Talk:Survivor: Cambodia

Sources for Cut Candidates

I mean, again, Redmond Martin is clearly a good source considering he WAS accurate with the other names - and what makes Reality Blurred a non-legitimate source? All other such seasons, like Caramoan and Blood vs. Water, have similar sections detailing candidates who were cut, so why not this one? 169.231.59.50 (talk) 21:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

@169.231.59.50: Because Redmond has refused to reveal his sources (and even said himself that not all of the sources were 100% certain/reliable), it's unknown as to how he acquired the information that didn't pan out. In the corresponding sections of previous seasons, the direct sources are revealed, such as the contestants themselves, other contestants, Jeff Probst, or Mark Burnett; it's one thing to say "Contestant X claimed they were approached but were later cut," but another to say "There was a guy on the internet who said someone told them X was approached but later cut." Redmond has a great track record, but it's only notable once it's been verified by another source—in the case of the 32 candidates, it was only legitimate once verified by the official CBS poll. Once we get that verification, then it can be included. - Katanin (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Redmond as a RS

Can we start to consider Redmond as a reliable source now? I mean, he obviously has a great track record and now has his own website. What makes Reality Blurred and Dalton Ross reliable sources, but not Redmond? ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 23:28, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Dalton Ross is considered a reliable source because he gets his information from CBS directly, and whenever we use Reality Blurred (usually for the next year's location), the article usually comes with a source of some kind; see this article, which clearly outlines the deductional process by which the writer came to the conclusion of where the season's location was. Redmond does not reveal his sources, and has also been wrong in the past, re:Natalie Bolton for the Second Chance vote. I personally follow Redmond and take his stuff seriously, but because there's no way to know whether or not the information he receives is truly from one of his legitimate sources or from a new, unvetted one, there's no accountability, and thus not reliable enough for Wikipedia. - Katanin (talk) 07:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

It is better to put nothing at all than Survivor 32 because for sure it is not called Survivor 32. Either you put nothing or the correct one. Redmond has a good chance to be correct. In any case, either nothing or Redmond's is better than Survivor 32. 108.162.157.141 (talk) 16:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Then by that logic, we may as well just put nothing; the name Survivor: Koh Rong has not yet been confirmed by a reliable source. - Katanin (talk) 17:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Past season placement in contestant table

Someone had put past season placement in the contestant table, then someone reverted it, then I put it back in, and then someone else removed it again. I have left it alone, but it seems worthwhile to put in there (though it is not in there for All-Stars or HvV). I was wondering if anyone else can share their sentiments? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I would be fine with it (provided it's worded/formatted well, like ", xth place"), but my biggest hesitation would be for seasons with three- or four-time players; then what? Let's take Rupert in BvW; would people be okay for his row looking like this?

Contestant	Original tribe	Swapped tribe	Switched tribe	Merged tribe	Voted out	Redemption Island	Finish
Rupert Boneham 49, Indianapolis, Indiana Pearl Islands, 8th place All-Stars, 4th place Heroes vs. Villains, 6th place	Galang	None			Switched Day 1	Lost 1st duel Day 4	20th Day 4

With two-timers, like this entire cast, it doesn't look bad at all, and is informative without distracting from the rest of the content. But then you have something like the above. Thoughts? - Katanin (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: Seeing it, I don't actually think it'd be that much of an issue, so put me down for a Support. But again, as long as the wording/formatting is proper (e.g. commas, xth place, runner-up, etc.) - Katanin (talk) 20:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC) See below. - Katanin (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

My opinion is that it is unnecessary clutter. Their placing in their past season doesn't really mean anything in the seaon. It isn't like they are being ranked or given extra advantage by how they placed (though that would be interesting). It ends up being trivia. The placing should be removed out of the non-selected table for similar reasons; it doesn't matter where they placed as placing didn't factor in such as weighted voting. I seem to remember making a similar argument with past seasons, but I'm too lazy to look it up. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Valid. I no longer really care either way. Though the placement is important for the non-selected table because of Mike winning, but if people are cool with that being removed then that's fine with me. - Katanin (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, I don't care too much about either way as well; I just wanted to get a consensus before doing anything. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Season 32 page

