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Re editing of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Satwant_Singh_Dhaliwal

Thank you for directing me to teahouse.

I'd like to know if this is to be a complete re-write? Or if there are problems with specific parts of the entry?

jefferyseow (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]



Can We create a page for Vamizi Island.

Is it a unique topic to create a page on Wikipedia?Austinwatson206 (talk) 09:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Austinwatson206. As a geographical feature, the island is almost certainly notable, and Wikipedia would welcome an article about it. However, I notice that much of the online information about the island is related to the Vamizi Island Lodge and other vacationing opportunities. You don't want the article to focus on such matters (though it may mention them), since such an article may appear to have advertising as its principal purpose. Your primary sources of information should be things like this. Some of the references in the article Quirimbas Islands may also be of use. Deor (talk) 11:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please make an article about Strelka and Belka

Strelka and Belka were the first dogs to go into outer space , circle our planet for eighteen times and return to Earth safly. 85.154.12.214 (talk) 08:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We have a section in the article Soviet space dogs about Belka and Strelka :) Sam Walton (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

user contributions

Hello, I want to know if you contribute to a Wikipedia page then all of your contributions go straight to your user contributions page and can never be deleted am i right?Studentcollege (talk) 06:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Didn't you ask an almost identical question a few days ago, Studentcollege, and didn't you get the same answer then? And haven't you been warned about repetitive, disruptive questions at the Teahouse? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

knowledge graph

can registered wikipedia users and unregistered users create a knowledge graph for a famous person or does someone outside of the wikipedia company do the knowledge graph for them? Studentcollege (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Studentcollege: There is no "wikipedia company". Wikipedia is run by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation.
Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So basically all users from Wikipedia registered or not have nothing to do about the knowledge graph that is shown on google but the people that work for google contribute to the knowledge graph as well as using information from Wikipedia to add to the graph am i right? Studentcollege (talk) 05:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Studentcollege: Pretty much, yes - though Google usually presents the information through automated programs. Also, please don't place your signature on a new line. Simply add the four tildes at the end of your message. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

characters and tags

I need someone to slowly explain to me what the symbols below the edit window mean? Studentcollege (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Studentcollege: Those symbols are special symbols that aren't readily available on your keyboard, but that you may need to use at some point at editing. Clicking on one will insert that character into the editing box. For example, the first two are dashes; the one after is the degree symbol; the next two are a straight apostrophe and a straight quotation mark; then you've got the symbols for "approximately", "not equal to", "less than or equal to", and "greater than or equal to"; a few more mathematical operators; arrows; and a section sign. You can also use the dropdown menu on the lefthand side of the symbols to select even more symbols (Latin, Greek, IPA, etc.). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
can you easily explain to me what those symbols mean from one symbol at a time?


Studentcollege (talk) 03:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Studentcollege: If you mean – — ° ′ ″ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § then they all have Wikipedia articles or redirects so you can copy-paste them to the search box or click the links I gave here on the symbols. For the "Wiki markup" part, most of them are explained at Help:Wiki markup. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PrimeHunter has been exceptionally kind to you here, Studentcollege. If you are actually a "student" in "college", then you need to learn how to figure things out by yourself, instead of asking to have your hand held every step of the way. We emphasize kindness here at the Teahouse, but there is a point where kindness comes to an end, and warnings about disruptive behavior begin. Please ponder that carefully. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cullen I highly understand what your trying to say its just that iam a new user for wikipedia and when your a new user things that you dont understand meed to be questioned so the experienced wikipedia users can clarify it to you better.

Studentcollege (talk) 04:54, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Every single one of your edits so far has been here at the Teahouse, Studentcollege. We are here to help new editors learn how to improve the encyclopedia. When are you going to start improving the encyclopedia, as opposed to asking questions over and over and over again here? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Book notability

Would links to published reviews about a book aid its notability?

Lortoleva

Hi Lortoleva, yes published reviews by reliable sources are a perfect way to demonstrate notability. WP:NBOOK. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ip address

can you use an ip address as a username for a wikipedia account? Studentcollege (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Studentcollege: Welcome back. Your question has already been answered and reposting it won't accomplish anything. No, your username cannot be an IP and cannot resemble an IP address. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ip address

can you use an ip address as a username? Studentcollege (talk) 22:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. No, please see Wikipedia:Username policy#Inappropriate usernames, which includes as inappropriate: "Usernames which resemble IP addresses (as these are expected to designate non-logged-in users), timestamps or other names which would be confusing within the Wikipedia signature format." Note that there are one or two exceptions that have been made for by people whose IP address-like usernames have been grandfathered in. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So by your response I guess that means no i cannot use an ip address as a username am i right? Studentcollege (talk) 23:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is the meaning of "No" in the English language, in the context of your question. See above:
  • (you) can you use an ip address as a username?
  • (Fuhghettaboutit) Hi. No, please see...
--Thnidu (talk) 02:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl LIII

I want to know when will the Super Bowl LIII Article will be starting Because I Looked at the Dallas Morning News Website that They Will announce finalists for both Super Bowl LIII and Super Bowl LIV I Hope They Super Bowl LIII Article page will hopefully start in May and then the Super Bowl LIV Page will start later let me know when OK. Big Towel (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Big Towel, the articles will probably be created when there is enough information to start with and the whole thing isn't just speculation about where and when. You'll just have to keep your eyes open for the articles. Nthep (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How do you change a page's title?

