Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive128

Dassaezu

He keeps on posting the little tidbits from the back of certain Goosebumps books. I've marked all so far as {{db-nonsense}}, as it seems to be pretty much patent nonsense, and I didn't want to have to go through the trouble of trying to mark it {{db-copyvio}}. Anyway, I'm sure the articles will be deleted in due time, as the administrators find them, but as for the user, I'm not sure what to do with him. I warned him once for reposting a deleted article, but that's about all I could do. Some administrator help here would be nice. tmopkisn ^tlka 16:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

{{User Modernbushido}} and Cyde

It's this one again. For the THIRD TIME, this template has been deleted without a TfD, and without my notice by Cyde (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Thi is very disconcerting to me, especially since it was deleted for "Cross-namespace redirect, see WP:ASR", which makes no sense, since its a template (not a redirect) and not a self-reference. Normally at this point I would contact Cyde, but I have found that Cyde tends to attack, flame, and ban people who speak against him for no reason, violating basically everything in WP:CIVIL at once.

I undertstand that the German Userbox Solution moves the templates to User Space, but also, compromise and consensus must be followed. according to WP:GUS, "Compromise is the source of community."

Someone should speak to Cyde about his problem with civility and the way he treats other users. He seems to have a lack of Wikilove, and that should be addressed. Perhaps he does notunderstand the full impact of community consensus, especially when it applies to controversial subjects. Admins should not be above the law, they should be the epitome of it.

~ Porphyric Hemophiliac § 15:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

IP 12.10.34.242

That IP is held by a large law firm. It seems someone at the firm has recently discovered how to edit Wikipedia articles. Most of their edits are really vandalism ast listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=12.10.34.242 I sent an email to the law firm and someone else warned them on their talk page. 01:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Integrity of the ANI archives

For various reasons I have the last few ANI archives on my watchlist. Several times people have inserted material into the discussions, which I have reverted. It seems to me the archives should be a record of what was said, not what one wishes was said. Samsara has added material to Archive126 relating to the KarlIV saga; I reverted. He told me that he considers it slander and will continue to alter the archive. I think he has a fair complaint in that things were said about him that he didn't have a chance to respond to; I also think archives should be archives. However, I'm not looking for a fight. I bring this to the attention of the group for consideration. Thanks. Thatcher131 (talk) 01:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure that our current archiving rate is appropriate for issues like this. The thread was huge, no one wants to read though it again, but the issue is current. It is unfortunate that it got archived, but changing it and then putting a note up about the changes doesn't bother me in the least. The changes are transparent that way. Reverting someones comments is never a good idea. pschemp | talk 01:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, if a thread is accidentally archived instead of modifying the archive either the thread should be moved over from the archive or a new thread should be created with a link at the top to the proper section of the archive where the original thread was, the latter is simpler but the former would assure that the archived posts are read by people who come late into the conversation. There should be no need for anyone to directly edit an archived post other than to possibly move it out or fix something that causes a display issue or something like that. If people are editing archives I'd suggest leaving a note on their talk page and reverting the change (note I said revert not rollback since rollback would be improper for this situation) If it can be reasonably assumed that they saw the note and are still editing the archives then block them since they'd then be ruining the integrity of even having an archive. Thygard - Talk - Contribs - Email ---- 01:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Little note, Thygard is a banned sock of Jtkiefer. pschemp | talk 20:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm in favor of leaving the archives unmodified. If an old discussion needs to be revived, paste it from the archive into ANI or into a new ANI sub-page. I think a sub-page is appropriate in this case given the length of the dicussion. Phr (talk) 01:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

it was pasted, and SlimVirgin removed it. pschemp | talk 01:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If it was the full discussion, good for Slim, two thumbs up. If it was a archive link, then it should be reverted. I can't find the diff. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[1]. Was posted above. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 08:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Tell me why archives aren't protected? --mboverload@ 04:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be a recent problem. When i started noticing recent archives being changed I looked at older ones to see if there was a common response, and editing the archives just wasn't common in the past (or I missed it). Thatcher131 (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The fact that multiple people must edit the page to keep ANI from turning into one of those giant cell thingies from the stupid Jap/Chinese movies. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure I understand that last comment. Anyways, I'm surprised the archives aren't protected. I'll start watchlisting some of them just to make sure this stuff doens't happen. But an archive should be just that--a record of an old discussion. It shouldn't be modified. If a discussion needs to be continued, a new thread should be posted with a link to the archives. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If you a) protect archives, and b) don't allow corrections to be made, how are you going to defend against archives containing incorrect information that people will dig up again to put everyone back at square one? - Samsara (talk • contribs) 08:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Put comments on the archive talk page. That's what we do all the time with closed afd's. Phr (talk) 09:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Protecting the archives here makes no sense. That's not what protection policy is for. We don't protect archived RFAs (either type) and plenty of other important archives, nor should we unless vandalism is apparent. Community consensus is that protection has never applied to archives (except for extremem vandalism and then not forever). Not to mention the fact that it would most likely be admins editing WP:ANI, thus protection would do nothing to stop them. If you'll take a look at Wikipedia:List of indefinitely protected pages you can see that not one archive is on there. It has been made very clear that page protection policy applies in a narrow set of circumstances. This is not one of them. Teh protection is evil. Use the page history. pschemp | talk 12:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Protected or not, people should know better than to edit them. Phr (talk) 16:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually archives get edited all the time when templates need to be fixed and that kind of thing. They aren't sacred cows who need their virginity protected. Not editing archives isn't a policy anywhere. Only a guideline :) pschemp | talk 16:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Curpsbot replacement?

