User talk:Walter Görlitz/Archived Talk to 2015-06

Hello!

Hi, I'm Συντάκτης, It's Good Friday! I'm looking forward to Easter Sunday & I hope you're to! Συντάκτης (talk) 02:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Breaks in infobox

"breaks do not belong in the infobox"

That's news to me. You should give a link to where it says that -- especially when there's something new that I may not know about. --Musdan77 (talk) 17:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

For the infobox in question: Template:Infobox musical artist. Commas or flatlists are acceptable, not breaks. I should have been more clear though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

But, it doesn't say that in the instructions for "alias" -- and in this case, the comma doesn't look good (to me). --Musdan77 (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

You're right, it doesn't. Would you like me to take that up on the talk page? Almost every other place it says commas or lists, but you found one omission. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

TImeline section headings

Hey there, I've noticed that you have made a few changes on band pages from "===Timeline===" to ";Timeline". Do you mind if I ask why? Thanks, — DLManiac (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

It It's a short section and doesn't need its own heading in the table of contents. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

List presentation

I saw you reverted the list cleanup/formatting changes of 50.26.212.188 on a couple lists. Why is this style of presentation preferable to this one? I honestly don't know if the guidelines favor one over the other, but the latter does look cleaner and more efficient to me. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion, most sections are long enough that you would want to have the separated. Compare to List of Christian dance, electronic, and techno artists, where there aren't a lot of artists. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

An even better example was when the anon changed List of Christian ska bands to remove the short sections. I didn't revert there. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Matt Johnson (drummer)

Hi Walter, Metalworker14 here. I was wondering, was Matt Johnson also in Blenderhead, 90 Lb. Wuss, and Roadside Monument? Just wondering. Metalworker14 (Yo) 6:10, 14 April, 2015 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music does list a drummer by the name of Matt Johnson as a member of Blenderhead, Ninety Pound Wuss (after 1999), Roadside Monument and two bands you missed were Don't Know and Raft of Dead Monkeys (as vocalist only). The order, according to p. 769 was,

1. Don't Know
2. Blenderhead
3. Roadside Monument
4. Ninety Pound Wuss
5. Raft of Dead Monkeys

It also lists him playing on one song for Unwed Sailor. However, unless he meets WP:GNG, he still doesn't meet notability requirements. It's not clear that the subject you linked to and the one in these bands are the same person, but it's highly likely that they are. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok then. Metalworker14 (Yo) 01:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

GAR (Three Days Grace)

Three Days Grace, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. You were messaged per being the first most involved editor of the page as determined by this tool. Thanks, Jacedc (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Edits on American and Canadian Champions page

Hi Walter,

In the Overall Totals section of the page list of American and Canadian soccer champions you have Vancouver Whitecaps FC listed with two titles. Wasn't one of those titles earned by the old Vancouver Whitecaps (1974–84) in 1979? I just think the two titles should be separated out by franchise. Also, I wonder if it's a good idea having the Cosmos, Rowdies, Strikers, Roughnecks and Timbers linked to the current teams, given that all of their title in this section were won by now-defunct (NASL 1968-84) teams. Not to mention that four of the "new" clubs have never been D1 teams to this point. Isn't that a bit misleading? Maybe this topic has already been discussed and I missed it. If so, I apologize. Curious to hear your thoughts. As always, best regards -Creativewill (talk) 15:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

It was earned. They finished first in MLS play and that was the way the championship was determined for that year's qualification. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Bare URL

You had mentioned, as well as other Wikipedia editors, to me about Bare URLs. Would you mind telling me how to not make a URL bare to help improve my editing in the future? Thank you. Ilovechristianmusic (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2015 (UTC)ilovechristianmusic

Sure. Two options.

1. When gathering references, use a tool like User:V111P/js/WebRef. It gathers some information and you can add additional information on-the-fly.
2. When you've already added a reference to a page, use http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/viewer.py/Reflinks on that page. You can either add that your JS includes and invoke it from the page or you can go to the link and provide the article's name there.

