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Para #3

Para #3 is a little bit over the top compared with the rest of the article and not really encylcopedic. Comments? Should it be shortered or deleted per WP:WEIGHT? Shot info 01:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The firing of Lundberg was a major event in the history of JAMA. It compromised the editorial independence of a major medical journal, and was widely denounced by medical journal editors. It demonstrated that, contrary to their stated principles, medical journals are not always free to publish what their peer reviewers judge to be significant. JAMA avoided controversy afterwards. The Lundberg firing was followed by a similar firing at the Canadian Medical Association Journal, so it's part of a detrimental trend. Shortening it would not tell the story adequately. Deleting it would be censorship.

If you think this entry gives undue weight to the Lundberg firing, the solution is to add other material about JAMA to balance it out. Given the importance of JAMA, this entry should be much longer. Nbauman 06:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise that the info in article space doesn't say what you say above? Where is the actual compromise? It smacks a bit of OR the way it is written at the moment. Brevity of articlespace is not a reason to avoid WEIGHT. Shot info 06:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added some info showing that the Lundberg firing was widely seen as a violation of editorial independence. Doesn't help making that section shorter, though. Someone should really make the earlier ones longer, then. Rl 08:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have no problems with this, but since about 50% of an article is a single event relating to a single editor, it voilates WEIGHT. I agree that the article needs fleshing out however other journals are just as short as JAMA even though JAMA is a little bit more famous than others. Shot info 22:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, R1. There were articles in virtually every major medical and scientific journal about the Lundberg firing, and I think every one supported Lundberg.

Shot info, do you read JAMA, or have you ever read it regularly? Nbauman 21:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nbauman, do you read WP policies and guidelines, or have you even read them regularly? Shot info 22:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peace

Alright folks, no need to get angry. Shot info raised a valid concern. That said, WP:WEIGHT is primarily concerned with giving undue weight to minority views, which is not the issue at hand. The Lundberg firing and the reaction to it is verifiable and probably the most discussed JAMA-related event of the past few decades. Editorial independence is a big deal. The problem is of course, the more we explain why this event is notable, the more weight we add to that section. Alas, media such as scientific journals are not in the business of generating news themselves, and if they do, it's often a controversy such as this. Rl 08:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Amastacy

Amastacy, if as your sig implies, you work for the AMA (perhaps you are Stacy L. Christiansen), you are forbidden by Wikipedia rules (which you can see on your own talk page User talk:Amastacy) from editing an entry about your own employer. I'm sure you did it inadvertently, but these are pretty serious rules and you will be blocked very quickly if you violate them.

You can however discuss the entry in Talk and make suggestions about what you think could go in the article. Given the importance of JAMA, this should be a fairly long entry.

I personally am not interested in a list of the mission statement, but I would like a few examples (with links) of some examples of articles JAMA has published which illustrate how they meet that mission statement, recently or historically. Nbauman 05:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, the talk page didn't contain any of that – it didn't even exist. Also, it is my understanding that editing the entry of your employer is generally frowned upon. But where does it say that it is forbidden? Rl 08:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why that link isn't consistently working, but right now, the page says:

Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products, or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, will be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, see Wikipedia:Spam.

Nbauman 19:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating. When I go to User talk:Amastacy, I see this:

I reverted your edit in JAMA because it replaced a short article with a mere list of ten "critical objectives" literally lifted from a JAMA web page. If, as your edit summary implies, some of the information in the article is incorrect, please point it out. Also, I suggest reading Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.

Which is what I put there this morning. Anyhow, I take it you agree that Wikipedia rules do not forbid editors working on the articles about their employers. Rl 19:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Jama logo.gif

Image:Jama logo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

As a patent lawyer, I happen to agree that Wikipedia is actually violating the copyright priveleges of the AMA; but again, this is Wikipedia, where excuses and 'talk pages' seem to be simply and easily made up as excuses for 'why' something is done.Tatumstevens (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The image in question has been deleted years ago. It is not obvious to me how the article as it is violates AMA copyright. Care to enlighten me? Rl (talk) 06:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JAMA-français

I wonder why it has become fashionable all of a sudden to remove information on JAMA-français ([1], [2]) – information that was merged from a separate article back in June. And why {{fact}}? It's not as if it was difficult to find sources on the subject (e.g. [3], [4]). Also, what has WP:WEIGHT got to do with anything? Rl (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Error in Superlative Status?

Why do articles for the NEJM and JAMA both indicate that the respective journals are the most read/circulated? Surely there needs to either be further clarification or better and more accurate citations for at least one of these entries. (Another example of Wikipedia as a sub-par source for information these days...). Tatumstevens (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editor

If all goes well, on July 1 we can change the editor. I saw it was changed prematurely to the announced future editor but now it is back to the correct one. Here's a press release.[5] Jesanj (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed New Section: "Bias and Unreliability in JAMA Articles"

I'm aware of one obviously fake "study" intended only to have a desired political outcome on the matter of e-cigarettes, but want to know if there are any others.Jonny Quick (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lundberg Firing

'After the controversial firing of an editor-in-chief, George D. Lundberg, a process was put in place to ensure editorial freedom'

The above implies that Lundburg was fired due to him somehow preventing "editorial freedom" but comments in these discussion pages indicate the opposite, that Lundburg was fired and then some editorial freedoms were lost. Which is it, and why doesn't the article indicate this clearly?Jonny Quick (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]