Looks like our favorite pagemove vandal is back with a vengeance; any chance of getting something useful running to stop these guys earlier? Kirill Lokshin 01:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

We need a pagemove velocity limit in the MediaWiki code. I'll ask the devs if they have any objection to this. Phr (talk) 01:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wait a minute, bots don't monitor pagemoves? This section on the WP:WOW talk page says that a bot monitors pagemoves, limiting the destruction that Willy could wreck. Hbdragon88 05:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. That's CURPSBOT. Which is missing in action.

Note there are two open MediaWiki RFE's [2] [3] about fixing this the right way (i.e. on the server side). Using a bot for it is a crock. Phr (talk) 14:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Anon user at 24.14.151.87

The user at this IP address (Comcast in the Chicago area) has admitted to being a student at Neuqua Valley High School and has vandalized that page several times. He or she has had those edits reverted by me, among others (as the page is on my watchlist), but this user has, for whatever, reason, decided to single me out and vandalized my user page and user talk page on multiple occasions. This led, yesterday, to protection of that IP address's user talk page and a 24 hour block on that IP address. I have attempted to be civil, and have been rebuffed at every turn. As soon as the ban expired, the user's single edit since was to go BACK to my user talk page and make snide remarks, which I have since removed. What I am asking for, if possible, is monitoring of further edits from this IP address, as I can't keep a constant eye on my own user page and the other pages on my watch list (not if I'm going to keep my day job anyway :). Please let me know if this is possible, as I do feel it's warranted - the behavior pattern has been established and I feel it may continue in the near future. --JohnDBuell 04:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC) User_talk:JohnDBuell

Addendum: This user attempted to restore his or her comments just a few minutes ago. Such acts have been the user's ONLY edits the last two days. If this continues I will be considering it as harassment and I will be asking for appropriate steps to be taken. --JohnDBuell 17:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Addendum 2: This anon user has made three and only three edits since the 24 hour block was listed. Each edit was simply to harass me on my talk page. I do now officially consider this harassment, and wikistalking, and I INSIST that action be taken. --JohnDBuell 06:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Addendum 3: This same user (whom I've been calling the "NVHS Vandal" since the Neuqua Valley High School page was his or her favorite vandalism target until recently) has made another vandal edit on that school's page, which has since been reverted. As WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF (among others), have been violated, I'd like to request a longer block on this IP address. --JohnDBuell 17:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Bot spamming an article need outside links blacklisted

His Dark Materials is being spamed by a bot. We need these external advertising links blacklisted to help prevent this. Here are some examples that I can find [4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19] SirGrant 04:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh I just want to note that they are using either zombie PC's or IP spoofing or something like that because each vandalism edit comes from a different IP so blocking in this case isn't working we really need the URL's blacklisted so they can't be advertised SirGrant 04:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Good news is I have blocked 14 open proxy ips by going through the history there. Bad news is I only got back to 19:32 on 29 Jul 2006 [20] before I gave up. I provided the diff where I stopped (that anon was the last block I did), so if someone else wants to wander back through the history and check the ips for proxy thats cool. Otherwise when I'm done with some work work I'll check back later. If you do go further back, leave a note here. Syrthiss 12:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Reported at m:Talk:Spam blacklist Just zis Guy you know? 14:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Added to spam blacklist. Naconkantari 17:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Just updating any new spam that gets put on there:[21] [22]SirGrant 07:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Seicer

He's called me a vandal and accused me of copyright violations. --SPUI (T - C) 06:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

And again. --SPUI (T - C) 06:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps if you stopped vandalising and apologised for violating his copyright he might stop making the accusations. Just a thought... (OK, it's tendentious editing more than simple vandalism but not much to choose between them) Just zis Guy you know? 14:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't be a dick - I'm not vandalizing and I haven't violated his copyright. --SPUI (T - C) 08:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

