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Glencore: French & German pages
- Glencore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wiki6789 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hi there. I'm trying to make some improvements to the French and German Wikipedia pages for Glencore in order to make them more balanced and correct any factual inaccuracies. In the interest of transparency I am declaring that Glencore is my client. I have successfully worked with the editors of the English page and am now trying to engage the French and German editors on the relevant talk pages (French:https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Glencore and German:https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencore) but have had no response. Is there any French or German speakers I could work with to discuss these edits? Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki6789 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)Jytdog (talk) 05:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
- I applaud you for following guidelines for altering Wikipedia, however I fear that (at least as regards your French requests) fall out of line with Wikipedia rules as regards White-washing. That said... the English page seems to cover the company differently, so you may be right, and in that case you may want to provide sources for your opinions rather than mere arguments. Even if they are logical, you need sources to back up your claims. Jeremy112233 (Lettuce-jibber-jabber?) 04:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
NQ Mobile Inc.
- NQ Mobile Inc. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dr. Henry Yu Lin, PhD (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Rgeurts (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This editor has edited ONLY on topics related to NQ Mobile Inc. and its CEO Dr. Henry Yu Lin, PhD plus a few other edits around the same subject. I believe that this is a single-use account and the editor is closely related to NQ Mobile and/or its CEO. I don't think that it was a great article to begin with, and some of these edits are useful, but it does seem somewhat promotional in tone and omits some (possibly controversial) information that was in there before. Shritwod (talk) 13:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello Shritwod,
I do not know the CEO Dr. Henry Yu Lin, PhD aside from what I found on the web while contributing to the NQ Mobile Inc. page and I have no affiliation with the company. I'd planned on researching 2013 and 2014 in order to bring the article/page up to date but if what I've done so far is not good/promotional then I'd prefer to fix it first. I've looked at the Microsoft page and was trying to get ideas from there but didn't know enough about the company's history so thought a good first article/page would be to just put significant events or milestones and fill in the awards and recognitions. Then perhaps later someone will help/contribute to make the information more cohesive.
Rgeurts (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
- There's an AFD underway for Dr. Henry Yu Lin, PhD, but it's probably going to end with "Keep"; he has verifiable notability. But the "Dr" and "PhD" have to go; that's being discussed at the AfD. I added a section to the NQ Mobile article about their stock crash and accusations of inflated revenue. John Nagle (talk) 19:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've done some investigation on this company, and one thing that is notable is that the stock has been on a rollercoaster ride recently, mostly downwards. Some of the financial indicators are looking weak. There's been a lot of negative comment on investor boards (although you could argue that is fairly normal). Now, I will admit that the article for NQ Mobile was in poor shape, and Rgeurts has certainly improved it, but it does seem to be a very polished and positive spin on NQ Mobile. Now this is where I get suspicious - the article and references are very good (although arguably it misses out negative comment) which indicates some experience in writing this sort of information, but the way that Rgeurts uses Wikipedia does not indicate an experienced editor. This makes me think that the article itself has been sponsored or paid for in some way, given the unusual fact that Rgeurts has only edited on this subject and nothing else. The pattern doesn't add up - most people do some tinkering first before doing a major overhaul of an article, but Rgeurts has leapt right on in there. Shritwod (talk) 22:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- The article does look rather promotional. Rgeurts (talk · contribs) leaps in whenever something is done to make it less promotional, yet edits in no other areas, which tends to raise questions. As for the company, there's suspicion in the press that something funny is going on, and reports of an SEC investigation. Lots of acquisitions, but where's the revenue? [1] John Nagle (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- SeekingAlpha has a diverse set of articles on NQ Mobile [2] which a somewhat contradictory, but do indicate that there