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Astrid Zachrison

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This is a classic case of Permanent Stub. We know nothing but her name, birthdate and where she lived. If you look through the history and talk page there are even questions about what day she died on. The entire article is sourced to one local newspaper, Appropriately called The Local, suggesting the two short stories were simple local human interest stories of a WP:ROUTINE nature. Put her on a list and WP:NOPAGE the dear departed lady. Legacypac (talk) 07:50, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 08:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 08:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 08:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the fact that she died on her birthday matter? Does dying on their birthday make them notable? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:37, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WAX. The solution may be to delete/redirect the Elsa Moberg article than keep this one. CommanderLinx (talk) 11:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently you are more likely to die on your birthday then any other day, so that reduces notability. [1][2] Legacypac (talk) 10:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That added nothing of note, but rather confirmed she lived a long unremarkable life as a hpmemaker who did not even try to live long. Legacypac (talk) 05:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to say that I appreciate that Inception's been adding {{spas}} to his/her own posts proactively, saving others the trouble of doing so. EEng (talk) 06:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete NOPAGE. No encyclopedic material. Not even worth a merge or redirect. 07:22, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete Yet another "Born, lived, had children, lived, had grand children, lived some more then died after a lot of living" article. While living to a ripe old age is impressive, not actually doing anything notable beyond that is not grounds for an article. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Blackmane (talk) 11:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Actually, I'm going to change my !vote to Delete and Redirect after some thought. There are enough sources to minimally satisfy notability, but the article certainly will not expand beyond a stub / start class article. No matter how in depth the coverage, unless the lady did something extraordinary in her life, beyond living over 100, there is little any article could say other than "born, lived, married, had children, had grand children, died." Blackmane (talk) 03:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the deletionists in this AfD seem to think that being the oldest person in a country and being a supercentarian is non-notable. But that is an opinion. The guidelines says otherwise. Period. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where in the notability guidelines does it say "being a supercentenarian makes you notable"? CommanderLinx (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't matter anyway, since the question at hand is WP:NOPAGE/WP:PERMASTUB, not notability. EEng (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your comments are irrelevant because notability isn't the question on the table. It's WP:NOPAGE/WP:PERMASTUB. EEng (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article makes a rather clear claim of notability and backs up the claim with multiple reliable and verifiable sources with significant coverage about the subject necessary to create the article that is of typical size among our five million Wikipedia articles. The existence of corresponding articles in our Finnish, Russian and Swedish Wikipedia partners only adds further to evidence of support for notability by Wikipedia standards. Alansohn (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERLANGS, and if anything the Swedish version, in particular, confirms the WP:PERMASTUBiness, since this is a Swedish subject. EEng (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
that is a little hard to believe given 1200 years of recorded history. Getting old is such a not a big deal that generally poor records of it were kept until just the last few years, and then only in a few countries of the world are there decent records. Legacypac (talk) 08:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Coverage in sources and an all-time national record-holder suggests she is notable. As for the "NOPAGE/PERMASTUB" arguments: why are the longevity biographies in particular under attack? I don't see how they are any different than an enormous number of short articles on minor sports stars, politicians, etc. The general rule of thumb is that if someone meets WP:GNG, they are worthy of a standalone article. These are all individual people, not characters in a TV show. Someone who is the oldest EVER person from a country deserves their own article. Just because you personally don't find anything worthwhile in the article doesn't mean that others don't. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete then Redirect She was born. She married. Upon marrying she moved and became a housewife in her new town. She had a kid. After her husband died, she lived with the now-grown son and, eventually, in a nursing home. She died there on the same date as her birthday, 113 years prior. A bit of horserace material about the previous, world champion old person whose glorious reign ended when Zachrison ascended to the coveted Throne of Breathlonger. Her son said she did nothing special to stay breathing. Her own mom lived to be 90.

    Even if sourced, these facts do not amount to a stand-alone encyclopedia article.WP:ROUTINE, WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG It's precisely the sort of stuff that lead WP:PERMASTUB and WP:NOPAGE to counsel that the subject subject should be treated as an item in a list, with the name serving as a redirect term to the list. David in DC (talk) 17:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and Expand Astrid Zachrison is the oldest verified person ever from Sweden and the oldest person to ever have died in any of the Nordic countries. A comment such as "A bit of horserace material about the previous, world champion old person whose glorious reign ended when Zachrison ascended to the coveted Throne of Breathlonger", which was made by the above poster (David in DC) is downright insulting and clearly ageist. The most important thing regarding Mrs. Zachrison is not about who she married or how many children she had, it is that she is the oldest undisputed person ever from Sweden. This article should be expanded, deleting it is utter nonsense. 930310 (talk) 18:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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