I think this page Danny king-bisungu has a grammatical error in its name. This is written as 'King-Bisungu' throughout the article. Rubbish computer (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Rubbish computer. We change titles using the "move" function, which is explained at WP:MOVE. To do so, use of a registered account at least four days old with at least ten edits is required. We call such accounts "autoconfirmed". Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:19, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for welcoming me back and for explaining this. I don't know if it is you who has moved the page but thank you to whoever has done. Rubbish computer (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to cite video games as a reference?

As comic books and films are able to be cited; can video games? There is an approximate time that events occur in video games, or chapter titles; however the medium is obviously worth academic discussion and citation. Bullets and Bracelets (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bullets and Bracelets. I don't see why they shouldn't be; but I cannot think of a circumstance in which one would be a secondary source, so the restrictions on primary sources would apply. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Describing the plot summary of a game typically does not require a reference at all. --Jakob (talk) 16:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bullets and Bracelets: You can definitely cite video games themselves for sources, such as for plot elements. Care should be taken, however, that no original research is performed. As mentioned above, secondary sources are also preferred and should be used when available. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Video_games describes citing video games for video game articles; you can also use Template:Cite video game when citing video games. For an example of a video game being cited, check out the plot section for Luigi's Mansion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the template; I asked that citations for video games be illustrated on the page for citing sources. On a side note, do MLA APA or Chicago have in house ways to cite video games? Bullets and Bracelets (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bullets and Bracelets: No problem! I'm only a bit familiar with MLA, and I don't have the official book or anything to check, but I believe both either include instructions for citing video games, or can be easily adapted for them. A quick Google search brought up this guide for MLA, and this suggestion for Chicago. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 20:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Using other biographies as sources

Hi I am new and have read through WP:BLP but I don't come across something where it states Wikipedia is not allowed to use biographies from reliable sources? I want to make a draft for a BLP but I need clarity on whether I can use biographies from the likes of Billboard (magazine) and Contactmusic.com on a Wiki biography? Thanks. Slay A Bit (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, Slay A Bit. Billboard is definitely a reliable source, and I will look into the other one. Every citation must be evaluated in context, so Billboard in general is reliable for information about entertainers. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Contactmusic.com has professional staff and so is probably reliable in most cases. We are looking for sources with professional editorial control, and a reputation for accuracy in its field and correcting errors. We want to stay away from publications that push rumors and sensationalistic speculation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:28, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much Cullen328. Slay A Bit (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User Page design

Is it compulsory for experienced Users/Adiminstrators/Check Users to design their User Page . How do they create a Unique design with animations and graphics.CosmicEmperor (talk) 14:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Issues of standards with a list article, very poor written English and repeating information from other articles.

This List article has issues of being incomplete and problems of inaccurate information and repeating information in articles. There has been a long discussion in the talk pages. However, the original editor refuses to change information and there are problems with conflicts between British-English and the editor using incorrect written English using US informal speech patterns. I would like to progress to an AFD nomination for the article on grounds of notability, duplication of information and the inability of a very experienced editor to understand the technical issues of the background information and the overall poor Wikipedia standards. Would suggest an alternative course of action before progressing to an AFD nomintaion ? I would like to avoid an editing war. agljones(talk)Agljones 08:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good; you're not a raw beginner since you know to think of AfD as a late, perhaps even last, resort. Better to seek opinions from editors familiar with the matter at hand. Have you tried the relevant Wikiprojects? If I'm guessing right, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Isle of Man may have the topical knowledge that can help you more than we can, here in our cozy little Teahouse. Jim.henderson (talk) 08:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have considered a Peer Review and it is difficult finding an editor with sufficient technical background knowledge. I have referred the editor concerned to the Talk Pages where these issues are debated. However, after discussing in the Wiki talk:Motorcycling pages as you suggest that the opinion that the article is of insufficient quality the problem remains of having to deal with an editor that has repeatedly "stonewalled" issues and I wish to avoid an editing war. The problems have been complicated by retrospective deletions of related articles without referring to the AfD nominations procedure and I have also been subject to abusive personal attacks by other editors. agljones(talk)Agljones 11:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to the Teahouse, agljones. I have participated in thousands of AfD debates, and in my opinion, the chances that this list article will be deleted for the reasons you have mentioned are very slim. The solution to problem with use of American English is simple: edit the article to reflect British English usage per WP:ENGVAR. You don't need anyone's permission to do that. Similarly, if information is inaccurate, the solution is simple: edit the article to correct any errors, citing reliable sources. There is no requirement that a list article be complete at any given point in time. If it bothers you that the article is incomplete, simply edit the article to make it more complete, basing your edits on reliable sources. If previous editors do not understand the technical issues as well as you do, then edit the article to improve its presentation of the technical issues, based on what the best reliable sources say. The bottom line is that we do not delete articles on notable topics because of the type of problems you mention. Instead, we improve them through the normal process of editing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I got photographer Vithun Ravindran to mail OTRS about using his image (the full image was uploaded as File:RJ Balaji Hiphop Tamizha Adhi.jpg, and it was cropped into File:RJ Balaji Music Academy 2013.jpg), yet the cropped image was deleted while the original remains. No-one on Commons responded to this question I asked there. Can someone please explain what more I could have done to stop the deletion? Kailash29792 (talk) 07:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But now a formal mail has been sent. What now? Kailash29792 (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

