Talk:List of wars involving Cyprus

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POV article

Northern Cyprus is not a recognized independent state and there seems to be a big problem in recognizing Greek Cypriot victories.Ron1978 (talk) 21:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I have changed the article to a more NPOV one. Ron1978 (talk) 20:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtier1978 (talk • contribs)

All content on this version is either sourced in this page or in the article of Cyprus - I can move the sources here as well if requested. The exception seems to be claiming "political victory" or "victory" for the Emergency, which is unsourced. Claiming that the intercommunal violence is a "victory" (for whomever that is) is WP:OR unless you can substantiate it, and original research cannot be tolerated. And I cannot see a reason to remove figures for T/C displacement in 1963, when they are given for 1974. "Northern Cyprus is not a recognized independent state" is not argument or reason for removal of valid information and is symptomatic of the general line of thought that lack of international recognition automatically means exclusion on Wikipedia. Not so. The lack of international recognition only means the lack of int'l recognition and must be dealt with at the politics section of Northern Cyprus, Cyprus and Cyprus dispute. Not on every single article that happens to mention its name. Please do not engage in an edit war. --GGT (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Cyprus is not a recognized independent state and that is a fact, so it can not be added as one. If it is added as one then it is POV. Victory is a victory as the result shows victory. Anything else is POV. If you accept the results of the civil wars in Turkey to be counted as Turkish victories, then why you don't accept this one to be counted as one.? Turkish Cypriots moved to enclaves and left their positions in the government. That is a result and that is NPOV. Anything else that you have described is POV. You are the one that seems to wants to engage in an edit war. Me I have discussed the issue and I have left it open for two months, to reach to an NPOV with out my additions in it, something that was totally ignored. If you continue to add all the information that you want and delete all the rest, that you don't want, and in very subject about Cyprus, then what we will have is POV, as we have now, in several ones. Ron1978 (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtier1978 (talk • contribs)

You did not really discuss anything, I'm afraid. "Northern Cyprus is not a recognized independent state" is simply a statement and not an argument. The article, as far as I can see, makes no implication that Northern Cyprus is recognized, and I have no idea how you inferred anything about recognition from "Eventual independence of Northern Cyprus". Can you show me how the article shows explicitly that Northern Cyprus is recognized? "there seems to be a big problem in recognizing Greek Cypriot victories" is not a valid argument by itself either - you have to substantiate your claim - which victories? according to whom? There was no argument to merit a response. "Victory is a victory as the result shows victory" is original research. Greek Cypriot victories according to which source? Which scholar? According to you, I am afraid, and that is original research and completely unacceptable. Please stop dragging on about Turkish Cypriots withdrawing from the government by themselves - we have a source that says that they partly withdrew and partly forced out, and that source, by James Ker-Lindsay a leading scholar on Cyprus, is more valid then some nationalistic POV-blaming. If you can substantiate anything that you say is true with reliable sources, I would be happy to concede that I was wrong and insert that myself to the article . --GGT (talk) 13:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should wars before 1960 be listed?

Is this list about wars the modern state's been involved in, or is it about wars throughout the entire history of the island? I think the latter would make for a much more valuable list. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A "list of wars" with only one war? We should delete this thing. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:37, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is this in response to? I see 3 listed. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 21:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was planning to propose this thing for discussion at AfD, saw your talk and I wanted to inform you. (Wrote before your 3 addition, I see only one war, that in 1974.) --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the first one's a guerrilla war. Anyway, I don't feel strongly about it, but I don't see why this article can't be expanded. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can express your views at the deletion discussion. We will neither do it here nor only the two of us. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've no interest, thanks. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 22:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"This is a list of wars and conflicts that Armenia or Armenians have been involved in." (that started in 87BC!).
I strongly object the deletion of "List of wars involving Cyprus". The wars and conflicts are all military fightings. The entitling "conflict" etc. to a war does not change the character of the event.Alexyflemming (talk) 23:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we should as in everything else, but this is not a neutral, valid or accurate article in the first place. First we should try to make it valid, accurate and neutral and then we can add everything. All efforts made to give the actual results with accuracy on anything were deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 20:26, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]