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Love the picture. Just about sums up the UK, really. Deb 18:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Deb. I wanted to contact you about your original Gilsland page, but could not work out how to - I hope you can see this ! I put this photo on because I am tired of the same old idealised blue-sky pictures used to promote everywhere and everything. I welcome visitors to and interest in Gilsland, but let them come because they are interested and adventurous, not because they are impressed with our PR. Rnorve, 2nd October 2006

Neutrality

There are several phrases here that don't quite live up to Wikipedia's standard of neutrality: "the most spectacular", "uncomfortably", the use of quotation marks on "development", "it remains to be seen", "the best guide book", "only competent history...much plagiarised". That's why I've tagged the article.

Also, it should probably be mentioned as the seat of the Dacre family. Someone should have a look at this, I'll do it if I can find the time, but it would of course be much appreciated if someone volunteered. Lampman (talk) 20:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've worked on the lead section. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What should be mentioned as the seat of the Dacres/Vaux's/Local Nobs ? Gilsland village or The Barony of Gilsland ? They ain't the same thing. Rnorve (talk) 10:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - not quite neutral - clearly the work of someone who's made their mind up! I think it deserves better, and I've added it my action list. While I'm here - have you seen the link at the bottom?

C.Michael Hogan (2007) Hadrian's Wall, ed. Andy Burnham, The Megalithic Portal - A brief summary of
what we don't know about Hadrian's Wall

If HE doesn't know it, not a lot of use! Anyway, this article is about Gilsland (and I remember it just as in the picture!), and THAT web-page contains nothing about Gilsland, and little about Hadrian's Wall that isn't ill-informed or just plain wrong. I've removed it. Rambler24 (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Totally unverified claims about King Arthur and St Patrick

What's with the line about "Two outstanding, if somewhat mythical characters from this time, King Arthur and Saint Patrick, probably came from the Gilsland area."? Someone has put "citation needed" against this, but with no evidence at all stated for this claim, which go against everything else written about these two, it would surely be far, far better to delete the sentence completely. Zythophile (talk) 05:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "Gill" in Gilsland

The earliest surviving documents concerning the barony of Gilsland make somewhat garbled reference to the pre-Norman leader or landowner as "Gilles son of Boeth", "Gilles de Boed" and similar formulations, and to his sons or brothers struggling to regain the territory from Meschin's successors the de Vaux family.

"Gilles de Boite" is clearly a name following the common Gaelic pattern, "gille" meaning a lad or servant + a name of a master or patron, often a saint.

Gillebrigte son of Fergus Lord of Galloway died in 1185. Fergus had expanded and consolidated the Galloway lordship earlier in life, but then lost control of much of his land before his own death in 1160 - under punitive attacks from the Scottish king Malcolm iv, and because his of a breakdown in relations with his former ally Somhairle mc Gillebridgte, Lord of the Isles, whose territory went up along the west coast of Scotland. He partitioned his expanded Galloway Lordship between his sons Uchtred and Gillebrigte and retired to a monastery.

It is entirely possible that the land was named for either of these two Gillebrigtes or for an ancestor of Fergus'.

If not Gillebrigte, the name is likely to be very similar, perhaps Gilleasbuig / Gille Easbaig (= son of the bishop). Again, it would make sense that the large area covered by the barony would be named for (owned by) someone from a powerful family.