are a bunch of people who claim that there is something fishy going on and a bunch of people who claim that everything is above board and legitimate. I don't know which of those points of view is correct, but it does indicate that there is concern about this company and its operations. And of course if you Google them one of the first things that you'll see is that article. I'd hate to put off a potentially good editor like Rgeurts if I'm wrong about my suspicions. But the editing pattern plus the background information about NQ Mobile definitely makes me go "hmmmm". Shritwod (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Shritwod, I saw the SeekingAlpha blogs and a few of the headlines were real grabbers so I had to click on them but after reading a bit it felt like tabloid journalism and they all seemed biased one way or the other. Just my personal opinion. Rgeurts (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- The SeekingAlpha articles are all opinions rather than news articles as such, but I think that they demonstrate the diversity of opinion on this company. Shritwod (talk) 10:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- This is my first time contributing and I wish I was being paid! Are you guys really this suspicious? I've worked hard to find information about this company and compile it here. I didn't find any SEC investigation but I did find the SEC papers/20f which I looked into and I see Nagle found it useful as well. Rgeurts (talk) 00:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Bert Martinez (2)
Continuation of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 79#Bert_Martinez
- Stuart Styron (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fasterthanyou123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) self disclosed as Stuart Styron, also repeated edit of Emilysantoss on Arnsberg [3] [4], image uploader, [5], disclosed offwiki coordination with at least one more account (account name(s) not yet disclosed) : potential WP:MEATs from that:
- Emilysantoss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) potential MEATs/paid editor of Fasterthanyou123 coordinated by his "management" per disclosure [6] [7]
- Ed Lane (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) potential MEAT - article creator of Stuart Styron's Timezone Records "
- Happydit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked promo editing
- Cristine nickol (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 178.9.131.6 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Bisswajit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MehulWB
- Thisisdipam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MehulWB
- Vezzoso (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - new account started "waste of time", "irrelevant" SPI on User:Logical Cowboy/User:Careful Cowboy Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Careful Cowboy/Archive after Logical Cowboy tagged article [8]
- Timezone Records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) User:Ed Lane weak redlink argument and keep vote Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timezone Records.
- Fasterthanyou123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) self disclosed as Stuart Styron, also repeated edit of Emilysantoss on Arnsberg [3] [4], image uploader, [5], disclosed offwiki coordination with at least one more account (account name(s) not yet disclosed) : potential WP:MEATs from that:
- Dylan Ace (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Emilysantoss removed maintenance tags (AfD Deleted in 2007 suggested A7 candidate)
- Draft:RBoptions (edit | [[Talk:Draft:RBoptions|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) User:Emilysantoss
- RBoptions (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked usernamevio
- Lorenzo Belenguer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) User:Emilysantoss moved declined AfC to articlespace
- Lorenzo Belenguer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- LondonArt2010 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) removed COI tag [9]
- Andrea Magro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) User:Emilysantoss created
- Walterlan Papetti (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walterlan Papetti "known paid editors" - see below)
- Walterlan Papetti (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) sockmaster: see comments in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Walterlan Papetti/Archive User:Servergurus since renamed User:GuruDavidL
- GWEN ROBBANA (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked sock (created 2014-09-19)
- Natashahuart (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked sock (created 2014-09-20)
- Cutemaryjane (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) technically unrelated to Walterlan Papetti (created 2014-09-21)
- Walterlan Papetti (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) sockmaster: see comments in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Walterlan Papetti/Archive User:Servergurus since renamed User:GuruDavidL