conflict of (dis)interest with subject of potential article

I wish to create an article about a British theatre producer. He is in A C & C Blacks 'Who's Who' so has a public profile, but I was surprised to discover that he has no entry on Wikipedia. I thought I should address that. However, he produces a theatre company of which I am a part, so I have some involvement with him. Should I proceed or am I deemed to have some conflict of (dis)interest.Imamoca (talk) 10:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Imamoca. If you are part of a company of which he is a producer, you do have a potential conflict of interest. That does not prevent you from writing an article on him, but you need to be careful and transparent about it. Declare your conflict of interest on your user page, use the articles for creation process (I would suggest using the article wizard, in fact) and be ready to be reviewed strictly. You first need to find independent reliable sources which talk about him at length: don't put anything in the article which you haven't found in a published source. Note that Who's Who doesn't count as a reliable independent source, since the content is self-generated. --ColinFine (talk) 11:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pixel gun 3d

Miterrkids (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC) I wrote an article ten minutes ago and now it is gone. Can you help?Miterrkids (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Miterrkids, your article is not gone (yet) it is here Pixel Gun 3D. However it has been flagged for speedy deletion as it looks like its just promotion, and has no references. There is a message on your talk page that points this out. You can contest the deletion, but you'll need to be quick before it is deleted. You would also need to add some good references for it to be shown to be notable and not deleted. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 23:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

changing redirect

While editing a wikipedia article about a bishop with the surname Peterkin, I noticed that a quick search just for his last name (apparently fairly common for those of Welsh descent) always ended up in a start-class page for a 1939 film, Scrambled Eggs. After his sister was named one of the honoree women this year by the Library of Virginia, I quickly set up a page not only for her, but an additional one for the surname. Within 10 minutes of posting it (before finishing cleanup), someone patrolled it and marked it for notability. Personally, I think the redirect to the fairly unnotable cartoon character is the problem, but I don't know how to correct it.Jweaver28 (talk) 20:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I have edited the redirect to point to Peterkin (surname), which also does have an entry for the obscure cartoon. The trick to editing a redirect is that it takes you to the target page, and you then have to click the redirect note to edit the redirect itself. See WP:Redirect for more information. As I said to another editor recently, it's easier to do it if you know how to do it than it is to explain. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djeak

Dear teahouse,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djeak

He is a Real Person, Famous Person. What miss I so that this page is always gotten CSD A7?

with best regards,

Akorda KhanAkordakhan (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, Akordakhan. The only references in the article are to the person's own website. You say that he is "famous". If so, provide references that are independent of this person, such as newspapers and magazine articles that give him significant coverage. His own website is not useful for showing notability. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


is this to not enough ?

[links removed for copyright reasons. Drmies (talk)]

is now enough ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akordakhan (talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regards,

Akordakhan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akordakhan (talk • contribs) 18:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At first glance, those articles appear to be significant coverage, but I do not read Dutch. Perhaps a Dutch speaking editor like Drmies can take a look. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This has already been answered at WP:Help desk, as the editor is WP:Forum shopping. To quote User:TheRedPenOfDoom:
No. Local promotional event coverage does not provide "significant coverage of the subject by non related reliable sources." - Arjayay (talk) 19:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, no. The Zutphense Koerier isn't just a regional paper, it's also a weekly, and those are usually little more than advertising mediums whose reporting is limited to feelgood stories. Sorry, but this does not add up to significant discussion in a reliable source (I don't know what that first one was, of him holding his son, but that also does not constitute something that adds up to what we consider coverage. IN addition, we can't link to those things for copyright reasons so I'm going to remove them, and I'm going to delete the article. Sorry, but A7 applies: there is no reasonable claim to importance. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
[[User:|Bluerasberry]] I discovered that the Aerospike page has been identified as potentially non appropriate after publishing this request for help. Now i is clear on how to proceed. You have been very helpful and I appreciate your help.

178.23.8.227 (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How to improve Sources and Citations

First of all I would like to thank you on behalf of the Majestic Team who are working on the Wikipedia Page Project now in Draft at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Majestic_Search_Engine

We have been following advice and implementing comments review after review over the past weeks and wish to thank ColinFine who offered some very useful insights on how we should approach creating our Wikipedia page.

The recent review by Bluerasberry offered information as to why the page was not approved in the format we have proposed. The comment posted was:

"Please identify several sources which feature this product as their subject".

As all sources cited mention or feature Majestic, we would very much appreciate your support to understand what is missing or seen as inadequate.

We have based our proposal for a Wikipedia Page on an existing one for the Aerospike Database (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospike_database).

