Talk:Culture of Greece

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How much of the information on Greek Lit. and Greek Mythology should be replicated on this page? It seems that a lot of information (more regarding Mythos rather than the list that is the Greek Lit) is here. Estel 14:50, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Essentially this page should summarise pages on each area of Greek culture – i.e. one or two paragraphs on each topic. Unfortunately, the subtopic articles may not be that extensive at present. Nevertheless, a hierarchial structure, with this page as the overall parent, should be the ambition. zoney ♣ talk 15:10, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Compare also with other articles in Category:European culture (some of which are better-developed than others and all of which need some work). Culture of Ireland and Culture of Switzerland are fairly good. [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 15:18, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cradle Question

Should it be the cradle of Western civilisation (rather than culture)? Filiocht 09:44, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

See article Cradle of Humanity. The term is also used in other articles: Greece, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Noricum --Rj 15:55, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

I am more used to "civilisation". Maurreen 17:03, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fascinating article b.t.w. but I too think that "the cradle of Western civilisation" sounds more appropriate here. zoney ♣ talk 17:29, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Religion

I greatly expanded the "Religion" section, which badly needed it. (I also deleted the gratuitous reference to the movie Troy, which absolutely didn't belong there.) I think I've presented a good summary of both ancient and modern Greek religions. What's missing is any reference to minority religions in modern Greece. Someone with more knowlege than I have on that subject is welcome to tackle it. McMullen 03:38, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reference section needed

We all need to start adding references for our additions, please. Filiocht 08:44, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Greece = Ancient Greece?

The fact that modern Greece is a continuation of the ancient fractured city-states we now call "Greece" is somewhat mislead. The concept of such continuation is the foundation myth of modern Greece (the people needed a fusion post Ottomans) and has been perpetuated ever since - note the 2004 Olympics. Of course, the very fact that statues and buildings of Ancient Greece remain in Greece will have an impact on the modern countries' culture, but to a limited extent. However, I think it is dangerous, and factually incorrect, to consider the Culture of Ancient Greece to be a part of the Culture of Greece. The two should be seperated to a logical extent. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 21:44, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This should be Culture of Ancient Greece, and then we need a new Culture of Greece article. Falphin 18:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There should probably be two separate pages. Greece(Hellenic Republic) =/= ancient Greek/Hellenistic world ~ Dpr 07:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

He ever shall remain a bitter Englishman :)

As a Greek I can tell you that we do indeed feel our Ancient and Byzantine culture profoundly affects our idea of national identity much like morris-dancing and bad food does with yours :)

just my two cents

I think that there should be at least 3 articles, culture of ancient, byzantine and modern Greece. I strongly disagree with the pov mentioned above that ancient Greece is irrelevant with the Byzantine and the modern, I try to study the Greek culture of all these eras, and anyone who does so, can see and understand the continuity of the Greek civilization.
To get back on topic, we should either try to expand this article to cover these 3 eras (or more) or we could rename it as Culture of Ancient Greece, or something similar - expand the seperate article and have here a summary of that era (and introduction for byzantine and modern era) and a link to the main article. MATIA 17:17, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

After reading this article a little more, I'm guessing that it shouldn't be seperated, it already has introduction-summaries to other wikis, so perhaps we should add what is needed here, and see about extra wikis for specific eras later. MATIA 17:24, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Other articles, more or less, related: Greek language, Byzantine art, Byzantine architecture, Byzantine music, Category:Greek architecture, etc. Some of them are already present as links but perhaps we should add some summaries about them. MATIA 17:34, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Merging with ancient greece

i think this article should be merged with Ancient Greece or Greece rossy 10:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Added new pics and things

I am a patriotic Greek, but mybe there are errors in my new contributions, check through to see they are up to standard.

Vandalism?

