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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 19 August 2013, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia, U.S., Withdrawn, 24 July 2014, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 23 November 2016, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (American state), Not moved, 5 January 2018, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 6 April 2019, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 11 July 2021, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Procedural close, 17 January 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Speedy close, 24 April 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 29 September 2023, Discussion

Older discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 2003
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 6 May 2004, Discussion (Poll)
RM, Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia, Opposed, 23 May 2005, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 5 July 2006, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 11 July 2007, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 15 March 2008, Discussion

The "Georgia" move discussions in a nutshell:

On Wikipedia, the placing of a word in parentheses in the title of an article is primarily used as a method of disambiguation, with the parenthesised word usually being a set that the article's subject is a part of.
The basic debate has been whether the Eurasian country should be the primary topic, and therefore does not need any parenthesised word in the title. Those in favor of such a move often argue that internationally recognised countries should take precedence over sub-national units like the U.S. state, though there are other suggested reasons for primary topic. Some proponents of a move have also argued that the current failure to recognize Georgia (the country) as the primary topic displays a U.S.-centric bias.
Opponents of such a renaming note that under Wikipedia's guidelines, the primary topic can be determined based on which one is significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings as well as which one is more important or significant. They generally dispute that the U.S. state of Georgia is any less important; in fact, given the significantly greater size of its population, economy (especially its film industry), geographical area, and main airport, many argue the U.S. state is actually more important despite sharing some of its sovereignty with the United States federal government and not having a seat in the United Nations. They have also argued in the past that since the Eurasian country was (at the time of the above linked discussions) being actually slightly less searched for than the U.S. state, the former should not be the primary topic. Based on all of the foregoing factors, some contend the U.S. state should be the primary topic with no qualifier in its title. Some opponents have also argued that having Georgia as a disambiguation page is a better way to catch cases where an article contains wikilinks to the bare name "Georgia" that should be disambiguated.

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Typo?

"Georgia consists of 159 counties, second only to Texas, with 254.[43] Georgia had 161 counties until the end of 1931, when Milton and Campbell were merged into Fulton."

Math Pop Quiz: If Georgia has 161 counties and two of them merge to form one county, how many counties does Georgia have left? Answer: 160, not 159. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.40.211 (talk) 01:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fulton County already existed, which is why it says "Milton and Campbell were merged into Fulton." - BilCat (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More on Pre-Columbian cultures?

The article only has one throwaway sentence about Georgia's history before Columbus. Although there are fewer sources available, could this be expanded a little? BenedictSpring (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sound spellings

I think every sound spelling you have for states is highly condescending. Do you really think people are unable to properly pronounce Georgia? I'm getting rid of them all.--67.84.73.254 (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has a global audience, not just an American one. I am certain that many readers of this article will be unsure of how to pronounce the name, just as you might appreciate guidance in pronouncing Liège or Łódź. So please don't remove all the pronunciation aids. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 21:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia, U.S. – Usually, to disambiguate place names by their location, we use commas - for example, we have Paris, Denmark, not Paris (Denmark). And while the state does need to be disambiguated from a country in Eurasia by the same name, I think that it clearly trumps anything else in the US for being the primary topic. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per WP:NCDAB, I get that it would not technically be inappropriate to disambiguate an ambiguous geographical name by "adding the name of a higher-level administrative division, separated by a comma". However, the current approach of parenthetically appending the generic class is also perfectly permissible, and is actually preferable in this case because it can be consistently applied in the same fashion to both of the subjects that need to be disambiguated: Georgia the state and Georgia the country. (The administrative division approach cannot be consistently applied to both, since there is no clear administrative division above the nation of Georgia.) ╠╣uw [talk] 14:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- If we needed such consistancy, then the page about capital city of the US would need to be called Washington (city) - but we call it Washington, D.C.; this is even though we can't disambiguate the other one (Washington (state)) with the administrative division above it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  We title the article "Washington, D.C." because that's common usage. It's not common usage (AFAIK) to call the state of Georgia "Georgia, U.S." ╠╣uw [talk] 15:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - current name fits the disambiguation guidelines on titles best. However, Georgia, U.S. (and all variations with and without punctuation) should redirect to the US state, if they don't already exist. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current name is fine and is how we usually disambiguate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm not convinced by the argument made by the OP, who is only using city, town and village articles like Paris, Denmark as a comparison. WP:NCPLACE#Disambiguation lists a wide range of topics and locations other than settlements, and they may either use the parenthetical disambiguation or the comma-convention. I could conversely argue that the U.S. state should remain having the parenthetical disambiguation just like Victoria (Australia), Amazonas (Brazilian state), Santa Cruz Department (Bolivia), and other provinces, states, and first-level administrative country subdivisions. Scanning through all the sub-cats of Category:First-level administrative country subdivisions, there is a mixture of both parenthetical disambiguation and comma-conventions, so unless there is a consensus for a massive page move to one or the other, there is not really any compelling reason for a single page move here. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are at least three other places called Georgia in the U.S. DrKiernan (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per my peers. ArcAngel (talk) ) 02:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per the reasons of the other opposers. GoodDay (talk) 13:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Paris example isn't good because the State, U.S. construction isn't used like City, State. It's just called Georgia (which is a U.S. state). kennethaw88 • talk 02:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - we're not going into this debate again. O N R (talk) 03:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per Zzyzx11. Comparing "the hamlet of Paris, Denmark" to a federated state that is much larger (geographically and economically) than many countries (including the aforementioned Denmark) is very much a comparison of apples to oranges. Further, if reliable sources do use "Georgia, U.S." to disambiguate the topic, it is infrequent enough that it isn't even a consideration as an article title per Wikipedia policy. The parenthetical disambiguation is the best choice because it serves the intended purpose; it lets readers know the most common title for the subject, which is Georgia, yet uses a parenthetical disambiguation to show which Georgia it is. I believe that the current title is in line with Wikipedia policy and reliable sources, and the justification that cities use commas (which is reflected by reliable sources) doesn't show that this article's title should be changed. - Aoidh (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I were equipped with tools; today, I would almost certainly be closing this discussion instead of saying: "of course not." It befuddles me that Od Mishehu could bring such an untenable proposition.—John Cline (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The Walking Dead Success..

Shouldn't be mentioned, that the whole "The Walking Dead" Success story of Robert Kirkman is setup in Georgia (why this lead me to here) ? Atlanta Savannah, Georgia, etc.) The Walking Dead (TV series) The Walking Dead (comic book) and The Walking Dead (video game) has a huge success and fan base and is famous worldwide. Those series make me really curious to visit once Georgia, so I can imagine, it could have some influence for the touristic industry of Georgia. Fatomeb (talk) 09:30, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of Style (Dates)

BilCat reverted an edit to Georgia citing the above. However, the relevant passage reads

Dates of events in countries using the Gregorian calendar at that time are given in the Gregorian calendar. This includes some of the Continent of Europe from 1582, the British Empire from 14 September 1752 and Russia from 14 February 1918 (see Gregorian calendar).

(my emphasis)

1733 is before 1752, so the date 1 February for the founding of Georgia is correct. Subject to any comments I'll revert back. 5.150.92.20 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:JG: "The dating method used should follow that used by reliable secondary sources (or if reliable sources disagree, that used most commonly, with an explanatory footnote)." Given that The State of Georgia's website uses February 12, 1733, we can go with that for now unless you can prove the the majority of reliable secondary sources use the old style date. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would imagine that the Library of Congress would have newspapers from the period and all of them (without exception) will give 1 February. But we don't have to go that far back - see [1]. 5.150.92.20 (talk) 09:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]