In conjunction, you might want to investigate using a script like User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates to automatically format dates since the above tools use ISO 8601 and DMY automatically. The second will recognize other date formats on the page. You'll have to familiarize yourself with the rules around date formats too, but that's an easy read and quite simple for most articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. This will definitely come in handy for future editing. Ilovechristianmusic (talk) 16:39, 27 April 2015 (UTC)ilovechristianmusic

2015 Major Soccer season table

There's a new discussion regarding placing play-off teams in the overall table. I wanted to make sure the three main contributors all have a chance to share our opinions. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Inclusion of MLS Playoffs in the overall table. Bmf 051 (talk) 23:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Tooth & Nail Discography

Hey Walter, Metalworker14 here. I was on Tooth & Nail Records Discography, and noticed that there is a lot of albums still missing since around 2011-2012ish. Anyways, just wanted to point that out. Metalworker14 (yo) 9:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I noticed some of the work. That period was around when Brandon was getting out from under EMI, wasn't it? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Adam Gontier Wiki Page

Hi Walter. This is Adam Gontier writing you to inform you that I've tried, numerous times, to make changes to my Wiki page. My changes are consistently reverted, by you, with information that I would prefer to be administration of. Please shoot me a message back when you can, as I will have to get my legal team in charge of this asap, if I don't hear from you. Thanks so much. Adam Wade Gontier — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamGontier0307 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You will need sources for your full name or any other changes you want to add. We want to avoid "truthiness". Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

2015 Pan Ams Wiki Project:

Hi,

We are just 3 months away shy of the 2015 Pan American Games. There are still a thousand of pages that need to be created for the event. I can’t do this alone so I’m soliciting your help for this task. Please feel free to send me any messages regarding it.

Best regards,

The Green Giant 23 TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I tend to monitor pages for adherence to standards and to remove unconstructive edits. I don't tend to create a lot of new content. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:43, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Christian Metal bands

Hey Walter, when I went to List of Christian metal bands, the section Experimental metal bands was not there. Just letting you know.

P.S. Was that really Adam Gontier? from Three Days Grace? Metalworker14 (Yo) 6:40, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

An editor pushed me off the article in the way it was organized. Feel free to raise the issue on the article's talk page, or just add it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you remember the bands on there? Metalworker14 (Yo) 12:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I have not been there for years. No clue how it's formatted now or what was there before. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

K thanks Metalworker14 (Yo) 9:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Billboard CHR charts

With the latest website update they've removed the AC, AC/CHR, Inspo, and Indicator charts from their website. Or at least I can't find them anymore from the old links. Any idea where the replacement source is? I know the current charts can be viewed at http://charts.bdsradio.com/ but you can't view past archives there I don't think. Thanks.--Krystaleen 10:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

No idea. I've always had a hard time finding them. Perhaps a site reorganization or possibly a sign of things to come. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Beau Bokan

Hi, just noticed you reverted my edit there. I don't want to edit war over this relatively small issue, but WP:CATEGRS#General says that categorisation based on gender (which applies to Category:American male musicians) should be non-diffusing, so I was just applying that. Several months ago I was under the impression that gender categories were diffusing, as I had not yet run across that guideline, and I edited a few thousand pages as if they were diffusing, so now I am cleaning up what I see as a mess I made. CATEGRS is a guideline, so it's slightly squishy, but I don't see how this is a common sense exception to it -- maybe you do? I believe that exceptions in this case would be where the article is already in another subcat of e.g. Category:American musicians, and I've been mostly leaving those alone. ekips39❦talk 16:41, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

That's a new one to me. I'll self-revert. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

MOS fix

See here Thanks. I did not realize that this was a standard for numbers. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Fort Lauderdale Strikers Roster

Hello, I would like to know why there was an undo on my edit to the roster? Why is the roster style a list type other then every other european team wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericcp3 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I think you answered your own question: because it's not a European team. Check out all of the other teams in their league. It was a decision made about five years ago. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Not only European but every other League in the world taking out American Leagues. Why not just make it the same thing like all other leagues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericcp3 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Because, this template is more compliant to accessibility guidelines and other formatting guidelines. Ask the other leagues why they have not followed the correct example. And for the record, some English teams do use the correct template. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Focused & Overcome

Hey Walter, I realized that both, Focused and Overcome, don't have pages. I feel, that they should pages, seeing how they one of the first Christian Hardcore bands, and Focused was the second band to sign to Tooth & Nail Records. They also have both recently reunited. Another reason, one of the bassists of Focused, was in the band Stavesacre. Just wanted to see what you thought. Metalworker14 (Yo) 5:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

None of which are good reasons to create an article.