Your help and support is very much appreciated :)

Santejachille (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aerospike database is up for deletion because of concerns that "There are not sufficient sources to satisfy any relevant notability criteria" so probably not a good article to model another one on! Please also note that user accounts are strictly for individuals only, not company "teams" Theroadislong (talk) 18:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Santejachille Hello! Here is the most secure plan forward:
  1. Delete all sources which were written by Majestic or their financial partners
  2. Delete all sources which mention Majestic, but do not feature Majestic as an essential and unreplaceable example of the information given in the source
  3. Now delete all content which is not backed by a citation to some source.
When this is done, count the remaining references. If the article meets WP:GNG based on number and depth of references, typically 2-3 solid ones, then it is good to go live. Right now, it is not apparent that this article meets that standard. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article declined for importance

Hi, I submitted a value - Maria Kong, who are an israeli dance/theatre contemporary troupe. their work is registered and of great importance to israeli cultural development, they follow punchdrunk immersive theatre etc..

how can I prove this topic is of cultural value and worth a wikipedia page?? this has been the reason for the decline, I find it hard to prove....

thanks for any help and tips.

AKastelmacher (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article Draft: Maria Kong was declined, as it says, because it does not provide information about notability of the group. That is, why do other people want to read the article? I will also comment that the article needs copy-editing, and could have been declined on that ground also. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, AKastelmacher. The issue is not "is it important", but "have several reliable publishers (such as major newspapers) already thought it worth having somebody write at length about the subject?" If you can find several reliable sources, independent of Maria Kong, who have published articles about them, then you can reference these articles, and the draft will be acceptable. If you "find it hard to prove", this suggests that they have not (yet) been written about in this way, and a Wikipedia article about them cannot be sustained. By the way: sources do not have to be in English, but they must be substantial and independent of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 10:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page Name

Hi There,

I have just created a Wikipedia page.

It is my first page and is really a draft at this stage.

My name is Jack Picone. The Page is User:Jack Picone (Photographer). My question is why is 'User' before my name and how can I delete it so it just appears as Jack Picone (Photographer).

Any advice you can give me will be very much appreciated.

Best, Jack Jack Picone (Photographer) (talk) 14:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are two problems. The first, and less serious, is the one that you are asking about, which is that you entered the article in user space rather than in mainspace (article space). The more serious problem is that you tried to create an article about yourself. See the policy on autobiographies and the conflict of interest policy, and the violation of those policies is why your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regular visitor asking yet another question - sorry!

So I've been editing Newgrounds regularly since I joined, and I'm running into issues since information I need is blocked by my work's firewall, and I don't have time to edit at home-- There's benefit to be had from other hands on the article, essentially. No other regular editors frequent the article as far as I can see aside from the site's founder User:Tfulp, and I've already gauged the COI situation there on his talkpage-- he's a really beneficial and nonproblematic flavor of COI editor, and I just hope I didn't scare him off since he hasn't edited since I approached him... anyway, back to my question.

Is there a specific noticeboard I can go to in order to recruit editors for general-purpose improvement of an article, where there isn't a specific issue with the article aside from a lack of information or content to bring it up to snuff? BlusterBlasterkablooie! 14:25, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @BlusterBlaster: There may be more projects out there that I don't know of, but what you describe reminded me of Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement. It's a project where editors nominate articles to be collaboratively worked on for a week, with the goal of good or featured status. Articles can be nominated here. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

how can I be the official member of Wiki?

how can I be the official member of Wiki? 85.154.172.215 (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Declined article

Hi I am a first time author, but followed guidelines as i understood them and my article is being declined for formatting/layout issues.

Would you be able to help in the specifics of whats holding the article back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Barry_Hughes

Looking forward to your response

Thanks H.Johnstone15 (talk) 11:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First, the article apparently was meant to have headings, as it should, but the headings should be marked off with equal signs so that they are boldface. That is the most obvious layout issue. I haven't reviewed the references in detail, but I didn't see any footnotes in the article body, only a list of references at the end. When a fact is reported about the subject, it should be followed immediately by a footnote. I think that other editors may have other suggestions. The most obvious one has to do with boldface headings. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

i want to get an article in Wikipedia about the letter number combination c824767

I want to find a scientist that can show significance to the letter-number combination of c824767 so that I can compose a meaningful Wikipedia article about it.

I got the idea when I recently joined Wikipedia and I falsely thought that Wikipedia asked me to compose such an article.

I did compose a relatively informal if artistically interesting article (It linked this letter-number combination to the colour purple, amongst other things) but the WikiPatroll deleted it. Invoking the "patent nonsense" Rule.

Haha. I am otherwise likely to be labelled "overeducated" and can probably swing an article, especially after looking at the German WikiSpielwiese..... C824767 (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that your first introduction to Wikipedia might have been such a negative one. C'mon: Have a cuppa tea and a croissant. Relax. You are among friends. I am not sure of the meaning of c824767, but it might fall under the stricture of being a neologism. Read more at this Wikipedia page. Care to share some more here about this problem? Maybe we can help you. Regards, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand its connection to the color purple. I would truly be interested in reading your article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 06:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would take more than a mathematician showing some significance of C824767; his opinion would have to be published in a reliable source. That would certainly leave out the link to a particular shade of purple and the fact that it was your employee id. —teb728 t c 08:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considered for deletion

