Talk:Arrowverse
Criteria for mainspace inclusion
What is going to be the criteria to move it to the mainspace? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I think everyone can discuss it. Like what exactly is covered? Do we take a "MCU" approach where each film/TV series has a 3 paragraph structure of a) simple plot b) development c) connective material? Do we have all that info, but spread out in various other sections? Do we include some type of cross over cast table, or use something like I initially created? I think once we determine that, get it structured and c/e edited to our liking, we could maybe move it to the mainspace. The sources and notability I believe are definitely there to be passable for a mainspace article. It just has to be created. Does that help answer your question? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- My thoughts on this... I wouldnt include Supergirl or other potential series until they are actually confirmed to be connected... the potential Ray Palmer series actually became the team-up show... But I also question whether "The Arrow Universe" is an appropriate title for the page... has it been called that in any reliable sources? Perhaps "The CW DC Television Universe" or something like that? Not really wild about that name just throwing out another suggestion.. I don't know... but "Arrow Universe" doesn't seem right to me. Spanneraol (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to move all of this conversation over to the draft talk page.Again, I just got the ball rolling and am open to crafting this with everyone. I also agree on the title, but just needed something to start this up. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)- Just as a suggestion for moving it to the main space, how about if the teamup show becomes a thing and is released. I would say 3 live action and 1 animated would be enough to warrent a page, especially considering all of the crossovers they seem to like to do.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 22:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- My question is because unless there is reliable sources discussing the universe, having notable shows exist in the same universe does not make the universe itself notable. The notability guideline discusses that individual entities do not make a sum notable. So, we need to worry more about finding sources to expand on the idea of the universe, and worry less about how many "existing" shows need to occur before we can move it into the mainspace. If the page is just going to be a general housing of all the connected shows, then a navigation box can easily do that for us, because we don't need to repeat ourselves on every show page and then again on a central page. My fear is the page just becomes a housing ground for giants lists of who appears where. That's why I'm asking us to understand when it should move, but I can see a rush to push it into the mainspace (not that you personally would just rush in Favre) just because there are several inter-connected shows, but when no one has actually commented on the universe itself (Spanneraol touches on this when it's assumed to call it the "Arrow universe"). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I understand that concern 100% Bignole, and hope to prevent it from that, but just make the draft a nurturing space. I just had a general concept of what the article could be the other day and just wanted to get it crafted somewhere. :) I'm not looking for this to be a couple of days editing thing and then it's ready. It will probably be time, maybe until the team up series is released, and a bunch of coverage (hopefully) on the universe is released.
And if acceptable with those involved here thus far, can we start moving this over to the Draft talk? Just so all of this (very necessary info) is there for when we need it, and we don't have to look through The Flash archives?- Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)- I know you get that. And yes, this should all go over to that page. :) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- If there aren't any objections, would anyone be opposed to me copy and pasting the discussion, starting with Bignole's first comment, over to the Draft talk? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- I know you get that. And yes, this should all go over to that page. :) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- I understand that concern 100% Bignole, and hope to prevent it from that, but just make the draft a nurturing space. I just had a general concept of what the article could be the other day and just wanted to get it crafted somewhere. :) I'm not looking for this to be a couple of days editing thing and then it's ready. It will probably be time, maybe until the team up series is released, and a bunch of coverage (hopefully) on the universe is released.
- My question is because unless there is reliable sources discussing the universe, having notable shows exist in the same universe does not make the universe itself notable. The notability guideline discusses that individual entities do not make a sum notable. So, we need to worry more about finding sources to expand on the idea of the universe, and worry less about how many "existing" shows need to occur before we can move it into the mainspace. If the page is just going to be a general housing of all the connected shows, then a navigation box can easily do that for us, because we don't need to repeat ourselves on every show page and then again on a central page. My fear is the page just becomes a housing ground for giants lists of who appears where. That's why I'm asking us to understand when it should move, but I can see a rush to push it into the mainspace (not that you personally would just rush in Favre) just because there are several inter-connected shows, but when no one has actually commented on the universe itself (Spanneraol touches on this when it's assumed to call it the "Arrow universe"). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Just as a suggestion for moving it to the main space, how about if the teamup show becomes a thing and is released. I would say 3 live action and 1 animated would be enough to warrent a page, especially considering all of the crossovers they seem to like to do.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 22:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- My thoughts on this... I wouldnt include Supergirl or other potential series until they are actually confirmed to be connected... the potential Ray Palmer series actually became the team-up show... But I also question whether "The Arrow Universe" is an appropriate title for the page... has it been called that in any reliable sources? Perhaps "The CW DC Television Universe" or something like that? Not really wild about that name just throwing out another suggestion.. I don't know... but "Arrow Universe" doesn't seem right to me. Spanneraol (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
@Bignole, Spanneraol, and Ditto51: Just wanted you to know we are now at this talk. Feel free to continue discussing, or make changes to the draft if you aren't liking something, or think of something better. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Crossover Sources
Do the press releases for The CW go into detail about guest characters? If they do then can they be used as sources for the crossover appearances. If not then can reviews or recaps be used to source it. As long as they are reliable of course.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 22:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Most sourcing for all of these are already on Arrow or The Flash's pages. Just didn't bring them over yet. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Isnt the universe called The Arrowverse??
The shared universe is being called by both fans and gaming news sites as the arrowverse. Even Greg Berlanti called it the Arrowverse in an interview about The possibility of Supergirl crossing over "into the Arrowverse". I know this is still a draft, but still.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 06:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Untitled spin-off series draft
OK I created a draft page for the spin off series. here is the link: Draft:Untitled Arrow/Flash spin-off, feel free to change add and do whatever you wantThe Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 20:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Shared Elements Section
Should we right down which series are crossing over or something? As with Vixen and the crossover series, it will be harder to tell which series everyone comes from if you only watch one of the four.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 13:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- Define "crossing over". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)