IMO, while SPUI is quite capable of being a dick, his edits are rarely if ever vandalism. As to the copyright infringement charge, while I haven't investigated in detail, Seicer's seeming belief that facts are copyrightable tends to strip the accusation of credibility. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 10:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing to investigate because he hasn't given details. Because of some off-site infringement that I did several years ago, he thinks the copying from his site onto here was my doing. --SPUI (T - C) 11:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR warning tag removal

User:Palffy removed several times a {{3RR}} tag from his talkpage:

1. [23]
2. [24]
3. [25]
4. [26]
5. [27]

He also treated me several times of banning and 3RR breaking denounces (when actually I did none).--Kwame Nkrumah 15:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a good rule of thumb to not edit war, ever, over what another user does on his/her talkpage. You run a big risk of being seen as petty or frivolous when you do that, and the 3RR might be enforced against you instead. The removal of warnings on one's own page is "discouraged", not outlawed, and the 3RR is usually not enforced against such edits. Anyway, he removes a warning, that means he's seen it. There's no need to keep shoving it in his face. Please leave his page alone. Bishonen | talk 00:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC).

Jtkiefer

Some rather ugly things coming to light at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jtkiefer 3: Jtkiefer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who is also apparently Pegasus1138 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), has had various interesting interactions between his accounts, including responding to his 3RR report, telling himself that he won't block himself for 3RR, supporting himself for a bot flag (but opposing his own RFA), double-voting on RFAs, and other such things. What do we do now? I would suggest an indefinite block of at least one of the accounts—perhaps with a shorter block on the other—and possibly a checkuser to see if he has any other sockpuppets waiting in the wings. Kirill Lokshin 16:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked Pegasus1138 as an admitted sockpuppet engaged in devious activity. I would support a long block -- even an indefinite one -- on Jtkiefer, but will not impose it myself, given his history of hostility to me. Xoloz 16:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Support, way beyond anything acceptable. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 17:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Some other strange goings-on here that may relate to this case. Kirill Lokshin 17:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for top-posting, but use RFAR. This is a picture perfect RFAR situation and the living example of a thing not to be done by head nods on AN/I. Geogre 19:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

So is User:Thygard another sockpuppet? A checkuser seems strongly in order. JoshuaZ 17:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

What makes you suspect that? Editor88 17:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Never mind... I've got it figured out. 17:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I am in the strange position of having some good memories of Jtkiefer (and incidentally, bad ones of Pegasus). At this time, and based on this evidence, I would not yet be willing support an indefinite block. While there is evidence of abusive sockpuppetry, and the puppets should be blocked, so far I don't see enough evidence of the kind of persistent disruption that normally motivates an indefinite block. Dragons flight 17:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked Thygard for the same reason as Pegasus1138. Xoloz 17:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Moved from WP:AN

Due to the gravity of the persistent and repeated abuses of trust reported in the course of Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jtkiefer_3, I propose that we ban him from Wikipedia [28]. --Tony Sidaway 17:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure. His actions convince me that he should never be an admin, and any future RfAs should be speedily closed. He should also be limmited to one account. But aside from that, I think probation rather than a ban is in order. There is no evidence (that I know of) that he's been a particularly disruptive editor. Arbcom might be better than an outright ban. --Doc 17:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Per Doc, I would suggest an RfArb over anything else. — FireFox ^(talk) _{17:21, 11 August '06}

Hi, everyone. I must say that I disagree with a community ban. I know I'm not an admin, but I have just finished looking over the situation out of my own curiosity, and I don't believe that he's actually harmful. I agree that his potential future RfAs should be speedily closed and he should be limited to one account, but I don't think an indefinite ban is necessary - I'd say ArbCom. Sorry if I'm out of place... Srose (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Your comments are certainly not out of place. (Particularly since you are agreeing with me - which shows your inate wisdom ;).) --Doc 17:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Doc is, I think, quite right, and his suggestions seem roughly orthogonal with those of Cyde infra. Jtk should be limited to one account, of course, with the provision that his creating a sockpuppet for the purpose of disrupting projectspace will be strongly disfavored; his mainspace participation seems to be altogether fine, and I don't think there's any risk of disruption relative to work on articles. I'm not certain that a year-long ban from RfA is in order—his only sockpuppeteering at RfA seems to have been relative to his own RfAs, and I can't imagine that he'll be requesting adminship anytime soon—since he may have particular prescience apropos of the judgment of prospective admins, but I don't think such a ban would be particularly wrong. Joe 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

So how about this: Jtkiefer is put on a standard one-year probation with an added provision of being banned from RFA and its subpages (for one year). He is also limited to only one account. --Cyde Weys 17:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Concur, for reasons enumerated above. Joe 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

He should also be banned from WP:FPC for sockpuppet voting there as well. -Ravedave 18:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we should close the admin window on him permanently - changes can happen outside of one's imagination. I do, however, prefer that he be required go through Editor review before his next admin application. Editor88 17:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I say ArbCom and RFC (should have been RFCU). I definitely feel there should be consequences over this, but a community ban seems a bit much. So ArbCom to get official status of some consequences/limits, and RFC to find any other current problem socks. - TexasAndroid 17:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

