Talk:White genocide (Armenians)

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This article should be nominated for deletion. there's no such thing. If you choose to keep the name, redirect it to Armenian Genocide, and make a fotonote that it's AKA White Genocide. this makes it look like White People were killed by Turks. If that's not Weasly, I don't know what is. also, terms like "Armenians...never allowed to return" are false. There is a sizable Armenian population in Turkey including the Armenian Patriarch.

the white Genocide in South Africa. or is that going to be shushed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.20.151 (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

--Oguz1 18:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

theres already an article on this. plus white genocide is a term that racist kkk people use to whine about interracial marriage and how no one will be white in 2090 69.143.160.224 01:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be obssessed bout kkk you racist mutherfuker, 2090 you deneck!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.14.141.233 (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The first two comments serve as examples, if any were needed, why those with minimal skill and knowledge of the English language should try to refrain from making comments on English-language Wikipedia. "White" does not refer to "White race", it refers to something that has happened without the actual shedding of blood. Medieval Celtic monks talked about "white martyrdom" (exile from ones homeland) as an only slightly better fate to that of "red martyrdom" (death). Meowy 17:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh please it should also at least be noted in this article that TODAY white genocide is known as the concept that paranoid white nationalists came up with for the process of the percentage of whites in the United States decreasing to eventually 0 through immigration and interracial marriage. This article makes it seem as if no one means that when they say white genocide in today's world and they only mean the Armenian genocide when that is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.115.119 (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

SouthAfrican White Genocide. User:69.143.160.224 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.20.151 (talk) 20:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

(talk) How dare you ,paranoid, there is such thing as a white genocide and its multicultrialism despite what the political correct media and educational systems say and whites in America aren't the only white people.109.154.2.203 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

quote at the bottom

"Armenia is referred to by many in Armenia and in the diaspora as the “white genocide” (spitak chartuh)"

This quoted sentence doesn't make any sense. Is it even what the source said? The country of Armenia surely doesn't constitute a "genocide" according to the rest of the article--the term refers to assimilation of Armenians in other countries. 67.187.92.105 (talk) 19:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Silent Holocaust

I am patrolling article changes using Stiki and this recent addition to the page was flagged:

"Silent Holocaust - equivalent term for loss of Jews through assimilation" Due to the sensitive subject matter, I elected to bring it to the attention of the article talk page instead of making a judgement call. Andrew³²⁷ 07:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Racism and other forms of "White Genocide"

Look, this article is about something in Armenian history. That's it. It has nothing to do with this fringe belief. I will continue to delete and revert any content that is unsourced, poorly sourced, or off topic, like this edit. Andrew³²⁷ 19:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 April 2013

This edit, followed by this edit made 12 minutes before the protect, contain WP:FRINGE material unrelated to the subject, yet remain in the locked article. Blackguard 01:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

 Removed -- œ^™ 04:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge into Armenian diaspora

In the delete discussion, I had first suggested merging this article into Armenian genocide. However, this article does not refer to an event in 1915 but rather an ongoing cultural assimilation. Based on the delete discussion, it would appear that there's consensus for a merge to somewhere. I agree with User:Brambleberry of RiverClan's suggestion for merging this content into Armenian diaspora and making this article a redirect. Unless there's disagreement about my proposed merge, I am going to be bold and do this myself. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Who says its an event in 1915? The article does not claim that, nor do I. --Երևանցի ^talk 21:23, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support as suggestor. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 21:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose The term isn't only used for the Armenian Genocide, but also for the slow "de-Armenization" of Nakhichevan and even for Karabakh and Javakhk.

By the way, the term "white genocide" is used by white supremacists to describe what they claim "decline of the white race" (?) There is a number of books on that and it does seem to be a legitimate term, although racist for many, it is a real term. I suggest we divide this article into two sections! One about the Armenian usage and another section about how it is used by white supremacists. --Երևանցի ^talk 22:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

The proposal is to merge to Armenian diaspora instead of Armenian Genocide because it refers to more than just the 1915 event; the first part of your oppose implied that we were suggesting a merge to Armenian Genocide. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 22:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Why would we merge this with Armenian diaspora? As I said above, Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk are in no way diaspora for the Armenians. What about the white supremacist use. --Երևանցի ^talk 22:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

We would merge with Armenian diaspora because the term "white genocide" as used by academics refers to a bunch of people in Glendale losing their Armenian heritage. Please cite your "number of books" so I can tell you they represent a fringe belief and won't be used here. In any case, what does Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk have to do with any of this? Are these places outside of Armenia? Are the Armenians there losing their cultural heritage? Perhaps the academics discuss this. Please cite those references, too. The journals I looked at only talked about Europe and the Americas. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Armenians use that term for Javakhk, Karabakh and Nakhichevan, because Armenians of Nakhichevan were forced to leave (gradually, over the decades) and Armenians of Karabakh were harassed and many were forced to migrate because of economic conditions presumably kept low by Azerbaijan, while in Javakhk Armenians are often discriminated, according to some Armenians. They use the term "white genocide" for these. Armenians losing their heritage in California or elsewhere outside of the Armenian homeland is an example of white genocide, but Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk are not diaspora. Armenians didn't migrate there. Armenians living there just turned out to be outside of the current Republic of Armenia.

The phrase "number of books" concerns the white supremacists usage of the term. It's not hard to do a Google Books search, is it? Just type in "white genocide" and scroll down and you'll see a number of books about the white supremacist usage of the term, which has nothing to do with the Armenians. All I said was we can and perhaps should add a section of that. --Երևանցի ^talk 02:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree with the addition of the supremacist usage in this article. Sources say it exists and is used by a handful of people, but its inclusion is awkward, out-of-place and WP:UNDUE. Let them start their own white genocide article; it has no place in Armenian history. Blackguard 20:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I removed the white supremacist use section, but I'd like to hear others opinions too though. I kind of agree that it is used by a very few people. --Երևանցի ^talk 20:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Because it can even apply to Armenia as well. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

The Fringe theory

I don't know if this is the right place to go to because technically it's not about this article, but could there be an article on the hypothesis of White (as in European) genocide? It is a fringe theory, but it is a trope which has been mentioned by politicians across the West, and as long as it is written in a balanced neutral way, and not preachy or biased, it merits a place as much as Holocaust Denial, 9/11 Conspiracies, Young Earth Creationism etc. Tátótát (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

As you may have read above, I'm opposing that inclusion per WP:FRINGE. Just because a lot of people talk about young earth or denying the holocaust doesn't mean we have to discuss it in an article. The larger problem is that those inclusions result in a surge of edits fighting for one point of view or another. "White Genocide" (academically) refers only to Armenians integrating into American or European cultures. There are no reliable sources that say otherwise. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

However, 9/11 conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, etc. do all have articles, despite the concern about edit wars. But on the other hand, the mentioned reliable source thing does seem to be a problem here, whereas its not with those theories. mike4ty4 (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

The difference is that this conspiracy theory is not sufficiently notable to deserve its own article. When Oliver Stone makes a fringe movie or when Popular Mechanics writes a book debunking it, it might be worth inclusion in the same way that the JFK assassination and 9/11 have conspiracy articles. Andrew³²⁷ 10:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Look at white demographics

Governments of the West really are trying to cut down the white populations. Minorities get great paying affirmative action jobs while even college degreed whites are crushed by student debt and cannot afford more children. Instead immigrants flood into our countries!

They are trying to kill off white people! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.232.239 (talk) 01:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)