I have received a message saying that a page is being considered for deletion due to no "no coverage in reliable third-party sources". Sources have been added when page was created. Similar sources that have been selected by similar magazines. I am not sure what other "reliable" sources would be required? Or is this a personal matter concerning Huon's sarcasm? Please let me know what other sources would be required to prove it is a printed magazine?Madegray (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The page in question is Mafia Magazine. The sources that had been given (compare this revision) were not reliable third-party sources, but largely themselves, their publisher and their distribution company. Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspapers or reputable trade magazines discussing Mafia Magazine in some detail. For all I can tell, no such coverage exists, which means that Wikipedia should not have an article about Mafia Magazine. Mere existence is not enough; a subject must be notable for Wikipedia to write about it. Huon (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This link is a reference (citation) that is not written by mafia Magazine but an independent source that was featured in Mafia Magazine. Link: http://www.prlog.org/12106591-hip-hop-fashion-designer-michael-porter-featured-in-mafia-magazine.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 00:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PRLog is a press release distribution service. Press releases are not subject to editorial oversight and are not considered reliable sources. Huon (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to delete the page, Huon. You seem determined to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 01:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Madegray, Huon will not be deleting your article. An admin will do that after the deletion discussion has been open for 10 days and a consensus has been reached to delete it. It appears to be a foregone conclusion that will happen, however. I too could find nothing to indicate any notability for the publication. Perhaps it is just WP:TOOSOON. John from Idegon (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanation. We will withdraw our submission of Mafia Magazine and delete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 03:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May I post a temporary article in celebration of a six-month-iversary?

Hi, I was hoping to write a very short parody entry on Wikipedia. The contents will be of my and my girlfriend's relationship. Obviously, that is not strictly "notable", but this is very important to me, and it would mean so much to me if the editors could overlook this article. I would post it on the date of the "anni"versary, then remove it on the next day. Would that be alright, do you think? By the way, the date of the anniversary is March 28th. 2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811 (talk) 23:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811: Technically no, but I could create a spot in the Draft: namespace for you to do that if you want. Just need to know what you want the name to be EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You should generally avoid creating any pages that aren't related to Wikipedia's mission, regardless of whether they're in the draft namespace or not. However, if you want, you can edit some page with the parody message you want, click the "show preview" button (it's next to "save page"), take a screenshot of the preview, and then cancel the edit. --Jakob (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I personally will make an exception for this and if you wish to attack me or report me you can for it. I feel like this isn't a hard request to do, and I will {{db-author}} it afterwards, no harm done. So 2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811, what should it be named? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The page will be deleted almost immediately by an admin. Sam Walton (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Samwalton9: Under what criterion? Drafts are more or less exempt from quite a few, so it would last longer than you think. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I thought you were allowing the user to post in article space. Draft wouldn't hurt anyone I suppose. Sam Walton (talk) 10:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Hello,

I'm an actor. I'm on IMDb, IMDbPro, and various other sites. My big movie will come out this year. It is Death in the Desert. I just created an account on here today. May I add an article on myself and my career?

Thanks for your help!

Timothy Skyler Dunigan (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Timothy Skyler Dunigan: I suggest your read WP:NOTEBLP for more on whether you are notable enough for an article. A quick Google News search pulls back nothing, and the only thing on Google is the IMDb with lots of uncredited roles (don't really count). Also I suggest reading WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY too. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 22:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Timothy Skyler Dunigan hello and welcome to The Teahouse. First of all, are you notable? That means are there reputable newspapers and journals which have written extensively about you? Second, if you are, it is not recommended that you write the article yourself. People who write about themselves have trouble with a neutral point of view. The closer you are to a subject the harder it is to write about that subject as someone would who is not connected.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've had speaking roles and my name in the credits. I have a large newspaper article on me that just ran back in October of 2014. Timothy Skyler Dunigan (talk) 23:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Timothy Skyler Dunigan: Lots of people have small speaking roles, an even more are listed in the credits. Now this newspaper article, are we talking small town local news or something bigger? And in honest reply to your original question, yes you may add an article on yourself, but there is no guarantee it won't get deleted and it is highly likes it will at least get an AfD. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 23:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and welcome
I am afraid you cant add by yourself,
Please read here
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 03:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Timothy Skyler Dunigan. The situation is not quite as clear-cut as Aftabbanoori is saying: you are not forbidden from writing an article on yourself, but you are strongly discouraged, and as other replies have indicated, you are likely to find it hard to write an article about yourself which will be acceptable.
One way to think about the issue is in terms of verifiability. All information in Wikipedia (especially on living people) is required to verifiable from reliable published sources, and most of it from sources unconnected with the subject. This means that
  • If a fact or claim has not been published, it may not go in the article
  • If it has been published only in an unreliable source such as iMDB, Wikipedia, a social media site or a blog, it may not go in the article
  • If it has been published only on your website, your agent's website, the website of a film you're in, or in a press release from any of these, it may possibly go in the article, but only if it is uncontroversial factual data like dates and places, not any kind of evaluative statements
  • If it is any kind of promotional language (eg "star", "promising", "ground-breaking", "tear-jerker", "block-buster") it may not go into the article.
  • If it is any kind of judgment, evaluation or conclusion, it may go into the article only if a reliable published sources has said it.
  • If any published reliable source has been critical of you, this should also go into the article.
Given these limitations, do you think there is enough material at present for anybody to write an article about you? And if so, do you think you can write it? --ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How should I upload screenshots?

What category do screenshots go in? I have a cropped screenshot of formatted code that I want to upload, but I don't want to be blocked from editing! I understand that Wikipedia isn't a cloud storage service, and strongly believe that this file can be used in an article. IndiePhunq (talk) 21:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi IndiePhunq if they are images of formatted code then you should not have any copyright issues, and as long as they are intended for use in articles then no one should accuse you of using Wikipedia as cloud storage. However normally for code you would not use images, but use syntax highlighting as you have done on your user page. Maybe look at Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi as well. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a new page and proposed deletion on an old page.

