Talk:Havrå

I renamed this page from Havre, farm, Norway for several reason. The name was not standard wikipedia format (the ,farm , norway part of it), Havrå is an unique name (see Havre), after googling both havre and havrå, the havre (+osterøy) search led mostly to pages in Norwegian about the name change, while the Havrå search led to both English and Norwegian pages about the farm. Therefore I assume that Havrå is the standard name in English. The old name is now a redirect Eivind 08:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eivind, what background information do you have for changing the name of Havre to Havrå, except Google search?

You have removed the paragraph: The population from Havre and their descendants have strongly expressed that they have experienced the name change as a violation of their identity and their roots.

I understand that you have done this because you do not see this as a "neutral point of view" statement. However, there exists written documentation that this is indeed the case. It is of objective interest to know that the use of Havrå is against the will of the people from Havre. By leaving this important information out, the article is less in accordance with the Wikipedia neutral point of view policy.

Hei, as the article says the offical name is Havrå, and since there is no common English language name for it, Havrå is the name that is most in line with our guidelines.

On the removal of the line that says that the descendant objected (all of them?) to the name change, I did so because none of the references stated that. I see that some of them object, but unless we can find a source that states that all of the descendands object, I fear the line most either be rewritten or removed. I did modify some other text as well to point out the controvercy in a, in my opinion, more balanced tone. Please remember to sign your comments with ~~~~ in the future.

On a slightly unrelated note, I find it odd that the State insist on the name Havrå, I can't find any articles on the internet written by people who actually prefers Havrå to Havre. There has been a similar controvercy in my mother's home-kommune over offical names vs. names the local population prefers. It seems to me that this is a fairly common problem in Norway. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 10:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Eivind. I saw your editing in "This changing of name was accepted by the National Map Service, but the name change remains controvertial among the local population." Is this a neutral presentation? The controvesy in not between the population in Havre, or their descendants. It is between the population an their descendants and the accepting athorities. Authorities who have comitted countless mistakes in matters like this. I think your editing is giving the presentation an undertone that can be misintrepreted. I take for granted you would like yo be as fair as possible. I know I now plays the role of the devils advocate, and I am convinced you do not want to make the article appear biased. --84.202.4.149 23:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC) Sorry. I forgot to sign in (windows did not remember me)--Frode Inge Helland 23:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a second reading I can see that it can be read in different ways than I intended. Maybe we should add "...among the local population and their descendants, who largely prefer the older spelling." I'll wait for you response. In the meanwhile I'll try and sort out the referneces, so that they appear per WP:MOS. Thanks for you civil and mature response, tusen takk. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 06:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]