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Georges Wolinski

Georges Wolinski was born in Tunisia and had a mother who was from Tunisia. That makes him a "Maghrebian" (Maghrebian community of Paris covers Muslims and Jews) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright.. I'm looking through references. Here's one thing I found:

He does say here that he considers Tunis to be "his" city: http://www.huffpostmaghreb.com/2015/01/07/wolinski-attentat-tunisie_n_6430130.html ("Il se rappelle également avec nostalgie de ses souvenirs d'enfance dans certains endroits de "sa" ville comme la maison de son enfance, rue de Marseille ou la pâtisserie de son grand-père à l'Avenue de Paris.")

Another: Oftentimes ethnic identity isn't as simple as the passport. One article talking about students in international schools stated that they have difficulty deciding who they are since they often move between places, are in different educational environments, and have different parents.

Using your Frenchman example: If his mother was American he could think of himself as such (since he was born in the USA he would automatically have US citizenship even if he had no American parents).

Third: Maybe the title should be changed, but when I wrote Maghrebian community of Paris I intended for it to be about all people living in the Paris region who have North African blood, including all nationalities and all religions, even if they split themselves up into sub-groups and only socialize within those subgroups. The focus is intentionally broad. I'm open for it to be renamed. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why they are discussed about in a single article is because a lot of the references I consulted discuss "North Africans" as a single group. A lot of how these categories are decided is how the literature (books, magazines, newspaper articles, etc.) defines the group of people. A lot of the sources I consulted discuss "North Africans" and "Maghrebin" and "Franco-Maghrebians" while some which refer to Maurice Papon's crackdown refer to "Algerians."

Example: Davidson p. 129 states: "The "community" of Algerians, Moroccans, and Tunisians, however, was certainly not monolithic, as even the police acknowledged in their discussion of the North African "populations" of the Paris region"" but the rest of the essay still refers to "North Africans."

I wonder if the issue could be fixed by using the title "North African communities in Paris" with communities being plural? If North African has a better connotation that name could be used instead. Then "communities" would show that there are many different communities rather than just one. What do you think? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the title to North African communities of Paris, and I linked to Pied-Noirs from that article. I can do the same from Wolinski's article too WhisperToMe (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BTW there are other instances where broad ethnic groups have many subgroups:

Indo-Canadians in Greater Toronto - "Indo-Canadian" refers to any Canadian of any South Asian background, so Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, etc. are all included
Armenians in Los Angeles - Armenians are divided depending on which country they originated from: Armenia, Turkey, Iran, Lebanon/Syria, and/or Egypt. Iranian Armenians are also discussed in Iranians in Los Angeles: Iranians themselves may be divided into Muslims, Jews, atheists, and/or Christian Armenians

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:55, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how many French come from Libya or Mauritania (or whether they are counted as North Africans/Maghrebin). I think if Wolinsky identifies as any one of the subgroups (for example: "Tunisian") I think it would satisfy things. In the North African communities in Paris I cited the quote that says that the "North African" group has many different types of subgroups WhisperToMe (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]