Talk:Beth Medrash Govoha

Sedorim times

Those sedorim times are incorrect. Talk about the yeshivas acceptance policy (twice a year)and rename the article.

So tell us what's correct and we'll change it. Shkoyach. - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have been a student at the Yeshivah for over 7 years and those were the soderim times, they are posted on a small note in a locked up bulletin board that is located in the main beis madrash (it might not be ther anymore but was there when I was still there in 2004). If they are not correct then please by all means corrcet them.

I do plan on writing up the acceptance policy and procedure, just give me some time. --Shmaltz 05:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Shouldn't the article be under "Beth Medrash Govoha" since that is the actual name of the yeshiva? Not the popular name - "Lakewood Yeshiva"

Agree - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree JJ211219 03:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename / change existing to redirect Alansohn 03:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Please add votes to the poll below. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about naming yeshivas

There is no "one best way" to name any yeshiva on Wikipedia. There is an unresolved debate on Wikipedia about how to name yeshivas, see the long discussions still underway about this issue at Talk:Telshe yeshiva#Best name for the institution and this article. Thanks. IZAK 08:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are few enough to handle on an individual basis. - CrazyRussian talk/email 11:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about a redirect?--Shmaltz 15:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. Tell us how you want the primary article to be named tho? - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it makes any difference. --Shmaltz 00:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it makes no difference then why bring this up in the first place? IZAK 01:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to say it makes no difference with one is a redirect. But I do think that there should be called Beth Madrash Govoha or at least that Beth Madrash Govoha should be redirected. --Shmaltz 02:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

faucets

The following makes no sense:

- Special faucets that can be used with just using a quart and not one's hands, as required by Halacha when washing one's hands for ritual washing of hands before eating bread..

And the following is a very insignificant fact:

- Special faucets for hot drinking water, for tea and/or coffee.

I think they should be removed (I tried to yesterday but my change was reverted).

- - OK, done. Please don't remove bunches of text without any explanation whatsoever. - CrazyRussian talk/email 18:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I might agree that the hot water faucets is an insignificant fact (I don't realy agree since if/when you see it you can't but wonder about it), I do disagree about the faucets that don't require ones hand to activate them, as it is very noticable when you have a washing room with more than 20 faucets and none of those allow you to use your hands to operate them. --Shmaltz 00:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naming poll

Lakewood yeshiva - or Beth Medrash Govoha?

Please vote here. Poll will close ~~IY"H~~ on August 1, 2006.
Proposed by - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lakewood yeshiva supporters

I like this name because it is so widespread and it in no way detracts from its greatness. When was the last time anyone heard of a yeshiva bochur saying he was learning in the "Beth Medrash Govoha." In any case, these kind of votes can swing in both directions at any time, and since the editors who have worked on this article so far have given the article the "Lakewood yeshiva" name it should be left alone for now. IZAK 01:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't have a strong view on the merits either way, but agree that when in doubt, principle that editors should not be interfered with too unduly should control. Also, the Yeshiva is almost certainly much more notable in the English-speaking world by its English colloquial name than by its Hebrew one, especially since this Yeshiva has spawned a whole approach. The "Lakewood point of view" is a well-known term, and I've never in my life heard of the "Medrash Govoha point of view." I imaging many notable yeshivas in the English-speaking world are more notable by their colloquial English names. --Shirahadasha 06:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
More well-known name. Who ever heard of Beth Medrash Govoha? Aside from that, that name is a pretty inaccurate version (it's British-style) of the name. I always oppose that. When did you hear any mention 'beth medrash'? It's 'beis', not 'beth'. Anyway, that's not the issue here, since 'beth' is their official name I guess. In any case, I vote for 'Lakewood yeshiva'. --Daniel575 07:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
--רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 21:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC) (Basically for the same reasons as everyone above)[reply]

Beth Medrash Govoha supporters

Official name - we must honor that I think. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree JJ211219 03:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename / change existing to redirect Alansohn 03:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Beis Medrash Govoha - a simple "Lakewood yeshiva" redirect should suffice -- Nesher 12:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, the official name should be the WiKi name. Yossiea 13:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

~~Whoever is proposing this "poll" has not signed their name with the four tildes ~~~~ so that it can be asked if anyone agrees with him/her?~~ Perhaps there should be a a "poll" to know if a poll is needed here? This vote is premature and it is probably a bad idea. Is Wikipedia now going to decide what the world's yeshivas should call themselves or should be called by the world at large, within a deadline yet? IZAK 01:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I was bold in proposing this poll. Anyone who wishes to uphold the status quo and objects to the poll may express s/his displeasure by voting for Lakewood yeshiva. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hi Crz: "Being bold" is not the same as "being anonymous" and it certainly does not amount to having the right to leave important proposals unsigned. Editors have the right to know who is behind any proposed anything on Wikipedia. IZAK 01:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"IY"H" should not be used on Wikipedian communications, this is not Frumpedia. IZAK 02:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Harsh... - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Nope, and please don't tamper frivously with my edits. Thanks. IZAK 02:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't understand this poll, since both Beth Medrash Govoha and Lakewood yeshiva work, and take you to the same article, whats the point? The only difference I can see is that non redirects show up first on Google, which is not significant enough to create a poll.--Shmaltz 02:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're both saying, in essense, I should have just moved it unilaterally instead of asking? I don't understand... - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If thats how you read my comment, sure I don't see why not. That is if this is an issue. --Shmaltz 03:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Concluding the naming poll

By a 5-4 squeak, we have decided to move the article to Beth Medrash Govoha, which shall be done forthwith. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tempted to make it 5-5 and then "kol d'alim govar!!!' Phetter 16:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Too late, reb yid! :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whatch me :) Phetter 17:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To tell you the truth, I really couldn't care less. I'm just getting a kick out of the whole thing. By the by did anyone ask R' Aaron the CEO yet what HE would like? Phetter 17:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think thats a must, for all *he* knows the "A Rabbi Arron Kotler advanced institute for higher education" means him. --Shmaltz 18:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]