Talk:Friday the 13th (2009 film)

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Sequel movie.88.232.139.85 (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Cinemascore

"CinemaScore polls reported that the average grade cinemagoers gave the film was a "B-minus" on an A+ to F scale,[56] with exit polls showing that 51% of the audience was male, and 59% was at least 25 years old or older.[57]"

Actually, that link was talking about He's Just Not That Into You, not Friday the 13th. Even then, I don't see anything there about the B- rating. Removed it. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.145.151 (talk) 10:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually it does. Here is the quote:

"That $42.2 million sum is the top first-weekend figure for any movie in the nearly 30-year-old "Friday the 13th" series -- including the 2003 mashup, Freddy vs. Jason, which premiered with $36.4 million. In fact, the original "Friday the 13th" movie, from 1980, grossed just $39.7 million during its entire run, not adjusted for inflation. In addition, this marks the best bow ever for a horror remake, besting "The Grudge's" $39.1 million debut gross. And it arrives despite a weak B- CinemaScore review from an audience that skewed male."

The second part is quoted in the second source, which states:

"Friday the 13th was marketed as the event of all slasher movies and ads promised a rollercoaster rush. Horror can appeal to both genders equally, making Friday the 13th more of a date movie in many circles than He's Just Not That Into You or Confessions of a Shopaholic, which each heavily skewed female. Distributor Warner Bros.' exit polling bore this out, showing an audience composition of 51 percent male and 59 percent 25 years and older."

So yes, it does actually say those figures are related to Friday the 13th.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Cast

Yes this section is actually needed per MoS. The article passes GA with cast intact. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

No it isn't. Please read the MOS. WP:MOSFILM#Cast: "A basic cast list in a "Cast" section is appropriate for the majority of Stub-class articles. When the article is in an advanced stage of development, information about the cast can be presented in other ways. A "Cast" section may be maintained but with more detailed bulleted entries, or a table or infobox grouping actors and their roles may be placed in the plot summary or in the "Casting" subsection of a "Production" section." That's if you want a table in either the Plot or cast section. We don't need a table, because the cast is too small to warrant it. Everyone of importance is covered in the infobox, the lead, and the plot and the cast section.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bignole:, Wikipedia has been designed for the viewer. I came to this article and the original Friday the 13th looking for cast members, I was unable to find the list, so this article therefore has issues. WP:MOSFILM allows for the addition for the cast in cases which casting has not been expanded such as this. Please let me know if you have any issues, We can have an RfC if you would like. Also interested in knowing your rational for the removal of cast. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 17:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

If you just want a cast list, go to IMDb. The cast here is listed in multiple locations. MOSFIlM allows for a basic list when you have a stub article. This is not a stub article, and it has the cast covered in other areas. The article pass GA status without a basic cast list. Simply wanting to know who is in the film is not a reason to have the list, especially when you can get that from actually reading the article. How can you say, "casting has not been expanded such as this"? There is clearly a casting section in this article. It's under Production. You can't miss it. Are you confusing Friday the 13th (1980 film) with Friday the 13th (2009 film)? The former did not have a casting section (originally - but I have added it now). This page does and has had a casting section for years.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:05, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bignole: Why would I go to iMDb, no guideline on Wikipedia states remove cast roles. WP:MOSFILM never stated and cast section is inappropriate, in fact it states:

"When the article is in an advanced stage of development, information about the cast can be presented in other ways. A "Cast" section may be maintained but with more detailed bulleted entries, or a table or infobox grouping actors and their roles may be placed in the plot summary or in the "Casting" subsection of a "Production" section.

Specifically, "A "Cast" section may be maintained but with more detailed bulleted entries, or a table or infobox grouping actors and their roles may be placed", suggests that while a subsection of cast may be removed, a detail list is still preferred. Also this is beneficial in the interest of maintaining traversability. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 19:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Except the cast section is maintained in the Casting section. There is no need to have a list when you have prose. The list is found in the infobox and the lead. Why do you need it a third time? It does NOT say that a detailed list is preferred.

It says, "A basic cast list in a "Cast" section is appropriate for the majority of Stub-class articles." - This is NOT a stub article. It says that a cast section "MAY" be maintained. It does not say that a cast list is mandatory, nor needed. In this case, when you're dealing with a horror film with a very small cast, there is no need to duplicate a list that is present in multiple locations already just for the sake of "traversability". This article is structured to be professionally written, which means that it values prose over basic lists or tables. The cast IS listed in the Casting section, with real world content connected to them. It's the logical place to find a cast, because casts are part of production, not an independent entity. You don't need a list just for the sake of having it.

P.S. You don't need to ping me. I have the page on my watchlist.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok Bignole, I am afraid your wrong here. All Wikipedia guidelines say may be, because everything is subject to change given specific conditions. An experienced editor such as yourself should know to avoid that argument. I read the part regarding stub articles, unfortunately you chose to disregard the second part which says guideline When the article is in an advanced stage of development, information about the cast can be presented in other ways. A "Cast" section may be maintained but with more detailed bulleted entries, specifically When the article is in an advanced stage of development which is what this applies to. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 20:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Exactly how am I wrong? Yes, they all say "may" because it isn't a mandatory (that doesn't make me wrong in what I just said). Again, it may be maintained that way. You're reading it as if it's a definitive statement that must be held to, when in fact (again) it's a guide. It's specifically unspecific to allow for this very thing. The reason that is written that way was because people wanted to create basic cast lists in articles that had casts mentioned in other areas. You're holding on to the ideal that a bulleted list is ideal for a horror film that has like 7 actors in it total. They are contained in the casting section. Again, amazingly no one had an issue when the article went through GAC 4 years ago (and the setup was the same).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:57, 5 April 2015 (UTC)