Talk:Wheels (disambiguation)

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Requested move 4 December 2015

The request to rename this article to Wheels (disambiguation) has been carried out.

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Wheels → Wheels (disambiguation) – Seriously? This is as clear a WP:PLURALPT case as I have ever seen. Plural primary topics are particularly strong where the term in question comes in pairs or multiples, and other than a unicycle, every wheeled vehicle has at least two wheels. Move this page to the (disambiguation) title to redirect the title to Wheel. bd2412 T 03:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: so many uses of the plural, and anyone looking for the round thing seems more likely to search in the singular. First line of dab page immediately helps those who actually did type plural wanting singular. PamD 10:07, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do you say "anyone looking for the round thing seems more likely to search in the singular"? Do you have any evidence of this? Also, aren't most of the terms on the disambiguation page references to "the round thing", in the same way that Lions and Tigers and Bears are references to the animal? bd2412 T 13:34, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- User:PamD, sorry but as User:BD2412, plus why would someone search "Wheels" and mean a singular item (media product) off the dab list. Check "Wheels is", even hits for "..wheels is" refer to wheels. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support wheels are almost always plural. And certainly "Wheels" almost always refers to "Wheels". In ictu oculi (talk) 11:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Wheels are generally found with at least two much more often than just one. Egsan Bacon (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose largely per PamD. Wheels are actually discussed much more often in the singular than in the plural in reliable sources - see this ngram for "wheel is" versus "wheels are". The length of the Wheels dab page is an excellent argument for keeping it as a separate dab page, as per WP:PLURALPT: "Just as with any other title, a plural base title can direct to an article (Snickers), or to a dab page (Suns)." Dohn joe (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nonsense. Compare this more concretely grounded ngram for "has a wheel" versus "has wheels". bd2412 T 14:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  What do you mean, "nonsense"? How is my ngram not "concretely grounded"? It gives the simplest way to distinguish between plural and singular uses in running text. Compare this to other ngrams where words are more frequently used in the plural, as with skates and pants. Dohn joe (talk) 16:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - The argument is not whether wheels are more frequently referred to in the singular or the plural, but whether the word "wheels" most often refers to what PamD calls "the round things". A more representative search would be "wheels is" versus "wheels are", since all the meanings other than as a plural are for singular items named "Wheels", so one would say "Wheels is an album" or "Wheels is a town" rather than "wheels are" in those cases. bd2412 T 16:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]