I have been trying to create a page to point to or distinguish Gordon Gray, the publisher from Gordon Gray, the producer. I have added refernces but the page keeps getting declined. (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Madegray/sandbox). After receiving the decline notice for that page, I then received a proposed speedy deletion for an additional page that I used as a footnote for the new page on Gordon Gray, has been up for about two years. (Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Magazine) and I am not sure why or how to remedy this.Madegray (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Madegray hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I'm sure your article on Gordon Gray (publisher) could be improved to the point that it would be able to stay on Wikipedia. One of the problems is references. Where you use references, it is best to have them inline, meaning <ref>Source</ref> immediately after what the reference supports. You should give the source a title and wither a work (for a newspaper or book) or a publisher (for a reputable web site). Then you use {{reflist}} in the references section and that will cause your references to appear there.
One of your references is a Wikipedia article, and this is not allowed. Wikipedia is not considered reliable because anyone can edit it. The best thing to do is find the sources for the article you used as a source, and use those references for your article. And it is not the article you used as a source which was speedily deleted. It was an image.
A couple of other problems I can correct myself, if you wouldn't mind. I'll give you some other directions: Instead of a heading for "Gordon Gray", change his name on the first reference to Gordon Gray. And add blue links to terms that people might want to read more about. You use [[brackets]] for this purpose. And I'm not sure "media mogul" is a term you want to use. It sounds promotional.
Finally, with external links, the official web site may be fine. Use {{Official}} for that. For the others, I'm not sure these are allowed.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Madegray: You can remove the deletion request from Mafia Magazine as it isn't a speedy deletion tag, it is a proposed deletion tag. Anyone can removes these to prevent deletion. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 21:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate any help you can offer and feel free to make whatever edits you are willing to help with. I will follow your advice and repair the sentences and find more references. Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 22:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary, or not?

Hello!

I have two questions if that ain't too much of a problem :) Firstly, I'd like to know, is it necessary to list every single person that worked on the book/publication one wants to cite or use as reference? Or is mentioning the main editor "sufficient"? My second question is, I'd like to know how, when having to cite the same source several times on a page, how to shorten in the info between the < ref> tags, so that only the authors name usually remains within the tag when quoted from the second time and on.

I focus myself namely often on fixing sister cities and cooperation agreements between international cities, and it happens often that one source will be citing the info needed for let's say, 10+ cities on the same page. This could save me some time and I think it's the way it's supposed to be eventually, no? (at least that's the assumption I got here in my short time :) )

Thanks a lot in advance! Orangesaft (talk) 18:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Orangesaft and thank you for visiting the Teahouse. Here's the easy answer:WP:Citation templates. It appears to me that you have some leeway in deciding how to reference such a work. There is not one firm-solid-established-citation system on Wikipedia but you do want to make the information as accessible as possible. Best Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  18:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Orangesaft: About the using shortening, a simple way is during the first use of a reference type <ref name=whatever>Reference goes here</ref>, and then next time it is needed type <ref name=whatever />. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 21:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Orangesaft - even traditional organizations like the Royal Astronomical Society have to shorten their lists of authors sometimes, such as the following example I came across the other day: Bauer, A. E.; Hopkins, A. M.; and 23 authors (2013). "Galaxy And Mass Assembly (GAMA): Linking Star Formation Histories and Stellar Mass Growth". Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (MNRAS). 434: 209.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) I figure if that is how they cite it themselves, it's good enough for me. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm trying to update the logo on the Bristol Alliance of Companies page. I went through the upload process to create this file: File:BristolAllianceCompanies Logo.png

When I went to edit the page, however, I noticed the option to update a logo. I'm not sure if I should upload again. I've never done this before, so I'm unclear on next steps.

Would someone help me with this, please? CaseyWriter (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi CaseyWriter, you successfully uploaded the image File:BristolAllianceCompanies Logo.png so no need to upload again. I fixed the error in the Non-free use rationale template. I'm not really sure what you mean by "I noticed the option to update a logo" unless you just mean the "upload file" link in the left hand Tools menu? If so this is just a generic link. To update the logo on the page edit it (top right) and edit the name of the file (first line), add an Edit summary, preview if your not sure if its all ok, then "save page" when happy (this is all assuming your not using the visual editor thingy). Give it a try and any problems, just come ask. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It worked! Thank you very much, KylieTastic CaseyWriter (talk) 20:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar title problem

I created the redirect Tourism in saint martin, intending to call it 'Tourism in Saint Martin'. Do I need to make a different redirect with the correct grammar or will this one suffice? Rubbish computer (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rubbish computer, welcome to the Teahouse. It depends much upon the search term. If users are most likely to search for that page using that term/heading then creating a redirect for that specific term is important. Otherwise, not so much.--Chamith (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is kind of off-topic. But why did you redirect Tourism in saint martin to Economy of Saint Martin? Is economy of Saint Martin mainly based on Tourism? --Chamith (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bfpage, thanks for taking a look at my article. Yes, I'm a research assistant to the creator of the questionnaire. All my references are from peer reviewed journals in sleep medicine/anesthesia. I believe I only have 4 primary resources in my article and the rest (18) should be secondary/tertiary sources. Is that not enough to establish notability?