I don't really know much about Greece or its culture, but I'm interested to know why some recent edits made by an anonymous user were reverted as "vandalism". Edits made in good faith are never vandalism. If there's a dispute about any edits, remember to bring up discussion about it on the talk page, or on the talk page of the person who made the edit, preferably before reverting the changes. Jude (talk) 04:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

When a responsible editor with a 3000+ article watchlist detects vandalism and reverts it, it is common practice to look further down the User Contributions and see whether other contributions by an anonymous vandal detected in one instance aren't possibly also vandalisms: note this consistent pattern of vandalism. Since every other edit from User:86.138.0.221 is vandalism, including offensive vandalism on my Userpage (reverted), I'm surprised to hear that there is value somewhere in just this one series of edits. To be sure, after User:bookofjude (above) has gone carefully through all User:86.138.0.221's "contributions"—it shouldn't take more than half an hour— one trusts he will restore anything he considers an improvement, without further fuss. A little more attention given to repairing the work of vandals would be very welcome by the way. Looking through the edit history of Culture of Greece I note that User:bookofjude has never contributed a single edit. May one wonder what motivates this apparent interest? --Wetman 05:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Why should you? What does questioning another's appearance like that contribute to the matter at hand? Take an actual look through that edit for me and point out any specific bad faith attempts to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia (that is, vandalism). Sure it's a good idea to check a vandal's prior contributions to find unreverted vandalism, and we thank you for that, but that is no reason to blindly revert even good faith content edits for coming from the same IP. IP addresses are frequently reassigned among different users, also, making blind reverting them a particularly bad idea. If an edit looks like it may have been made in good faith based on its merits, despite the user's other contributions, it probably is. Why don't you talk with him if you disagree with the content of that edit. Also, as a side note to both of you: edit warring is bad. Always and forever. Dmcdevit·t 06:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I *was* responsible for vandalism on Wetman's page, for which I was banned for a period of time, however, when I returned I found he had reverted nearly every single one of my major edits. I reverted them back, this is what began the edit war, if you check my user contribution page you will see that I have been responsible for a great deal of good edits. Wetman has been warned about this before, and he continues to blindly ignore Administrators attempts to deal with him. He MUST be banned.

Any help?

I want to expand this article, I know my recent edits have pushed it out a lot but there is still a lot more to do. We are a proud people, let us band togethere and work together on this article.

O rly?

"Greeks on the whole have a strong Democratic tradition, harkening back to the days of Classical Athens at it's zenith. Greeks also tend to be strongly pro-European when compared with many of their Western European neighbours."

I'm not sure if we can really say that Greece has a strong democratic tradition. - FrancisTyers · 12:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Why? I have made this article very non-bias, pointed out that it is true Greeks are somewhat suscipicious of foreigners. What do you propose instead?

Dress?

Are you sure the Greece Dress is not influenced by Turkey? i dont have any evidence to back up my argument but the dress sure looks turkish especially the cap. Perhaps turkish influence during their 370 year rule of Greece not only influenced their language but also dress i would think

Not really, it's origins are debated, but debated in a Balkan sense, not a Greek-Turkish sense, I also find it funny that people such as you do not see the idiocy of talking of 'Greek cultural appropriation', and then turning around and ignoring the fact the entire Ottoman Culture is simply appropriation of Byzantine culture, from Government to Architecture. Also, I took the time to glance over your edits, you seem to have a decidedly Anti-Greek POV. Tone it down or it will be reported.

......... wow, if you take alook at my contributions you will find that i dont have a anti greek POV. i take an interest Greece as it is my nationality (along with spanish, by asking what country of origin the byzantine empire really was(as its capital was at Constantinople but they thought them selves to be greek) or who were the origonal inhabitants of greece i bring forward quetions that are hottly debatable. if you believe that is anti Greek i would be inder the impression you would not fit well for wikipedian disscussions as things should be questioned not oppressed.

You might also notice i have not edited any greek pages, i always discuss them in the discussion threads first! (mind i still have not edited any greek pages!

