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Questionable notability. Possibly better to merge with main article. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) may the force be with you 21:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep - the notability is far from questionable, and merging is a matter of a merging discussion, not an AfD (although I probably wouldn't merge, due to length). I note also that this was an arguably WP:POINTY nomination, see this. LjL (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You have criticised the concept of these articles now are !voting speedy keep. You're a wonder. AusLondonder (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or conversely, one could say that because of the specific aftermath there, Hussein's condolences are all the more interesting. LjL (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They don't automatically become non-notable either, though. Which part of WP:Notability do they fail (especially reactions to 9/11, though the question could hold for reactions to less notable events)? The specific WP:Indiscriminate section doesn't seem to provide an example that applies, and on the entire lengthy page, I'm not finding one really suitable "what Wikipedia is not" for it, when looking at their provided explanations. WP:NOTQUOTE is the only thing I see that remotely applies, and only when reactions are excessively given in the form of quotations. LjL (talk) 02:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why it's of any value at all to document that President X of country Y said that the events of 9/11 were ... well, fill in the blank. Responses come in two flavors: "responses" in terms of military action and political decisions, and those are of course relevant. The other "response", the verbal response, comes in two kinds--words of support, anger, sympathy, and such, and the rare support for the terrorist attack. I don't see why those words, which in the end really don't mean very much, should have an article devoted to them. As far as I'm concerned, that's common sense.

Not everything that can be verified is worth writing about, and a slavish dependence on "it's verified" means, in the end, the death of editorial discretion and common sense. Moreover, it steers us toward content that's severely slanted to what "the media" think is worthwhile repeating--which is typically that which happens in the developed world with a 24/7 news cycle and people who are very much like the typical en-Wikipedia contributor. That is, if all we go by is newspaper and website reports, which is what we're doing in articles like this one, a suicide attack in Lebanon is much less important than a suicide attack in Paris. Guess what, a comparison of the sizes of November 2015 Paris attacks (over 100k) and 2015 Beirut bombings (17k) bears that out, and more than half of the Beirut article actually consists of "responses". I mean, if that isn't a representational kind of bias I don't know what is: we're clearly suggesting that the one is more important than the other. We're not the news; we should take the longer view, and that's why we should not devote our time and energy to articles like this one. Drmies (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep - the reactions from this tragic event was a major event with widespread coverage and in today's society. It easily passes WP:GNG and this is a an extreme WP:SNOW. Adog104 Talk to me 20:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]