Since we have details and since the 32nd season has taped already (Survivor: Cambodia will tape starting Friday). I don't think it hurts to leave an article open about next season, which will air in February 2016. VegasCasinoKid (talk) 07:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

As I stated to you on my talk page, "beyond the fact that it has already filmed in Cambodia and is the 32nd season of Survivor, we don't have any information on it from a reliable source; what's the point in keeping a page up for months when we know there's nothing we can add to it, beyond being a magnet for unsourced edits? It isn't worth the hassle, and right now there's nothing we can say about it that isn't already on the series page." - Katanin (talk) 14:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Katanin: Season 32 was what I was talking about when I made the section about Redmond. I still stand by my thinking that Redmond is a RS. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 00:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Totaldramaman: And again, my argument remains that he is not. Him having his own website is meaningless; anyone can have a website and post anything. It's a combination of WP:SPS and WP:CRYSTAL, in that Redmond's information is unverified at the moment, and isn't confirmed until corroborated by a reliable source, like CBS. Even now, Redmond is admittedly unsure as to the exact season name; regardless, there's no proof that Redmond won't just wake up one day and decide to punk us all. Not saying he will, just that he very well may and can, given that his website is self-published. - Katanin (talk) 01:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Katanin: I still don't think it hurts for Season 32 have it's own page now, but I'm not going to revert the redirect if that's going to cause an edit war. VegasCasinoKid (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Candidates table + Cast table

Why couldn't we keep this as the candidates table and then make a new cast table when CBS releases the pregame stuff on their site? There's bound to be new "official" info (i.e. ages [like Kelley's age being incorrect on the ballot. like, she was such a nobody that the people who put her on the ballot forgot that her damn birthday (/Rodney) was during the show.]).

List of Survivor: Second Chance candidates

Name	Age	Hometown	Original season	Finish
Joe Anglim	25	Scottsdale, Arizona	Worlds Apart	10th
Vytas Baskauskas	35	Santa Monica, California	Blood vs. Water	10th
Spencer Bledsoe	22	Chicago, Illinois	Cagayan	4th
Jeremy Collins	37	Foxborough, Massachusetts	San Juan del Sur	10th
Teresa "T-Bird" Cooper	56	Jackson, Georgia	Africa	5th
Brad Culpepper	45	Tampa, Florida	Blood vs. Water	15th
Max Dawson	38	Topanga, California	Worlds Apart	14th
Terry Deitz	55	Simsbury, Connecticut	Panama	3rd
Ciera Eastin	26	Salem, Oregon	Blood vs. Water	5th
Stephen Fishbach	36	New York, New York	Tocantins	Runner-up
Tasha Fox	39	St. Louis, Missouri	Cagayan	6th
Abi-Maria Gomes	35	Los Angeles, California	Philippines	5th
Mike Holloway	38	Fort Worth, Texas	Worlds Apart	Sole Survivor
Woo Hwang	31	Newport Beach, California	Cagayan	Runner-up
Kimmi Kappenberg	42	The Woodlands, Texas	The Australian Outback	12th
Peih-Gee Law	37	San Francisco, California	China	5th
Kass McQuillen	42	Tehachapi, California	Cagayan	3rd
Keith Nale	54	Keithville, Louisiana	San Juan del Sur	4th
Shirin Oskooi	32	San Francisco, California	Worlds Apart	8th
Monica Padilla	30	Queens, New York	Samoa	7th
Shane Powers	44	Los Angeles, California	Panama	5th
Jim Rice	39	Denver, Colorado	South Pacific	12th
Carolyn Rivera	53	Queens, New York	Worlds Apart	Co runner-up
Troy "Troyzan" Robertson	53	Miami, Florida	One World	8th
Andrew Savage	51	San Jose, California	Pearl Islands	10th
Natalie Tenerelli	24	Studio City, California	Redemption Island	2nd runner-up
Sabrina Thompson	37	Brooklyn, New York	One World	Runner-up
Stephanie Valencia	30	San Diego, California	Redemption Island	14th
Jeff Varner	49	Greensboro, North Carolina	The Australian Outback	10th
Kelley Wentworth	29	Seattle, Washington	San Juan del Sur	14th
Kelly Wiglesworth	37	Greensboro, North Carolina	Borneo	Runner-up
Mikayla Wingle	25	Miami, Florida	South Pacific	14th

And maybe add a column for if they've been eliminated/went through?