Focused has a very brief entry in the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music: one paragraph. Pretty empty at AllMusic. Overcome is about twice the length in EoCCM, but still very short but with one staff rating without a review at AllMusic, it's not looking good for them either. You'll need sources. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Try some other sources, such as HM or Jesus Freak Hideout, or maybe even some more metal-oriented publications. Look through Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources and Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music/Sources. For online sources, you can type the main site url into a search engine like so - site:example.com - to search within a certain website. For print sources, you can try and see if there are online archives. If not, you would need to find hard-copies (good luck with that, sincerely).--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:01, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Overcome's article is now finished.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I've come to expect more for you. The references are all poor. Nominating for deletion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, after looking at the HM articles and brief reviews, they are OK. I'm removing the misleading information though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:28, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I love you man.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for making Overcome Cross Bearer. I'll make Focused, after I find some good references. Metalworker14 (Yo) 5:41 14 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, Metalworker14. I just want to give you some good luck on creating, Focused, and that's because I can only find Cross Rhythms covering them.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

page needs help

Hi Walter - I've been trying to rehabilitate the music festival lists, but I've completely neglected List of Christian music festivals because I know next to nothing about the topic. I cleaned up the templates some, but there are still open-ended questions on structure (whether it should include just classical/gospel or also christian rock, christian hip hop, etc.), and the intro needs to be expanded. If it doesn't catch your interest, I'm sure I can find someone else, but you came to mind first. Earflaps (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Major League Soccer stadiums

Hi, I'm not sure I get the reasoning for this edit. As far as I'm aware, Minnesota United has presented stadium plans and are at a relatively advanced stage of discussions/negotiations with the city and county (at least more advanced than Miami and NYC). I'm curious to see where you're drawing the distinction, since it's likely behind-the-scenes discussions are taking place for all proposed stadiums. Mosmof (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

The Whitecaps have presented stadium plans as well. Doesn't mean it's going forward. I simply looked at the table and Minnesota United wasn't listed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay. To be honest, I know nothing about Vancouver's stadium plans, but I don't see why Minnesota wouldn't be in the same category as the other expansion teams (and New England). I'm going to go ahead an reinsert. Thanks! Mosmof (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I inserted the need for citation needed on all of them. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Notable

Does Chris McClarney seem notable to you?The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Didn't look at the references, but sure. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Commons

[1] I went to the commons AN and reported that user. That's also probably the best place to get in contact with an Admin on the commons about evidence for that COI, though I don't rightly know.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 09:08, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

.png and .svg

Walter,

A user sent me a .png file to update a Wiki page but when I looked at the page, it has both .svg and .png characteristics listed on the page. The .svg file(File:Coat of arms of Michael Sis.svg) has 6 different pixel sizes. It also has 4 different .png sizes(200px, 500px, 1000px, 2000px). To compound my dilemma, I have no way of converting the .png to .svg. What is the Wiki policy, what do you recommend? Roberto221 (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

It's my understanding that both are OK, but SVG is preferred. Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload deals with that. You don't want to convert png to svg. The former is a bitmapped format while the latter is a vector format. You can convert to svg to png though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

New Sporting Kansas City 3rd Kit

I'm looking for help on doing the new Sporting Kansas City 3rd kit in the templates. I don't know how to make it. The design is here. Elisfkc (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I have done a few of these, but others are better at it. Some like @Bmf 051: might offer more support. Essentially, you have to piece the kit together one part at a time.

| pattern_la3 =
| pattern_b3 =
| pattern_ra3 =
| pattern_sh3 =
| pattern_so3 =
| leftarm3 =
| body3 =
| rightarm3 =
| shorts3 =
| socks3 =

In order here you have left arm, body, right arm, shorts, socks and then background colours for those. For instance and are all in wiki commons. Case (upper or lower) matters. Create the patterns in a bitmap graphic editor (I usually use the GIMP) and then upload the new files to commons, then link to them in the article. If you use transparency in the image, the background colour will show through. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Bmf 051 did it. Thanks for the help. Elisfkc (talk) 19:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello

can you please tell us youropinion about this topic : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Thomas_Vermaelen.27s_page_question_please_:

I see you active in sport pages so thought you might have an opinion about this . thank you Adnan (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't really have an opinion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Women's Pyramid

I left some thoughts on how to include the L1O Women's Division on the Canadian soccer league system talk page, and thought you might want to offer some input since you're an active contributor there. Gopherbashi (talk) 13:46, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Facedown Records Discography

Hey Walter, I was wondering if you could help me make Facedown Records discography page, like Tooth & Nail's? Metalworker14 (yo) 4:57, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sinclair scores

Hi, Thanks for your edits to the Christine Sinclair article. It looks like all of the scores mentioned in the article do not include en-dashes. Can you take a look and update accordingly? Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Invitation

Thank you for your contributions to women's football/soccer articles. I thought I'd let you know about the Women's Football/Soccer Task Force (WP:WOSO), a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of women's football/soccer. If you would like to participate, join by visiting the Members page. Thanks!