- Thoughtful Media Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) User:Emilysantoss created (another editor has a COI but not listing here as they don't fit the profile)
Behavioural evidence
- Set of almost SPA accounts (plus a few experienced editors) with the same editing overlapping articles to known paid editors - Fiverr.com, User:Morning277
- Promo edits
- Articles: Non-notable, promo
- Weak / non-RS sources - PR
- Removal of maintenance templates
- AfDs: Weak Keep arguments, sometimes with canvassing/SPA voting
- Canvassing/SPA voting at:
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aliceffekt links accounts: curious Delete - User:Popnrock User:Emilysantoss User:101.61.177.148 User:Chastized User:108.92.216.138 User:Ianjoy8311
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walterlan Papetti Emilysantoss , User:GWEN ROBBANA blocked sock of User:Walterlan Papetti, User:Servergurus (positive Fiverr editor per offwiki evidence), User:Cutemaryjane , User:Natashahuart
- Canvassing/SPA voting at:
Widefox; talk 11:57, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- Most of the articles in question are now at AfD. Some have been deleted. John Nagle (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Just for the record, I started working on the articles after I noticed them on the new article list? Not sure what I have done wrong here? What does MEAT mean? Ed Lane (talk) 14:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- WP:MEAT. So, for the record, User:Fasterthanyou123 and User:Ed Lane:
- Are both WP:SPA editors, promotional only accounts editing: Stuart Styron and Stuart Styron's Timezone Records
- User:Fasterthanyou123 has disclosed they have a COI, edits his biography Stuart Styron, coordinates (offwiki) with other people and editors but has refused to state which accounts or edits, possibly letting others use his account, and considers his "right" for him and his "management" to use this WP article as business promotional material in social media (some interpretation of the English needed at User_talk:Fasterthanyou123)
- Use similar language "Sir" [10] User_talk:Fasterthanyou123
- It is not only WP:DUCK, but disclosed as happening! Widefox; talk 13:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Again, I have no contact with user Fasterthenyou123, or I know this person at all. I took intrest in the pages after they showed up by searching for it. Besides that I'm an unique account, feel free to test that. Ed Lane (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- You created a non-notable label article, replaced Sony BMG with that label (instead of adding) on an article, incorrectly removed the Speedy tag, moved it during the deletion process, at the AfD 1. invoked weak arguments 2. made a bogus claim of 50 incoming links (when there was only 1 previously).
- Your comment here is from an IP located in Holland, which is geographically close to the label company.
- You turn up just when one of the label's artists is trying to prevent deletion of their non-notable promotional autobiography (now deleted) and has disclosed he coordinates with "management" on editing, and other editors. You uploaded one of his album covers [11] .
- This promo activity fits in with the set of articles created by the above promo / paid editors
- Each of those may be a coincidence, but together with your account not having made other edits
- You have not disclosed any connection with Timezone Records, Stuart Styron, being a paid editor, or whether you have had any communication / were asked to edit these. Widefox; talk 16:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Again, I have no contact with user Fasterthenyou123, or I know this person at all. I took intrest in the pages after they showed up by searching for it. Besides that I'm an unique account, feel free to test that. Ed Lane (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- WP:MEAT. So, for the record, User:Fasterthanyou123 and User:Ed Lane:
- Just for the record, I started working on the articles after I noticed them on the new article list? Not sure what I have done wrong here? What does MEAT mean? Ed Lane (talk) 14:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Correct, I use a Dutch IP (VPN) and a UK based IP (Level3 if you with to know). I started editing the articles at the moment I notice them, I did not get paid to do any edits. I moved the an article cause the name was wrong, is that a crime? I changed the label on the article since the artist changed label. I thought that was ok for Wikipedia right? You want CORRECT information?
- I can't disclose being a paid edittor since I'm not, besides that I'm not connected what so ever to Timezone records. Ed Lane (talk) 18:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
sgs.com
- Caroline347658 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Peter56788 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Anna8325 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The three accounts are of exact same behavior: pop up once a year plugging in a link to sgs.com and a couple of innocent wikilinks. Even user names are similar (a typical "random...Not" numeric combination, but this may be the case with any drive-by editors, I reckon).
