thread. I have reverted. In case that person is reading this: Please consider the talk page inviolate unless you have an EXTREMELY compelling reason to edit it. It's a record of the consensus (or lack thereof) that brought us to the current article.

Entertainment and Attractions section

I've made a major edit, in an attempt to start pulling together sections and miscellaneous mentions of things to do in Tulsa. I hope, by pulling it all together, it will make the article flow better and make it easier for readers to get a comprehensive overview of Tulsa's offerings. --N35w101 08:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

America's Most Beautiful City?!

Does anyone know the source of this motto? I found some indication that it was a Readers' Digest contest in the 1950s. I'm dubious of superlatives and wonder if anyone has heard Tulsa called "America's Most Beautiful City." Danlovejoy 00:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

• A quick Google turned up a whole plethora of cities claiming that motto, even some in Canada. Interestingly, Tulsa was the first hit. I've never heard of Tulsa being referred to in that way before.--N35w101 17:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Excerpt from editorial, "Tulsa can compare with best U.S. cities" by Jim Sellars, 9/30/1992, The Tulsa Tribune

"A little research revealed that the title of America's most beautiful city came from a 1957 Reader's Digest article, a bit of happy puffery that was the payoff for some attentive wining and dining of the author by local civic and business leaders. There also was a nugget of truth in that article which is extremely important for this city today, and it has nothing to do with titles.

"Tulsa east of the Arkansas River in 1957 didn't go much beyond 41st Street, much past Sheridan to the east, or Pine Street on the north. Visitors saw a tight little town dominated by the ostentatious, baronial mansions built in the '20s, when oil was king and Tulsa's other title, Oil Capital of the World, made more sense."

TulsaTV 19:50, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

A 1957 Chamber of Commerce magazine-style brochure ("Tulsarama") uses the title. The Reader's Digest reference was in the June 1957 issue, if I recall, and said that Tulsans claimed the title of "America's Most Beautiful City" -- not that they'd been awarded the crown. I remember hearing the phrase used through the late '70s as I grew up in Tulsa. Michael Bates -- 07:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Michael! Good to see you on the Wikipedia. Glad people could make that clear. Tulsa IS a beautiful city. Danlovejoy 20:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Americas most beautiful city? I think this is highly laughable, I am surprised Americas most beautiful city has virtually no tourists.

Count Basie in Greenwood in 1927? Doubtful.

Hard to believe that 6 years after the burning of Greenwood that it was rebuilt enough to include a dance club that would be the site where Count Basie decided to 'focus on jazz'. I think this merits an actual reference.

LOl! Tulsa is one of America's stinkiest cities! You can smell the feces from Riverside for miles away. The stench of that river is as sickening as the bigoted, fundamentalist society it flows by.

I have to agree

RE: Count Basie in Greenwood in 1927? Doubtful.

Actually, Basie began playing jazz after that visit in Tulsa, being impressed by some local pioneering jazz performers. And the odor of the Arkansas River had nothing to do with it, I'm sure. But considering how quickly the Empire State Building was erected, why is six years not enough time to establish ONE night club? Go play in the traffic, kiddo.

Shameless!

I love Tulsa. Spent half of my life there - off and on.

But! Wikipedia in not a commercial or a Chamber of Commerce presentation. As this article currently stands, it reads like a brochure. There is no doubt that most of the info, facts, figures, etc. need to be here and available, but without all of the spin.

The descriptions of some of the districts and neighborhoods are fine(need a little more current info), but the sections on 'Midtown' and 'South Tulsa' are embarassing. If I didn't know better I would think I was reading a 'Dining & Shopping Guide' pamphlet. Pottery Barn?! Krispy Kreme?! You should be ashamed. Don't misunderstand me, I love to shop there and eat donuts with the rest of the yuppies, but this stuff does not belong here unless it contributes to the article. I found at least three exclamation marks(!) - with very specific exception, these don't belong in articles on Wikipedia! Except on Talk pages! Everyone knows that inventive small businesses are going to try to slip in a blurb now and then about 'Joe Bob's Used Cars', but this stuff is blatent and systematic commercial propaganda. Shameless!

And, while I'm on my box, if you don't know anything about a certain part of town (probably because you don't go there), then don't patronize the people who do live and work there. Leave that section blank and invite others to add to that section. Don't just spout out the first thing that comes to your mind. Why? Because it comes off like: "here's the black side of town, and, oh yeah, over here are the Mexicans". I now what the author was trying to say, but that's not how it came out.

I will continue to work on this page and try to make it worthy of the Great City of Tulsa, but others with knowledge and resources in these area need to be found to contribute. If you have verifiable facts, by all means, contribute. If you have spin, get a job with the Chamber of Commerce or the Tourism Office. If you support or have a legitimate arguement in opposition to this article, by all means speak up. I am always up for a good debate and not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.--Master Scott Hall 19:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Why Tulsa Companies are better than any other cities

Its really a great place to live

I dont know how great it is, Phillip Petroleum, Citgo, Sunoco, Vintage, Wiltel bought out by Level3(they didnt buy the building) plus many more have left. if Williams and American Airlines go South the city is in big trouble,because they are all Tulsa has right now other than a small metal fabrication industry.

Its great if you enjoy the boring life and life on the "plains" they don't call it the plains for nothing.

Williams Co.

Williams energy company is rumored to be moving their headquarters to Houston Texas in coming years, They already occupy 40 stories in the Williams Tower in Houston.