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Good articleWorld Trade Center has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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March 21, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
December 1, 2008Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article


Changing the status of the World Trade Center

I would like to change the "Destroyed" title to "Rebuilding" or "Under construction" please. 208.100.130.203 (talk) 16:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Destroyed, replacement under construction", maybe? Pinkbeast (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: Since this is a prominent field in the infobox and an alternative has been suggested, I will hold back on implementing this edit request. Please establish a consensus for this alteration before using {{edit semi-protected}}. Mz7 (talk) 04:35, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Go on, someone else, comment. It's very hard to get a consensus otherwise. :-) Pinkbeast (talk) 15:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Split of article

Recently, the article was split to two articles: World Trade Center (1973-2001) and World Trade Center (2001-present). I reverted the split, but I would like to have more opinions on whether the articles should be split, and whether the article would still be still worthy of GA class afterward. Epicgenius (talk) 02:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe that this has been discussed and rejected in the past. I guess we can look at it again, but I'm inclined to disagree with a split at the present time.--JOJ Hutton 02:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly agree with a split. Referring to both complexes in the same article is confusing to readers. Although it is the same site, they are two different developments consisting of different buildings in different locations. The absurdity of having them in the same article comes into focus when you consider that what replaced the footprint of One and Two World Trade Center was actually the memorial fountains, while what what symbolically replaced the Twin Towers was a new building on a different footprint with entirely different architecture. So it's very difficult to say that it's the "same" complex, other than the fact that it's on the same site. If we really want to talk about the destroyed and the rebuilt complexes as being on the same site, we should title this page "World Trade Center site," so it's clear we're referring to the site and not to the actual buildings in the complex. Resoru (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree, and it's worth referring to the giant discussion just archived by a bot. Unfortunately, while acting in good faith, Resoru seems only to have seen the first short discussion on the talk page. This, although titled "move", is effectively about a move-and-split.
I disagree because the buildings destroyed in 2001 are the notable ones. Many WTCs do not even have their own pages, and the replacement buildings gain notability primarily from being on the site of the destroyed buildings. A split would produce a faintly absurd situation - both with page titling (World Trade Center and World Trade Center (1973) when the old buildings are enormously more notable? World Trade Center and World Trade Center (20xx replacement) where the building that actually exists isn't World Trade Center?) and in page content, where the only interesting stuff on the page for the new buildings would be about the old buildings.
In my view, the page topic is the old, notable buildings (if I were master of the universe, the page would start "The World Trade Centre was", past tense). The new buildings are a piece of incidental information about the site. They may at some point become genuinely interesting in their own right (frex if someone blows them up, too, unfortunate as that would be). Pinkbeast (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree with a split. It is a complex of buildings currently being redeveloped. As for Pinkbeast, 1 WTC is the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere, so the suggestion that the new buildings aren't notable is a bit absurd. --Jleon (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly off the point, but that's only really because all the new tall buildings are in the Eastern Hemisphere - you're picking the group being compared with quite carefully. (And 1 WTC would be some way down the world list if it wasn't for the silly spire criterion). But you'd have to agree, at least, that the new buildings are much less notable, and that their notability stems primarily from being on the site of the old buildings? Pinkbeast (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Both World Trade Centers are notable. They wouldn't have articles if they weren't. (And I always assumed that the World Trade Center site was the article about the new WTC, so I thought that it was split already, but I guess not. It also talks about both WTCs.) Epicgenius (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly agree with a split. The new complex of buildings has already gained some notoriety, and it's safe to say that it will gain even more as it's completed and opened over the coming years. While it's true that many WTCs don't have their own page, it's also true that this isn't just any WTC - it's THE WTC, and the one replacing the well-known one destroyed in the 2001 attacks. To prevent people from being confused, it's a very simple matter of including something like, "this article is about the complex of buildings currently under construction in Lower Manhattan. For the original complex destroyed in the September 11, 2001 attacks, see World Trade Center (1973)," at the head of the article. Or if you really prefer, THIS article could be the main one and you could include a similar header and a link to a separate article about the new complex (World Trade Center (2011) ), or something to that effect. Either way, it just seems absurd to me to have one article covering two entirely separate complexes. They're two different complexes, they should have two different articles. It would be incredibly strange in the future when the new complex is completed and has been open for a while to have a picture of a complex that hasn't existed in decades. Whatever is done, SOMETHING needs to change about the opening paragraphs. It's downright weird to have "The World Trade Center IS..." followed by a picture of buildings that virtually every adult in the developed world knows were destroyed. ZarukAcerbus (talk) 23:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I support a split but I think it's more important to split the <N> World Trade Center articles than this parent article. The new complex is at least an in-situ replacement of the old one, but each new building is not in one-to-one correspondence with the old building that happen to share the same number, so yoking each pair into a single article makes no sense. A DAB page or hatnote for each is appropriate. 23:24, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
  • So I take it that there is no consensus? (The 1 and 7 WTC article splits, if ever performed, will be hard to do. They are GA and FA class, respectively. This one is extremely hard since it is being upgraded to FA standards now,) Epicgenius (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with split The article as it stands now is simply confusing. Looking at the comments above, all the points in favor of the split make sense to me while no cogent argument for retaining the single article has been presented (the new WTC is undoubtedly notable; the 250-some independent references in the One World Trade Center article speak to that). In addition to the points made already, combining the attributes of both old and new buildings in the same infobox is rather cumbersome. The only thing common between the old and new WTC are the location and name, which isn't enough to justify the weirdness that combining the articles entails. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with split. The article is 124,000 Bytes, well above the threshold for splitting... and it's only going to get bigger. Before 9/11 and after 9/11 may describe buildings and events that are arguably out of scope of the other. Before and after are two disctinct epochs in the site's history. – JBarta (talk) 22:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts

I believe that Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts should be inserted into the Rebuilding of the World Trade Center template in the history section. The Performing Arts Center does not link to an article. Robert4565 (talk) 15:32, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's the wrong center. Now, the article is created anyway. Epicgenius (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect title

This article is about one of many WTC's. Why does it then purport to refer only to that in New York? It must be retitled New York World Trade Center [sic].Royalcourtier (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Our guideline on ambiguous article titles indicates that the primary topic for an ambiguous name is the article to which a search for that term should lead. A quick English Google test shows that the WTC in New York is overwhelmingly the primary topic for this term in English. If users reach this page expecting another WTC, there is a hatnote at the very top of the article to help them find it. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:34, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please change the information (in the facts box) about 2nd building floor area from

"Second WTC: 1 WTC: 1,368 ft (417.0 m)" to: "Second WTC: 1 WTC: 3,501,274 sq ft (325,279 m2)" )

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