I reverted their abuse, but I leave it to COI-experts for official dealing. -M.Altenmann >t 04:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- sgs.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- Ana9876789 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)
- Thomas467896 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)
- Tino65789 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)
- at least
- This needs to go to SPI/Checkuser for further investigation (no time to file now). MER-C 13:05, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- SPI filed: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vicky4567. MER-C 07:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- I'm going to need some help removing these links. If you find any more accounts, please add them to WT:WPSPAM so I can block them. MER-C 05:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- It looks as if you got them all, MER-C. You could probably add VickyMa84 to the list above. Did the others also add links to .wwindea.org? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- I'm going to need some help removing these links. If you find any more accounts, please add them to WT:WPSPAM so I can block them. MER-C 05:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- SPI filed: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vicky4567. MER-C 07:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Whitehawk_F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Whitehawkfc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
mentioned affiliation with this edit [12]. Could you guys please check if he was valid to remove sourced material about a price matching scandal involving two players of the following football club? WP:SYNTHESIS? Avono (talk) 15:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, there's a clear violation of user name policy and an admitted COI issue. John Nagle (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Reverted his second deletion, put a warning on his talk page, and added a note about commenting on talk rather than editing directly. Let's see what happens. John Nagle (talk) 19:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Link building (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Hnancy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- HusnainMeerzadeh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
An WP:SPA intended to add links of moz.com. When I told him to stop link addition of moz.com he then started adding links of searchenginejournal.com which again contains backlinks of moz.com in its every article. He says that updating this article is his homework project. - Rahat (Talk * Contributions) 04:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- The additions seem to have been reverted. Adding an ad for a book on search engine optimization is a bit much. John Nagle (talk) 04:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hnancy (talk) 05:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)Hello that I am an informatics student at UW and it is really my class project to edit a wikipedia page. Previously I tried to make a new topic called "link popularity" but later I adopted teacher's advice to work on the link building page. Moz didn't pay me at all and I even never heard of this company before. I accidentally used the resource from searchenginejournal because I think it is authentical and it has the resources I needed(I didn't realize that it has backlinks to Moz.)i actually could't finish my homework right now because I couldn't add new contents to the page. I am now editing the conflicts section and I try to add a brief section called "link building tactics" (which is highly related to link building I think). I hope I can finish these edits today so I am able to turn in my homework.
- I see what's happening. Apparently some clueless instructor told his students to go edit some articles. The instructor didn't set up a school project for this, as required by Wikipedia:Student assignments. So the student effort looks like a spam job, and the students are being hammered with warnings, threats of blocks, being sent here to WP:COIN, and there's even talk of sending this to WP:AN/I. I suggest that WP:BITE applies. If it looks spammy, revert, but explain why in detail, rather than escalating the threat level too much. I put a long explanatory message on User Talk:Hnancy for that reason. To the students involved: get your instructor to read and comply with Wikipedia:Student assignments. Aiming a class at Wikipedia without prearrangement leads to messes like this. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 06:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Appreciate the steps taken by John Nagle. But should I revert any reference link addition in Link building article which contains moz.com as back-link? The editor has added a new link as reference to the Link building article. I have gone through the new link and again found that contains an external to moz.com. - Rahat (Talk * Contributions) 07:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- If the editor continues ignoring the issues, then we aren't bound just because it's a homework assignment. WP:BITE is useful when dealing with students in trying to help them out, but WP:NOTTA is very clear: "As always, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and WP:BITE apply, but student editors should be treated in the same way any new editor is treated, without any special considerations that other editors do not receive." If the additions are indeed inappropriate, then continue as if they are a normal editor. There is no deadline, and if the editor cannot meet their course deadline, the professor will just need to be made aware of why. If it continues to a be a problem, WP:ENI would be the place to go. Kingofaces43 (talk) 07:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- True. They've been given explanations and warnings. Also, adding links to an article on "link building" is inherently a bit questionable. John Nagle (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- HusnainMeerzadeh (talk · contribs) may be in a similar situation. See their edits. If there are two, there