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There are typos and templates that aren't being used and comments within comments. Carlossuarez46 03:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 March 2015

Aquino → Aquino, Italy – Aquino better describes Corazon Aquino Luvcookies (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • This list:

Family of Corazon Aquino

Related

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Luvcookies (talk • contribs) 09:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per WP:TITLE and in particular WP:COMMONNAME: Aquino is fine where it is. Corazon Aquino has her own article under her full name, which is the common name and not going to change. Given the sheer number of Aquinos out there, I see no reason to change Aquino into a redirect to her; the hat note to the disambiguation page is sufficient. The dictionaries are not authoritative in this matter, and unpersuasive besides: Webster's lists both Corazon and Benigno III and gives a link to Encyclopedia Britannica, which mentions the Italian town only. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: As noted above, there are various notable Aquinos that are not the town. And the town does not appear to be an extremely notable place (e.g., do we have any reliable third-party sources that discuss the town in substantial detail per WP:GNG?). Unless there is evidence that the town is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Aquino" (and we don't seem to have any such evidence), Aquino should be moved to Aquino, Italy and Aquino (disambiguation) should be moved to Aquino. The important question here is not whether Corazon Aquino is primary, but whether the town is primary. The RM is about the town, not the person. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Aquino, Italy": will support only "Aquino, Latium", prefer retention of the existing undisambiguated name – I oppose county-based disambiguation, and only support region-based disambiguation. Regardless, I think that the existing set-up is fine. "Aquino" without any qualifiers undoubtedly refers to the place, and to nothing else. This article is not titled "Aquino family", or some such thing. If there really is an issue, a hatnote can be provided. There is no justification for adding more length to this article title. RGloucester — ☎ 01:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that Reagan redirects to Ronald Reagan, despite the fact that there are three towns and two counties (none of which seem to have been named after Ronald Reagan) and several other topics called "Reagan" that are listed at Reagan (disambiguation) (and Ronald Reagan did not really promote mononym usage like Madonna or Beyoncé). Thus I think it is not true that "'Aquino' without any qualifiers undoubtedly refers to the place." So I think the other topics for "Aquino" deserve having the dab page be at the base name rather than the town in this case. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that "Reagan" redirects to "Ronald Reagan" is evidence of systemic bias and idiocy, nothing more. That's not an example to view as a precedent. In fact, I imagine if I have time I will take it upon myself to fix the error. If people are not known as specifically and solely "Aquino", then they are cannot possibly be a target for the word "Aquino". The town is known specifically and solely as "Aquino". Regardless, a hat note, as I said, could solve any potential problems. There is no justification for a move. RGloucester — ☎ 04:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If one is talking about WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, one must reference the actual term. The only term up for discussion here is "Aquino" alone, with no appendages. "Aquino", with no appendages, only ever refers to the town. None of the stuff or people listed at that page is known solely by the word "Aquino". Unless one can find something with the exact name "Aquino", with no appendages, that we have an article on, there is no justification for adding length to the title. That's a pure canard, that bit about "no primary topic". RGloucester — ☎ 06:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the abstract, I agree with you; this is why Lincoln is a dab page and Charlotte takes you to the American city. I wrote WP:TPTM to support the claim you are behind here. But this is a very small town, and there are a whole lotta TPTM's. Red Slash 21:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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