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Requested move 28 August 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved by User:nimbosa. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kalye Serye → KalyeSerye – KalyeSerye (no space) is more appropriate since it is the one being used in tv and online articles/reports. EddieWow (talk) 11:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per common form. Greg Kaye 02:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Agree, will merge and move these articles to one #KalyeSerye page very soon. —-— .:nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 20:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support for KalyeSerye, Oppose for "AlDub" to be merged into KalyeSerye. "AlDub" warrants its own article per the WP:N guidelines and is listed under the WikiProject Fictional characters. And the two reasonably different, "KalyeSerye" is a comedy sketch/segment, the "AlDub" is a pairing. Chihciboy (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merger proposal with AlDub

the rationale for merge proposal is because the concept and importance of AlDub cannot be separated out of context from KalyeSerye, the converse is also true: KalyeSerye CANNOT be discussed without AlDub because they are co-requisites, that is why a lot of duplicated material can be found in the two articles; KalyeSerye evolved out of the "Problem Solving" segment of Juan for All, All for Juan since AlDub became a phenomenon, with AlDub/KalyeSerye segment eventually replacing "Problem Solving" and all sources support this, can you find any article mentioning KalyeSerye without AlDub? or any article mentioning AlDub without KalyeSerye? that is impossible because they were born from the same womb at the same time and basically describing the same spontaneous phenomenon

therefore, AlDub deserves a prominent section in the KalyeSerye article (before the cast/characters) where both can be discussed with minimal duplication asnd repetition of the same material, I will be doing the integration of unique AlDub material and removing redundancies and maybe you can criticize later, this will be a very careful merge, I promise —-— .:nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 06:11, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am concerned that your notion of the KalyeSerye sketch and AlDub pairing being the same thing has led you to move the AlDub article without prior to discussing changing the direction of the it in its talk page. The article content of Aldub is independent from the KalyeSerye (e.g. commercial impact of the AlDub). And considering that the AlDub characters will crossover to different mediums apart from KalyeSerye, the AlDub pairing has merited its own article (per WP:Notability). Furthermore, the AlDub characters are listed under the Fictional characters WikiProject, which the Kalyeserye isn't eligible to be part of. Furthermore, there are sources mentioning AlDub WITHOUT the KalyeSerye (e.g. SunStar source, Manila Standard Today source, Philippine Star article). Chihciboy (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the consensus is about the renaming of Kalye Serye → KalyeSerye. THERE is NO consensus about merging AlDub → KalyeSerye, so I'm reverting it back to WP:STATUSQUO. Chihciboy (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Chihciboy the discussion is not yet closed, this is a merge proposal and I have finished merging the contents to KalyeSerye article.. pending consensus, AlDub page will be a redirect to KalyeSerye page, but because you rejected this proposal that does not mean there is a unanimous decision in your favor, right now, we have one vote for the merge (me) and one vote against the merge (you), I am sorry if you were offended, but I was being BOLD when I did the merge just like when you create a page and maintain it without anyone's approval, it is always our own initiative on Wikipedia, and I only want to minimize the duplication and discussion of the same content on more than one article when we can discuss this as a distinct yet prominent portion / chapter / heading of another article that contains a more general discussion; now if you INSIST on consensus, you should seek consensus based on our arguments mentioned here, right now we're even.. ONE ALL —-— .:nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 03:56, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Agree with Chihciboy's stand. I believe that AlDub deserves a separate article because they are characters that can be discussed as a separate topic; as Chihciboy already said above, there are numerous articles already discussing AlDub without mentioning or associating it with KalyeSerye. Yes, KalyeSerye plays a huge part in the development of AlDub as a couple, but that does not mean AlDub cannot stand alone when it is being discussed without the KalyeSerye. Comparing the AlDub and KalyeSerye's articles here as of this writing, the audience and even cultural implications for this phenomenon is more directly attributable to AlDub, though KalyeSerye has its own fair share on this. Just to summarize my stand, both AlDub and KalyeSerye deserves to be published as separate articles. Although I would suggest that in KalyeSerye article, those that are considered redundant sections should be merged with AlDub, not the other way around. I hope these points will be considered. Geoffbits (talk) 08:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Chihciboy. I think the recent McDo commercial supports the argument that AlDub can stand outside of KalyeSerye. Jedjuntereal (talk) 10:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Is KalyeSerye a portion or a segment of Eat Bulaga!? The article refers to it as a segment but KalyeSerye is part of the Juan For All, All For Juan segment of Eat Bulaga!. Or are segment and portion just means the same (in a TV Show)? (EddieWow (talk) 03:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC))[reply]

"Portion" and "segment" are synonymous. I think that in the broadcast industry, the term segment is used most often. In the context of KalyeSerye, it is a segment within a segment. By definition, a segment is any of the parts into which something can be divided. --Jojit (talk) 05:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is clearly discussed in the article that KalyeSerye is an introductory/prefatory (sub)portion of the segment called Juan For All, All For Juan in fact it evolved from and eventually succeeded the portion called "Problem Solving" within the Juan For All, All For Juan segment. In the broadcast industry, a program segment usually has its own segment producer and production staff, while a portion is a distinct part of the program/segment but usually has the same producer and production team as the rest of the show/segment. So for the purpose of this article, it is clear that KalyeSerye is a portion of the Juan For All, All For Juan segment of Eat Bulaga! I hope this makes sense. NOW folks, Jojit and (EddieWow please chime your votes in regarding the merge proposal above, I think there is a lot of duplicate material discussed in both articles AlDub and KalyeSerye enough to merit to merge AlDub as a section/subheading within the KalyeSerye article to discuss it further without redundancy on Wikipedia —-— .:nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 04:17, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]