may be more. I put a note on WP:ENI#Class on search engine optimization editing Wikipedia? asking if anyone can locate the instructor. John Nagle (talk) 02:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- True. They've been given explanations and warnings. Also, adding links to an article on "link building" is inherently a bit questionable. John Nagle (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- If the editor continues ignoring the issues, then we aren't bound just because it's a homework assignment. WP:BITE is useful when dealing with students in trying to help them out, but WP:NOTTA is very clear: "As always, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and WP:BITE apply, but student editors should be treated in the same way any new editor is treated, without any special considerations that other editors do not receive." If the additions are indeed inappropriate, then continue as if they are a normal editor. There is no deadline, and if the editor cannot meet their course deadline, the professor will just need to be made aware of why. If it continues to a be a problem, WP:ENI would be the place to go. Kingofaces43 (talk) 07:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Appreciate the steps taken by John Nagle. But should I revert any reference link addition in Link building article which contains moz.com as back-link? The editor has added a new link as reference to the Link building article. I have gone through the new link and again found that contains an external to moz.com. - Rahat (Talk * Contributions) 07:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- I see what's happening. Apparently some clueless instructor told his students to go edit some articles. The instructor didn't set up a school project for this, as required by Wikipedia:Student assignments. So the student effort looks like a spam job, and the students are being hammered with warnings, threats of blocks, being sent here to WP:COIN, and there's even talk of sending this to WP:AN/I. I suggest that WP:BITE applies. If it looks spammy, revert, but explain why in detail, rather than escalating the threat level too much. I put a long explanatory message on User Talk:Hnancy for that reason. To the students involved: get your instructor to read and comply with Wikipedia:Student assignments. Aiming a class at Wikipedia without prearrangement leads to messes like this. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 06:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hnancy (talk) 05:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)Hello that I am an informatics student at UW and it is really my class project to edit a wikipedia page. Previously I tried to make a new topic called "link popularity" but later I adopted teacher's advice to work on the link building page. Moz didn't pay me at all and I even never heard of this company before. I accidentally used the resource from searchenginejournal because I think it is authentical and it has the resources I needed(I didn't realize that it has backlinks to Moz.)i actually could't finish my homework right now because I couldn't add new contents to the page. I am now editing the conflicts section and I try to add a brief section called "link building tactics" (which is highly related to link building I think). I hope I can finish these edits today so I am able to turn in my homework.
PR Agents on Jill Kelley and Paula Broadwell
The article on Jill Kelley has been suffering from PR agents over the last two years. Primarily, these are IPs from Miami, Florida where Jill Kelley lives but a recent one was from a mobile-hotspot in Dallas, Texas. The effort from the PR agents has been to whitewash Jill Kelley's biography from what the reliable sources say to Jill Kelley's version of the events using blogs or obscure sources that generally quote her directly. A new user named Wordasaurus has been here for a few years and recently reverted to the PR version. I checked their contribs and I notice that not only are they whitewashing Jill Kelley's article, they've been trying to slant the Paula Broadwell article to Kelley's point of view as well. Request a block on the editor, and semi-protection on the article.--v/r - TP 17:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
There's definitely an issue here, starting with attempts to stuff the subject's POV into the lead. Another new editor has shown up (Chewstokyo) but I'm not sure if it's enough for a SPI. --NeilN talk to me 22:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- @NeilN:, no need to bother, they're Confirmed (as is User:Yalebulldogs) and I've issued blocks as I saw necessary, and semi-protected Jill Kelley's article. Doesn't look like anyone has touched Paula Broadwell in a while, though... not sure there's a need to semi at the moment. Courcelles 22:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. --NeilN talk to me 22:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Heutagogy
- Heutagogy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stewart Hase (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Heutagogy is a concept invented by Dr. Stewart Hase of Australia. Editor Stewart Hase has recently made substantial changes to what was a tiny stub, including the addition of a number of citations of publications by Dr. Hase. Thoughts, anyone? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- It seems that heutagogy is just his term for self-determined learning, which is a recognized field predating the COI editor. I deleted most of his additions and put a note on the article talk page with some references for self-determined learning. This may belong under self-directed learning. John Nagle (talk) 06:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have boldy redirected to Autodidacticism.--ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- self-determined learning in this sense isn't just autodidacticism (I reverted the edit redirecting it to the latter). Although I'm not an expert on this by any means, my understanding is that heutagogy is a sort of academic study of self learning from a pedagogical (an unfortunately loaded term in this context) or teaching and learning perspective (a study of how it works and how it can be used in, for example, education rather than a phenomenon of someone teaching themselves something). Only responding here because the redirect mentioned COIN -- we can continue this on the article talk page if you like. Note that I'm not arguing that the article is good and certainly not that we should keep any of the COI edits -- just that from the sources I looked at when it was AfDed some months ago it did seem a notable topic. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. See my note on the talk page for a way out of this. There seem to be two topics involved - self-teaching outside an educational environment, and student-directed formal education. Heutagogy is at best a form of the latter. Right now, both of those subjects are covered at Autodidacticism, and probably need to be separated. They were merged in 2010. John Nagle (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- After reading a number of articles on educational terminology, I referred the problem to the Wikipedia education project: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education#Heutagogy, Andragogy, and all that. They have as one of their goals putting educational articles into some kind of rational taxonomy. John Nagle (talk) 07:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Good move! No-one is wrong here (and thanks to all for the input). It seems to be the lack of an article about self-determined learning that's making the choices difficult, and I'd support creating one, either by demerger or ex novo. I regret that I just don't have the background to participate in that. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- After reading a number of articles on educational terminology, I referred the problem to the Wikipedia education project: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education#Heutagogy, Andragogy, and all that. They have as one of their goals putting educational articles into some kind of rational taxonomy. John Nagle (talk) 07:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. See my note on the talk page for a way out of this. There seem to be two topics involved - self-teaching outside an educational environment, and student-directed formal education. Heutagogy is at best a form of the latter. Right now, both of those subjects are covered at Autodidacticism, and probably need to be separated. They were merged in 2010. John Nagle (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- self-determined learning in this sense isn't just autodidacticism (I reverted the edit redirecting it to the latter). Although I'm not an expert on this by any means, my understanding is that heutagogy is a sort of academic study of self learning from a pedagogical (an unfortunately loaded term in this context) or teaching and learning perspective (a study of how it works and how it can be used in, for example, education rather than a phenomenon of someone teaching themselves something). Only responding here because the redirect mentioned COIN -- we can continue this on the article talk page if you like. Note that I'm not arguing that the article is good and certainly not that we should keep any of the COI edits -- just that from the sources I looked at when it was AfDed some months ago it did seem a notable topic. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Silicon Valley Leadership Group
- Silicon Valley Leadership Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Carl Guardino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- LeadershipGroup (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- SVLG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 68.65.78.242 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Anon-liberal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sewrighter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This seems to be mostly old history, some of it noted by Dandv in 2013; putting it here for the record. Persistent SPA editing and copyright violation (e.g., 1, 2) by several accounts, some of them very obviously related to the topic and to each other. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- They used to be the "Silicon Valley Manufacturing Group", and when the manufacturing moved out of Silicon Valley, they became irrelevant. Under their new name, the organization lives on, but the web-based companies (Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) have their own lobbyists. Note that most of the press coverage is from the Manufacturing Group days. John Nagle (talk) 06:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Manulife
- Manulife Financial (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- KABannister
I’m an employee of Manulife and would like to help improve the accuracy of the Manulife entry. The article currently states that Manulife has 84,000 employees, which is inaccurate. Manulife currently has more than 29,000 employees and 53,000 agents under contract, which is an important distinction.
To improve the accuracy of the article, I posted to the talk page, suggesting that that an editor list employees and agents separately in both the infobox and the body text, but have not received a response.
For reference, I provided a link to the Company Overview on the Manulife website, which outlines the number of employees. Please let me know if you agree that this would be an appropriate update to the page. KABannister (talk) 17:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Updated article. Reference in article said 28,609 employees as of a few quarters back, so I put in 29,000. John Nagle (talk) 07:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
EidosMedia
- EidosMedia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Jan0345 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I believe Jan0345 may have a conflict of interest. The article has a history of being created and maintained by employees/contractors for the company. In this case, the editor has only edited this article, adding positive references and removing some negative ones. I asked the user whether he/she has a conflict on the user's talk page, but got no response. Muckrkr (talk) 12:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)