Talk:Bibliography of books critical of Islam

Categorisation

There is probably going to be a bit of trouble with the categorisation, possibly when it comes to defining the limits between academic books and other books, and very likely when it comes to the border between magazine articles and commentaries. Any ideas regarding a more fool-proof categorisation would be highly appreciated. benjamil ^talk/_edits 12:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I do not see the difference between Newspaper and magazine articles and Commentaries and columns sections. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

The idea was to separate single-author opinion pieces from more thorough articles that have been worked on by a redaction. I thought about it in the same way as the WP:RS guidelines distinguish between reports and opinion pieces. However, I can see how this could make opinion pieces by experts seem less important than reports by not-so-knowledgeable journalists, so I guess it's not really that straightforward. If you want to merge, it's okay with me until we come up with a better solution. benjamil ^talk/_edits 23:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, when I think about it, some magazines that aren't scientific journals, hold a far higher standard than most newspapers and other magazines, for instance Foreign Policy, The Economist, Der Spiegel etc. Maybe it's better to have this discussion in relation to some concrete examples. I'll think about it and return later. benjamil ^talk/_edits 23:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

2012-07 books

I suggest to copy the books list here in List of Eurabia literature#Books. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. benjamil ^talk/_edits 21:32, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

What about the books list here? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure, why not? benjamil ^talk/_edits 23:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Because some of them could be not so relevant. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I thought you would use your own judgment to determine that. :-) Skimming the list, I believe that if they aren't yet included, the works of Bruce Bawer, Buchanan, Caldwell, Israeli, Laqueur, Thornton, Weigel and Wilders should at least be transferred. benjamil ^talk/_edits 22:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

My judgment is not always perfect.

I have added those that you listed. I have added also

• Claire Berlinski's book, because it is listed in Vaïsse (2010, Esprit)
• Renaud Camus's book, because its title ("The Big Replacement [of French inhabitants by a muslim population]") speak for itself
• Oriana Fallaci's book, because it is listed in Vaïsse (2010, Esprit); no, wait, it's not The Force of Reason, but The Rage and The Pride

Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

2012-07 Commentaries and columns

In the Commentaries and columns section, only 1 of the 4 articles by Simon Kuper are listed. Is this volontary? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not intentional. I just didn't have the time to copy all of the references over from the Eurabia article. In my opinion, there's no need to restrict the size of the list yet, so feel free to copy them over. benjamil ^talk/_edits 21:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Where's the references?

Eurabia is a specific theory of the growth of Arab and Muslim influence in Europe. Where's the references that the books listed in the article adhere to that specific theory? There are many other sources and writers on the growth of Arab or Islamic influences that may arise from cultural conservatives, pro-Zionist advocates, or old-fashioned xenophobic writers. One would like to see references after each book to a review that argues the book in question is advocating Bat Ye'or's theory. Jason from nyc (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"Eurabia is a specific theory [...] Bat Ye'or's theory" (Jason from nyc) No. Read Eurabia again. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"Where's the references that the books listed in the article adhere to [those theories]?" (Jason from nyc) There is at least the books list in Vaïsse (2010, Esprit). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"There are many other sources and writers on the growth of Arab or Islamic influences that may arise from cultural conservatives, pro-Zionist advocates, or old-fashioned xenophobic writers." (Jason from nyc) Which books or articles? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"One would like to [...]" (Jason from nyc) One would like to have 1 t gold in her bedroom. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC

BAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Caldwell

We can not include Caldwell as a Eurabia author (conspiracy theory; islamophobia) just because some scholars argue he belongs there. There would have to be consensus for this to include him. Otherwise, it's a BLP violation. I'll quote Fouad Ajami in his NYT review: I"n his “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe,” Christopher Caldwell [...] gives this subject its most sustained and thoughtful treatment to date." "It is a tribute to Caldwell that he has not oversold this story, that he does not see the Muslim immigrants conquering the old continent and running away with it." The Financial Times article which is linked does not mention Eurabia at all. Iselilja (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)