List of Survivor: Second Chance candidates

Name	Age	Hometown	Original season	Finish	Result
Joe Anglim	25	Scottsdale, Arizona	Worlds Apart	10th	Pass
Teresa "T-Bird" Cooper	56	Jackson, Georgia	Africa	5th	Fail

~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 19:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Why reintegrate the two tables? That just makes things more confusing, even if we add the "Pass/Fail" column. Given the way the pages are typically organized, with two separate sections for Casting and Contestants, reintegrating the tables when we know the full cast is unnecessary. If anything needs a change, I'd say returning the castaways table to the sortable version (a la the non-selected candidates) until we get tribes, given that right now we have one sortable column, which is useless. If there's any new/corrected information in the official August pre-game release, we can add it then. - Katanin (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Katanin: I'd now added the tribes for this season: Bayon and Takeo, which was announced by Entertainment Weekly and according to the source: [1]. ApprenticeFan ^work 16:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Tribe Color

How do you put in the colors for the new tribes?

Angkor tribe color

http://www.planetbuff.com/survivor-31-cambodia-second-chance-angkor-tribe-butterscotch.html The Angkor tribe color and name has been leaked. What shade of yellow should we be using? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:05, 1 October 2015 (UTC) style="background:#e8b60d;"|Angkor Looks like someone already made this. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

"Split tribe" vs. "Switched tribe"

Currently the article has the upcoming switch from two tribes to three tribes labelled as "Split tribes". however I think it should read "Switched tribe", assuming that the switch is entirely random and none of the original tribal divisions remain somewhat intact. For seasons that switched from three or four tribes to two, the switch is labelled as "Switched tribes" instead of "Absorbed tribes" or "Dissolved tribes" (Survivor: Philippines and Survivor: All-Stars are exceptions, however in both of those seasons all members of one tribe were divided amongst the other two tribes, therefore the original tribes largely remained intact). Thoughts? OctoMocto (talk) 02:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Past precedent is irrelevant here. Tribes have never before increased in number. Split is appropriate as they are being split up from 2 to 3, not being jumbled up. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

They seem to be going to be jumbled like a typical tribe switch, only to be jumbled to 3 tribes instead of 2. A non-jumbled split (similar to absorption in All-Stars and Philippines) would mean that no one from Ta Keo would go to the new Bayon and vice-versa, and seeing some press photos and seeing Redmond's news I think it would be random. Tribe shuffle/switch is applicable here, only difference is that they would go to 1 of 3 rather than 1 of 2. I edit in Survivor Wiki and I use the term Auxiliary Tribe for the additional tribe so you could use "Auxillary Tribe" instead if you want (similarly to Absorbed Tribe used before) Zjzr (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

The problem is, this is not typical, it is something that has never been done. Switch would be inappropriate, because on Wikipedia Survivor articles it has the very meaning you just described. What is happening here is an increase in tribe numbers (with a jumble). Since it is unprecedented, it is okay to call it something other than switch. Also, there may still be a proper tribe switch or a crunch back down to 2 something between this episode and the merge, so the term "switched" should be saved. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

You could differentiate it as 1st switch and 2nd switch. That being said, it can't be "split" because you didn't split the members of the two tribes into three, you removed all castaways from the game, then reassigned them to the three new tribes. An "additional" tribe seems more appropriate, or as I said "Auxillary tribe" (just like absorbed tribe in which the term is used as a header even though only one tribe was absorbed). Zjzr (talk) 10:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

First challenge ?

I don't know why the marooning challenge is not counted as a reward challenge in the table. Jeff Probst clearly said that it was "their first challenge", and it didn't look really different from the others, with Probst's usual running commentaries. The fact that Woo single-handedly won it for Ta Keo could be a deterrent, but I don't think it is the only tribal challenge in Survivor history that has been single-handedly won by a castaway. 92.155.140.224 (talk) 20:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Spoilers before episode airs?

As of this writing, there are spoilers on the page on an elimination before the episode in question has aired. Shouldn't this be removed?