The Hellenic Republic did not come before the Byzantine Empire, ergo, speaking of a 'country of origin' in a modern nation state sense is ridiculous, besides, the Greekness of the Empire even from the early 6th century has been debated ENDLESSLY by scholars (historical scholars rather than contemporary as the conclusions of it's Greekness has been solidified over time) and wikipedians alike, we ALWAYS arrive at the same conclusion. The Empire can be considered a continuation of the Hellenistic East of the Roman Empire. I myself would prefer to see it called the 'Greek Roman Empire' - as it is more explanatory and accurate, however, 'Byzantine' is the name Wolf called it and hence this neologism remains.

Please take a look at any element of 'Turkish' culture, from cuisine to dance, and you can't fail to see it's Greek origins.

This Greek culture of the Byzantine Empire though still does not tell us which country should claim it as theirs. Since the Byzantines liked to think they were greek and were influenced by Greek culture this may be the affect that there was really only one flourishing empire in the east befor them - that of the greeks, so there wasnt anything else they could really base them selves on. As with the turkish culture having greek origins, maybe, perhaps the two countries have just influenced eachother to the point where all things are mixed because i certainly can see turkish culture in greek culture as well. Its almost like they are one country just diffrent regions

Wherever 'Turkish' Culture has influenced Greek it can always be considered a non-sequitur because 'Turkish' Ottoman Culture was effectively an appropriation of Byzantine Culture. From cuisine to dance and architecture to sport - Turkish culture is nothing more than an appropriation of Greek Byzantine Culture, this is why you see two overlapping cultures. As for Turks themselves they are nothing more than barbarians, EVERY turk on wikipedia is an ultra-nationalist kemalist ("Another Whiskey for Kemal, Merci!"), who is militiristic and racist. This is what the Turks are. There is no serious debate as to the Greekness of Byzantium - Just the same way as the Holy Roman Empire is considered part of GERMAN history.

I would die for Greece and Cyprus, I hope that I am called upon one day to claim vengeance for what happened to my family in Cyprus. I would dearly love to see the tears of Turkish mothers just the same way as they inflicted hurt upon Greeks for so long. "I am born a Greek, I shall die a Greek."

........thats kinda racist making such a judgment on turks.... i would of hoped there to be a reconciliation between the two countries as there are so many shared beliefs and customs. But i do believe there are political tensions between the two countries i dont believe that all turks are barbarians nor have they ever been, the ottomans were artisticaly enlightenened and Greece was a part of the ottoman empire which should be a prosperous time in greek history should it not? (as they shared ottoman culture etc)

Let me emphasize again, Greece's culture is a Christian continuation of Byzantine Culture which in itself was a successor to Hellensistic Culture which in itself was a successor to Classical Greek Culture, which in itself was a successor to Prehistorical Greek Cultures (The Minoans for example). The Ottomans were not 'sharing' their culture with anyone, the Greeks are the rightful heirs to Byzantium, language and religion - as well as culture itself proves this utterly. And if the Ottomans were so artistically enlightened why did the concrete over the most beautiful floor of mosaics in the world in the Agia Sophia? Why did they destroy so much Christian art? Why did they hire Western Artists to paint portraits and Greek and then Western Architects (from the late 18th century onwards) to design their buildings? You ask me to 'reconcile' with these savages?

I'll give you a good reason why not. Thirty two years ago my Uncle, then only 19, was captured by the Turks, made to stand up against a wall and shot dead in Cyprus. To this day the Turks occupy my family home in Cyprus, Kyrenia, they desecrated the graveyards, destroyed the churches or converted them into Mosques, urinated on the holy icons within the churches and looted them as well. They raped women to the point where the Hospitals in the free areas of Cyprus could not cope with all the abortion demands. I will NEVER forgive them, mark my words, I will NEVER forgive the turks for what they did. Not today, not tomorrow, not in 10 years, nor till my dying breath.

User:Elevated Stork

Could you please try and reword your part on Greek film to fit NPOV, tie it in with Greek 'Culture' somewhat (perhaps mention the controversy of recent Albanian immigration and percieved xenophobia) and put it under the already existing 'Cinema' subheading in 'The Arts' category?