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Simple English

Hello, given all the activity that is in progress here at the English Wikipedia to provide the latest available information about Microsoft's upcoming OS, I have noticed that a lot of this information may not be fully comprehensible to the layman. I am happy to see that the Windows 10 article at the Simple English Wikipedia has been regularly updated with core details of the OS, specifically the new features in each build. I did, in the meantime, notice the tag at the top of that page which says: the English used may not be easy for everybody to understand. On a side note, articles for other versions of the OS do not exist there yet, such as Windows 10 Mobile.

Seeing that the Simple English article has notable viewership in the past few months, I advise that we find a small team of editors to devote time to working on improving the Simple version of this article so that it can be understood by laymen (with our goal of making the tag's message redundant), and at the same time expanding the Simple English Wikipedia with Windows 10 specific articles, such as Windows 10 Mobile. It may not seem like much effort now, but once Windows 10 is officially released, it will be a tremendous aid to novice users who need a concise summary of the upgrade and its features. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 03:40, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresentation of free upgrade?

I'm very angry over the way the free upgrade is being portrayed. I don't know whether Microsoft has deliberately introduced an ambiguity for marketing purposes or whether the article has misinterpreted Microsoft's announcement. As I understand it, for the first year, beginning 29 July 2015, users who qualified and registered will receive a free download of Windows 10, and subsequent updates as they are released. So far so good. Now, what happens on 29 July 2016? Are the recipients still entitled to (free) updates from that date onwards? Or are they going to be forced to purchase the product in order to continue receiving updates? Is this a one-year free trial? The page needs to make things a lot clearer than they are right now. Akld guy (talk) 11:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft has always said that Windows 10 is available for no charge for one year, after which people must pay for new copies of Windows 10. Once you receive the free upgrade, it's free for life. pcuser42 (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That does not address the issue that I raised: whether free updates will still be available when the one year period expires. The offer I've received from Microsoft does indeed say that Windows 10 will be "free for life" and that it's not a trial. But if updates cease after 12 months, effectively it has turned into a trial if the OS becomes unusable. I can see a situation where, after the period expires, an update to Adobe FlashPlayer renders it incompatible, meaning that one won't be able to watch YouTube videos. At that stage, uninstalling Win10 and going back to Win7 or 8.1 might be disallowed or achievable only with a great deal of trouble. Akld guy (talk) 21:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why would updates cease after one year? Never heard that rumour myself. pcuser42 (talk) 06:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Youtube does not use Adobe Flash any more, but HTML5. Naki (talk) 07:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Pcuser42: Microsoft has not specifically said that updates will continue. Until they do, we could assume they won't. "Free for life" means nothing if a third party's (example: FlashPlayer) update makes a Win10 feature unusable. Legally, in that case, Microsoft would not be at fault - you'd still have Win10 for life, but it would be degraded. Akld guy (talk) 10:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Naki: My understanding is that YouTube does still use FlashPlayer, but is migrating towards HTML5 exclusively. Do you have a source for your claim? Akld guy (talk) 10:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Akld guy: Nothing stops that scenario from happening on any version of Windows as Microsoft is not in direct control of Flash updates. If Samsung can disable Windows Update, third party programs can do pretty much anything. pcuser42 (talk) 10:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is still skirting around the question I asked. Will or will not Microsoft continue free updates after the 12 month takeup period? Microsoft has not specifically stated so, and the WP article does not answer the question for readers. Akld guy (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A quick Google tells me that yes you will get updates after one year. http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/ pcuser42 (talk) 20:41, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Pcuser42: That link does indeed seem to settle the issue, at least verbally and as of January 2015. It will be interesting to see what the Terms & Conditions state, when the download is ready for install. Akld guy (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incorporate Wikipedia Windows 10 Editions page into this page

Suggest that the data from Wikipedia Windows 10 Editions page be incorporated into this page and the Editions page be deleted. CPES (talk) 13:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It is a common practice, as the information and specifics on this page would make this article too big. Some of your edits are good, but they just seem awkward and abrupt. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think the main article would be improved by including the summary of editions as bullet points. The significance of the various editions is obscured in the prose sentences in the main article. Peter Campbell 14:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Current version colors also for slow ring

For those who notice two colors for the current version; that's no error. It's for the current version for slow and fast ring. Please leave intact. Notice that this was already discussed on the talk page, but shortly thereafter the entire talk page was archived. So may this serve as a kind reminder: do not remove the color for current version of the slow ring. Please keep in mind that, according to MS, the large majority of Windows insider users are in the slow ring. PizzaMan (♨♨) 23:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be enough to have two purple builds showing when there are two current preview builds. If anyone wants to know which rings they've been released to, they can see that in the release date column. Having a separate color for each ring doesn't work, because they're sometimes on the same build (like today.) - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

I was under the impression that Windows 10 is to be released on 29 July 2015. Where did the 1 August date come from? pcuser42 (talk) 03:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The August 1st date refers to the release of Windows 10 Education and Windows 10 Enterprise. While it is true that Windows 10 will be available on July 29th (referring the Home and Pro editions), that doesn't mean that all versions of Windows 10 will be released on the same time. Scatboot198 (talk) 04:43, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of Windows 10

I note that I couldn't find any critical voices in the article. This seems odd as there is plenty to criticize. Starting with http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html - although some of those issues may be specific to windows versions before 10. Anyway, I just wanted to mention this as I don't have time to do anything about it at the moment. --duncan.lithgow (talk) 13:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so I made some changes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Free_upgrade which is a start I guess --duncan.lithgow (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A criticism section could be added similar to the one in the Windows Vista article. Peter Campbell 14:23, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 10 Support status

Will Microsoft Windows 10 be the last Windows version, but will the mainstream and extended support status have to be dated on when Windows 10 Support will end, Is Windows 10 not a required free upgrade and can it be downloaded at anytime? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan McEvoy (talk • contribs) 13:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

wiki naming problem

With Windows 10 being rolled out as Software as a Service, and upgraded slowly with new features and functionality, with Windows 10 being the last version, this poses a problem for this Wikipedia page. In the future, with all these small updates that bring new features and functionality, listing them all will eventually fill up this wiki. As they are all small updates, we can't really have a page for each of them either. As Windows 10 is the last version and we can't really come up with appropriate names for individual pages. We can't just name something like Redstone update either, as there are many small functionality and feature updates in between as well, as mentioned above. This is quite a big problem for Wikipedia. Here are my suggestions. If you have one please do contribute. Below I am suggesting what we can name new pages, and their respective content

  • 1. Name pages based on dates of updates, ex. Windows 10 Fall 2016 updates ; with big releases getting their own individual pages, ex. Windows 10 Redstone updates
  • 2. Name pages based on version/build numbers, ex. Windows 10 builds 10200 - 10500
  • 3. Include minor updates under pages about major releases, ex. List all updates released after Redstone to next major release in the Redstone article


  • Note that I am only saying Redstone as it is the current codename and there is no official name. I intend that when the relevant page is created it'd be under the official name.


Please contribute your opinions and suggestions for this matter below.Tony0517 (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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