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In this article, it says Marilyn Monroe was set to star with Frank Sinatra in The Girl in Pink Tights. I have read in multiple books and on other websites that this films was simply called "Pink Tights". I think it should also be discussed that Monroe was suspended from Fox January 4, 1954 for her consistent refusals to show-up to begin filming Pink Tights. She was suppose to have returned to the Fox studios on January 20, 1954 to renegotiate her contract and film wardrobe tests for Pink Tights; but she again refused to appear. The role was eventually given to Sheree North, but I assume the film was never made.

On January 15, 1955, Monroe was suspended from Fox a second time for refusing to appear in How to Be Very, Very Popular and The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing. While studying at the Actors Studio, she was assigned to star in The Revolt of Mamie Stover, but turned it down, preferring "more dramatic roles".

I think Monroe's biography needs some definite cleaning up. It is quite choppy is some spots, but too long in others. It also seems that this article contains more of the "myth" rather than the "fact" of Monroe's life and career. The writers of this page definitely need to rethink their ideas and get back to the basics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.233.102 (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At the same time, I would like to see what is good preserved. I clicked on the birth certificate and learned that her mother's maiden name was 'Monroe'. I appreciate learning that. Then I saw that by clicking on the graphic of the birth certificate, you can scroll through the other pictures on the page. This is excellent and the pictures are well-chosen. The reader who suggests changes could create a Wikipedia ID and assist as an editor. In making changes, keep what is good. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this article is rated a "B class", therefore, it is not as bad as made out to be in the above comment by the ip. With that said, I am sure it could use some ce work for those who have the time. Kierzek (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
FYI (to myself) you can find out WP abbr. at Wikipedia:Glossary#I and then scroll down or use a 'Find' command, for 'ip': "An editor who contributes without an account. See also: anon." Thank me, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

religion

Monroe was not pentecostal. She was raised Christian Scientist by her mother and later converted to Judaism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.164.174 (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be some sources for this before slapping labels and categories on the article. The body of the article makes no mention of her religion. --SVTCobra (talk) 01:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a brief mention of the religion of Marilyn Monroe is appropriate and very interesting (to me and Wikipedia readers). It should be rather easy to verify and document. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I did a Google-search using search-terms [ religion of Marilyn Monroe ] and the most popular 'hit' is to Wikipedia, the Marilyn Monroe article and brings up "Religion: Pentecostal (1926–56), Judaism (1956–62)" which, when you click on the Google-search line, you find the details shown, in the lede. The second hit is interesting and brings in the relationship of religion, her shrinks, and politics/activism. This information, after proper documentation, could work into this Wikipedia article on Marilyn Monroe in Section Four, personal life, perhaps. IMO, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC) -- To wit: [1][reply]
You're probably right. Even after the "Personal life" section was trimmed of all the unsourced rumors, there's still more there about her extra-marital flings than her marriages. And while there is a hatnote to another article about her personal life, some more details could be added here, including something about her conversion to support the infobox. --Light show (talk) 04:34, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life photo suggestion

Feel free to upload an image of Monroe with Arthur Miller along with supporting text:

In the December 22, 1958, issue of Life, there is a candid by photographer Richard Avedon with the caption, "Photographer Richard Avedon feels this is the real Marilyn, a loving wife playfully kissing her brilliant husband, playwright Arthur Miller." Source: The Many Lives of Marilyn Monroe, by Sarah Churchwell, Macmillan (2004) p. 43.

The photo can be copied from here, and a non-free rationale such as for this photo could be used. --Light show (talk) 07:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see some problems with it; but if it was uploaded and used (through an accepted non-free use rationale), I think it would be more fitting for the sub-article: Personal life of Marilyn Monroe. Kierzek (talk) 04:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

name

So, when these "Jeane" and "Mortenson" came along? She was long known to have birth name "Norma Jean Baker". Even the 1996 movie was named Norma Jean & Marilyn, so at least back in 1996, the second name was without the second "e". And only mention about that version is Ashley Judd as the younger Marilyn, and by Mira Sorvino as the older Marilyn in the film Norma Jean & Marilyn (1996).
I'd like to know what is the history of these names. For example, our encyclopedia from 1970s has "Norma Jean Baker", so I assume that was the known name until at least mid-1970s, and probably to 1990s also, judging by the 1996 film. 82.141.117.146 (talk) 06:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that the "Portrayals" section also has this: Misty Rowe in Goodbye Norma Jeane (a highly fictionalized telling of Marilyn's early years) (1976)
I checked IMDB, and it has the title as "Goodbye, Norma Jean", so that should probably be changed. 82.141.117.146 (talk) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Mortenson thing is explained in great detail in the article. The Jeane vs. Jean is a well-known confusion. Jeane is what it says on her birth certificate, although, like many famous people, her name was spelled in a somewhat cavalier fashion. · rodii · 16:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it is explained. But, that section tells about 1920s only. The Mortenson thing was not known until 1990s/2000s, or was it 1980s already? So, when was the certificate found? 80.222.92.196 (talk) 08:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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