Thank you! Lambbchops (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can an editor please take a look at my article?

Hi all, I created an article on the STOP Bang Questionnaire and I was wondering if someone can take a look at it and let me know how it can be improved?

Thank you! Lambbchops (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lambbchops. I took a very quick look at your article and I think it'll probably make it into the encyclopedia but it relies very heavily on primary sources. In addition, you do have a conflict of interest because you work for this guy right? I still think you did a fine job of being objective. Your article will sail through the process if you can find tertiary and secondary sources that help to establish the notability of the wide use of this questionnaire. What would you say was your best reference? Is it in a high level journal? The preponderance of primary sources is sort of like self endorsement. Remember this is an encyclopedia article and not really a means to publicize and encourage the use of the questionnaire. It won't take much to bring it up to standard.
  Bfpage |leave a message  18:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article that contradicts itself

In this section Kalaroa Upazila#Education it states there are more than 12 colleges, and 8 colleges, in this geographical region of Bangladesh. It contradicts itself but I don't know how to tell which statement is right as this article's one reference does not include this.Rubbish computer (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, RC. You could mark the conflicting statements with {{dubious}} tags, and create a section on the Talk page to discuss the issue. Perhaps at the same time you could encourage an editor to provide a reference, using this example to illustrate why they are so important.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will mark these statements. Rubbish computer (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

editing articles

How can I find someone who can post changes. I am totally baffled by the various instructions and these pages which take a person in circles. I only want to edit 3 articles which have gross errors in them.76.7.176.125 (talk) 15:12, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most articles are editable by anyone including you, by simply clicking the blue Edit near the top right of the page. A few articles are what we call Semi-Protected, which means you either need an account to edit them, or need to post your request on the Talk page. So you should be able to "post the changes" by using the edit button and making them yourself. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 15:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

This picture [2] is in Gujarati Wikipedia , but I am not able to use it in English Wikipedia . You can see my edit CosmicEmperor (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse CosmicEmperor. No, gu:File:Chaitanya mahaprabhu.jpg is uploaded only to Gujarati Wikipedia. In order to use it, it would need to be uploaded to Commons (or English Wikipedia). And in order to upload it, it would need a licensing tag, which is absent on Gujarati Wikipedia (so the file may be in risk of deletion even there). —teb728 t c 05:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking further, I see that the similarly named Commons:File:Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.jpg was deleted with the summary "Copyright violation: dervative of windows wallpaper + flickr washing", but I can't see if it is the same image. —teb728 t c 07:37, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help in editing my userpage

Hello,

I am trying to edit my userpage and I like everything except one thing, The Context Bar. It stands off from all the others. I have seen many users with no context bar. Can anyone of the kind fellows help me?

Thanks a lot Komchi✉☆ 22:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Komchi, welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean the table of contents then you can remove it with the code __NOTOC__ (double underscore on each side). See more at Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ok and thank you Prime Hunter Komchi✉☆ 06:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have the opposite problem. When I use the mobile beta on a smartphone, my talk page has no table of contents in it, even though it does have the __TOC__ magic word in it. It shows up perfectly well in the desktop view. --Thnidu (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Thnidu: The mobile version never displays a table of contents on talk pages. The idea is to save space but I'm sometimes surprised by how much is omitted in mobile. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: (Grrrrumble.) Sensible as default; indefensible as unchangeable. Time for a bug report. Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93551 --Thnidu (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Picture cropping

I would like this picture cropped for Chandler Parsons' page. Where I can request this? --DangerousJXD (talk) 07:52, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DangerousJXD. You can do it yourself. Download a copy, crop it as you see fit using any graphics program, and then upload it back to Commons, making it clear that it is a cropped derivatative version of the original image. This is basic graphics file work requiring no special expertise. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am using a phone... Also I would have little idea how to do that anyway. –DangerousJXD (talk) 08:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You can also use Template:Annotated image, which can crop the original picture without having to upload a new one. Yunshui 雲水 12:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Shall I just take this to the article's talk page? –DangerousJXD (talk) 01:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, DangerousJXD. To quote my god-daughter, "YouTube is your friend." I'm not sure what type of phone you have, but YouTube will show you how to crop pictures with it. For instance, if you have an Android phone here is a quick (less than a minute) instruction for how to do it using the built-in Gallery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQDaG8WbnYw Hope this helps! --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please create an article about Magnes the shepherd.

Magnes was a Cretan shepherd in north Magnesia. It is believed that he discovered Lodestone ( and thus magnetite). Please feature it. 62.231.239.140 (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Magnes the Shepherd is mentioned in the history of geomagnetism article. I encourage you to write a draft article about this character using the Articles for Creation process. Cheers LukeSurl t c 17:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. See Magnes the shepherd. Everyone reading this is truly welcome to add to it!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That turned out to be a very nice article. It's nice to see how well the Teahouse can work.
  Bfpage |leave a message  18:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question re: the "definition" of consensus on WP

Okay, so as well as a (very, very dead) RfC I'm involved in right now, I've been investigating the nature of RfCs and how they typically go on Wikipedia, and I'm finding myself a little confused. So an RfC's result is determined by finding consensus on a given matter, right-- but how is that achieved? How is consensus really "defined" on WP, per se?

