Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leelah Alcorn

Leelah Alcorn

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This is a classic example of a WP:BIO1E. Although Alcorn "wanted her suicide to create a dialogue about the discrimination and abuse of transgender people" wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. Also, even if Alcorn's suicide was notable, the article should not be a biography. St Anselm (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Article fails WP:EVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. No indication that death had any lasting significance on society. Article can always be re-created if that should eventuate. WWGB (talk) 04:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 04:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a notable event. Alcorn's death and the reaction is receiving coverage in multiple major media outlets (Daily Mail, Rolling Stone, Yahoo News, International Business Times, Huffington Post, etc) and spurring discussion and debate on Twitter. Regardless of whether Wikipedia is a place to right great wrongs or not, this is coverage of an event that came with the motivation to do so. Biographical style issues can be fixed; they were caused by someone removing the 'Reaction' section of the article, a change I plan to undo. Reddon666 (talk) 05:29, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But even if the event is notable (and I don't think it is), that doesn't follow that Alcorn is notable. St Anselm (talk) 05:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If that is what the community determines, the article can be retitled to Death of Leelah Alcorn rather than deleting it. Death of Eric Garner follows a similar pattern of a otherwise questionably notable person's death sparking media coverage and popular commentary. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:GNG due to coverage in multiple independent sources (refs 1, 3, 5, 6, 7 are mainstream news sources that clearly meet WP:RS). —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It seems notable enough, per Reddon666 and Scott5114. Maybe it should be moved to Death of Leelah Alcorn though, being primarily about a single event. Too soon to say for sure. Chessrat (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Belongs as an article, whether it's about the death of that individual or the person themselves, the event/person is ultimately notable. Whether to move or merge should be established in a later talk page discussion along with consensus. But in either situation, they're ultimately notable. The nomination needs to take account that we should not rush to delete articles and if they have a bit of good faith, would rescind the nomination. Tutelary (talk) 07:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not only is her death receiving coverage from multiple mainstream outlets, but legislation to ban conversion therapy has been proposed in her name, and a petition supporting it has been gaining signatures at a rate of, I think, about 10,000 per hour. Her death has triggered more than discussion and media coverage. It has triggered social movement and activism, which makes it a notable event. I would support renaming to Death of Leelah Alcorn. Coffee joe (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Then move it to Suicide of Leelah Alcorn. Seriously, Anselm, this is one of the worse AFD nominations i've seen in a while. It violates the event expectation of waiting a week before nominating an event for AfD, to see if there are lasting effects or not, not to mention that your entire deletion statement boils down to moving the article, something which doesn't need an AfD to perform. This is an utter waste of time. Silverseren^C 09:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and recommend against move to Death of Leelah Alcorn - this person's notability is not determined solely by her death, as there has been sizable media coverage both of the death itself and of her life proper. See refs 6 and 7, which meet WP:RS and establish notability of her life before her death. Jhugh95 (talk) 09:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but move to Suicide of Leelah Alcorn. The woman is not notable right now, but the event of her death certainly appears to be. Any coverage of her is always given in the context of the death. If coverage isn't sustained after this initial flurry, then fine, an AfD would be justified; but right now, it isn't. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS is also irrelevant here. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I believe notability of this person is not established at her death, persay, but by the resulting coverage and reactions it triggered. While this event may ultimately prove to be a small footnote in transgender relations, I think it still retains enough to stand on its own as an article based on the attention it drew. If an AfD should be pursued in future, I say wait and see what ultimately becomes of this media attention and if it leads to any greater changes/impact in the transgender community and the world at large. (Iuio (talk) 11:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC))[reply]
Delete no evidence of notability. Commenters should remember that depth of coverage is an important criterion, we merely have the same news on the death repeated in several sources. This in an encyclopedia and we have suicide among LGBT youth to cover the issue. Wikipedia is not the news and not a memorial site. Hekerui (talk) 13:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Suicide of Leelah Alcorn -- the event has evidently received plenty of coverage and will continue to do so for a while at least, and we have plenty of sources by now. It would be silly to delete it and recreate it shortly after. The event is notable, as these headlines say: Leelah Alcorn suicide note sparks transgender discussion and Suicide of Transgender Teen Sparks Heightened Advocacy for Trans Rights. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 13:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article fails WP:EVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. No indication that death had any lasting significance on society. Article can always be re-created if that should eventuate.--70.190.111.213 (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]