Hmlarson (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Jimi Hendrix and acid rock

Hi! Would you care to comment at this RfC? It is about the article Jimi Hendrix and whether "acid rock" warrants inclusion in the infobox. Dan56 (talk) 04:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Twelve Gauge Valentine

hey Walter, this is Metalworker14. Just wondering, do you think I have enough references to re-publish User:Metalworker14/Twelve Gauge Valentine, to regular Twelve Gauge Valentine. Metalworker14 (yo) 6:14, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

RfC on List of Christian metal artists

Hi, I've started an RfC on the List of Christian metal artists. If interested, please comment here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your edit on "My Paper Heart". I got into an incident with another editor who thought that repeating the album title in the tracklisting was the Wikipedia standard, I disagreed, and they brought in a few editors that they work with. So the others said that it was still standard, but I still doubted. So thank you! Ilovechristianmusic (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

IAS Accrediting body for Personnel Certification

Please see associated sites explaining this accrediting body!

International Accredited Services, Inc (IAS) provides accreditation for Personnel Certification bodies. See their website: http://www.iasonline.org/Personnel/PCB.html

IAS is a signatory for IAF See IAS listing on IAF site: http://www.iaf.nu/articles/IAF_Mem_USA_IAS/146

Who is IAF: The IAF is the world association of Conformity Assessment Accreditation Bodies and other bodies interested in conformity assessment in the fields of management systems, products, services, personnel and other similar programmes of conformity assessment. Its primary function is to develop a single worldwide program of conformity assessment which reduces risk for business and its customers by assuring them that accredited certificates may be relied upon. Accreditation assures users of the competence and impartiality of the body accredited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.240.165.81 (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

TRA Certification Int'l now does Personnel Certification - Accreditation by IAS

TRA Certification International (TRACI) is an accredited "Personnel Certification Body" accredted by International Accreditation Services (IAS) see our certificate http://www.iasonline.org/PDF/PCB/PCB-104.pdf

Our website explains what Personnel Certification is https://tracert.memberclicks.net/personnel-certification

our google domain name is www.personnelcertification-tra.com which links to above site explanation - subtitled personnel certification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.240.165.81 (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Focal Point (band) Proposed Deletion

Hey there, just wanted to chat about the proposed deletion on Focal Point. Do they not pass under WP:BAND's #5 point? I could see your point if you wanted to delete the individual album pages, I would probably not have any qualms with that, but seems they do have two albums under notable indie labels (granted one is an EP, but I'm unclear as to what WP:Band counts as an album or not). I'd be willing to try to hunt down third-party sources to allieviate some WP:GNG concerns, but either way, just curious as to your thoughts. In good faith, GreenRunner0 20:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Nope. An EP and an album, neither of which was notable. Band still fails WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:30, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Icon for Hire

Hi,

About the revert you did on the Icon for Hire article, could you please tell me what "MoS change" means ? I didn't just remove a dead link, I repaired it by replacing it with a working link containing the same information. Who is "WE" you are referring to in "We don't remove dead links" ??? According to Wikipedia:Link rot repairing a link is a good thing, which is my opinion too, reason why I did it. Don't you think that a working reference link is better than a dead one ?

If you read the interview in that link, to me, it gives a different picture of a few things compared to what is currently in the article: For example, Ariel talks about "a packed club" when the article mentions "an audience of family and friends". And the modifications about the guitarist and drummer "playing Freebird in the garage to a bunch of their friends" according to the interview made the article closer to this interview, IMHO.

Now, it was saturay night, and there are mistakes and the grammar may be far from perfect. Please improve it or correct what needs to be rather than reverting everything. If you disagree with something, let's talk about it. Or maybe you have more informations than me (I'm only using the interview), in which case, I would be happy to see you improve the article content.

I'm not trying any modification again yet, may I ask you to do the modifications acceptable to you the way you want ? Thanks. Mevo Wiki (talk) 10:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)