I understand that the technical answer is that it's "mutual agreement", but I don't really get how that's achieved through RfCs since opposing opinions and disagreement are the catalyst for RfCs. Is the result determined by the way of a majority-wins situation, or the way of whichever side presents a more convincing side in the debate (since it even states in WP:CONSENSUS that it's not a voting or democracy system, I find it really odd to see RfC's counting votes or listing who is on X or Y side of the debate)-- or is it ideally supposed to cumulate in a meet-everyone-halfway, compromise-based solution where everyone is at least okay with part of the result? Does it depend on how contentious or ideologically sensitive the topic area is?

Additionally, is one's responsibility in an RfC more than just contributing their two cents-- should I work towards crafting a solution based on everyone's input as well as putting in my own? Or is that up to someone else, like an uninvolved editor? What if the topic area is noncontentious and/or not of interest to most (admittedly, I think my going to the trouble of doing an RfC over something like Alien spit was a little silly, but I just didn't know how else to keep the discussion in a constructive direction)?

I know that was a lot of me yakking about this, but I feel like it's something important to set straight in my mind. I'd appreciate input. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 13:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great question and thank you for stopping by the Teahouse, BlusterBlaster. I have to admit right from the start that if I have trouble falling asleep tonight, the discussion to which you refer is what I'm going to read to take me off to ZZZZZZZZZ land. If it were me, and I might be a little more likely to go ahead and make the edits and then see if anyone cares enough to make a reversion, but that probably is not really in the spirit of consensus building. Are all these bits and pieces important enough to all the discuss-ants to NOT come to an agreement. It seems to me that when I am involved in discussing articles for deletion the comments are short and sweet and end up getting closed by an administrator. This drawn out process is too much for me. If I were interested enough in the topic, I probably would leave the discussion and come back later (a month) to see if things had wound up. ....alien spit? Really?
  Bfpage |leave a message  21:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Discuss-ants" makes me think of this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Have some more tea. I certainly don't see anything wrong with trying to come to some sort of consensus in a Request for comment. But it seems to me that a Request for comment is just that: People comment and when most folks (or some folks) have weighed in, then you yourself can decide what to do. I agree with Bfpage here that, when you have pondered all the comments, you can make your proposed edit under WP:BRD and see what happens: perhaps get into a very heavy back-and-forth about the aptness or inaptness of your said edit. But perhaps not. Anyway, Consensus is often gained through one chivalrous person just giving up with a shrug of the shoulders and walking away. GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Sorry for the delayed response; NS got absolutely walloped in snow and I've spent the last two days pulling my hair out about not being able to get to work...) Thanks for the answers, guys, I'll keep that counsel in mind. I'm fairly certain the editor who raised the whole Alien spit weight issue to begin with has lost interest in pressing it anyway... color me unsurprised, it's not exactly the most riveting thing to argue about. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lost and Don't know where to start re-writing on my draft.

So I've been trying to publish an article Draft: Hassan's Optician Co. I've been working on for at least a month and I'm stuck. I'm a novice at writing anything actually and I was hoping someone could help me out?

This article was the first optician and first official approved optician store in Kuwait just to give you an idea why I thought it should be written.

Thank you, Krystel Espiritu (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. I have gone ahead and cleaned and accepted your article. I am not saying it will stick, and I continue to suggest you improve it, but it can now be found at Hassan's Optician Co. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 19:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @EoRdE6:,

Thank you so much for your help and I will continue working on it but could you kindly advice me on where I could improve it further from your perspective? I really appreciate it, Krystel Espiritu (talk) 06:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@EoRdE6:Also I have a lot of hard copies of newspaper articles is there a way I can publish them online and use those links as references? If yes, could you refer me to sites where I can publish them? Because most of the newspaper websites here their archive only dates back 3 years. Krystel Espiritu (talk) 08:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also I've been told that it is not necessary for that source to be available online. It is quite sufficient to provide the source information of the newspaper article (newspaper name, issue number, page etc.) Krystel Espiritu (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To add to User:Krystel Espiritu, it is certainly recommended to provide an online source--this makes verification easy, and lets others improve the article if they get more information out of the source you used. If the newspaper is out of copyright, you could upload a scan to WikiSource or Wikimedia Commons and link to that in your citation. But you are free to cite offline sources so long as they are verifiable; a published newspaper that is no doubt archived somewhere (even if only on microfilm in a single Kuwaiti library) qualifies. Use sources that provide the best information for the article; that they are easy to verify is just a bonus. Knight of Truth (talk) 18:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Knight of Truth:I was actually thinking of using WikiSource & Wikimedia Commons for a certain document I have, it's the first license given to Hassan's by the Kuwaiti Department of health. I believe the documents according to copyright territory qualifies as pd-old or even pd-scan since they're over 7 decades old. This document even states that they are the first optician store, it even has the date, the people involved and even where it's from. Could I use this? and again Thank you, Krystel Espiritu (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Krystel Espiritu. The trouble with uploading unpublished documents and then using them as references is that there's no provenance: to put it bluntly, nobody can tell whether they are genuine. (I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the certificate you have; but the point of references in Wikipedia is to establish verifiable facts, and in these days of photoshop it is unfortunately easy to falsify documents). --ColinFine (talk) 11:15, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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