RFC? Maybe a straight checkuser would be more effective in actually finding out what his other socks are? Kirill Lokshin 17:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. Checkuser is exactly what I meant. I just typed the wrong acronym. Sorry for any confusion. - TexasAndroid 17:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I was going to say. RFC in this case would just become a venue to bash him. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 17:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of ugly in that RFA, but if he can agree to having only one account, there's a possibility he can still be a useful editor (though not an admin or anything with additional trust, apparently). Very sad to see this occur...I think Cyde has an acceptable compromise here. Are you actually intending to forbid him from voting on RFAs, though? -- nae'blis 17:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Given his use of sockpuppets to get muliple votes on at least three previous RFAs (that we know of), there need to be some consequences and provisions to ensure the integrity of the process. --Cyde Weys 17:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Good point, I was just making sure I understood your proposal. I'm not entirely certain how CheckUser works (not having the bit), is it only done on comparison of users, or does it reveal all users at a particular IP? I ask because it would make a difference in my confidence of all socks being caught/gone... -- nae'blis 18:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree with finding his various sockpuppets, it would help over at WP:FPC -Ravedave 18:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Indef ban may be a bit of an overkill, but I would support a RfAr hearing on all these. - Mailer Diablo 17:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• ArbCom is probably a cleaner way of going about this than a straight ban; but the various sockpuppets should be blocked outright. There's no need to risk having some of them slip under the radar at this point. Kirill Lokshin 17:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Just bringing it to everyone's attention: [29]. — FireFox ^(talk) _{17:36, 11 August '06}

• I think indef block is too harsh, but placing Jtkiefer on probation for a year would be suitable. The socks should be indef blocked of course. Doubt an ArbComm case would be productive, there's really not much to arbitrate. -- Миборовский 17:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• I think that Jtkiefer could be a good article editor again but should not be given any positions of trust, or allowed to comment or vote on them, until maturity has been demonstrated. I'd rather see him restricted to his current account with some curbs in place (no standing or running for admin, arb, or 'crat, and no commenting on other candidacies, not commenting/voting on anything else either) instead of his setting up another identity which then has to be managed/monitored somehow (and without fishing around it might be hard to do that anyway...) ++Lar: t/c 19:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• One oppose vote by a new editor was odd to me in Jtkiefer's RfA. Namely by Republitarian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The user registered 2 days ago and started editing with edit summaries etc. Just strikes odd, with that previous self-oppose incident also. feydey 19:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Not one of mine, sorry to burst the bubble of anyone who expects to find more socks, Pegasus and Thygard were my only two. Jtkiefer 19:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother

Don't bother, I am perfectly capable of knowing where and when I am not wanted and I am obviously not wanted here, please also indef. block Jtkiefer if it'll make you feel better but I'll save you all the trouble and go through a self imposed wiki-ban, for the record all I ever wanted to do was help the project, everything I did was an attempt to help though I honestly don't expect you all to believe that, well so long and thanks for all the fish. Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

To the contrary, you are wanted so long as you make good contributions, and not the types of shenanigans that have upset so many. - Taxman ^Talk 17:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, while recent revelations have been distressing, the person most hurt by Jtkiefer's behaviour is almost certainly Jtkierer, himself. And the fact of opposing his sockpuppet's RfA suggests that this is not a straightforward case of duplicity for the motive of gain, but that the user may have been going through problems that we know nothing about. AnnH ♫ 00:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

(sigh) It's not that you are not wanted, just that certain behavior is not wanted. All discussion here seems to be related to project-space problems; can you handle being "just" an article editor for a while, to re-establish trust? -- nae'blis 18:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Jt, I don't believe you would dispute that your actions have been less than appropriate. People are responding to them differently, and at this point the community has not come to any kind of decision -- and I don't suppose that it would be reasonable for you to expect that all of this be forgotten at the drop of a hat: if you want this to be let go eventually, the first step is to own it, that is, accept responsibility for the mistakes made.
I don't have a crystal ball, of course, but if I had to guess, I'd say you are not likely to be banned, but you are equally unlikely to become an administrator, or to hold any kind of special position in this community. If you can settle for being an editor (and doing it from a single account), who knows, in the future (granted, it would take a lot more time than "usual"), you might even arrive at a point where the community will we willing to trust you with Admin tools again. But if you up and leave now, nothing gets resolved, and the last memory of your participation in the project would be this debacle. Would you say that's fair? Be patient; accept responsibility. And don't get angry because people are having a hard time digesting what has happened, since that's not fair either. Redux 18:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

<de-indent> I thought I did, anyway yes I do take responsibility for what I was doing was wholly innapropriate and wrong and I apologize for violating everyone's trust, in my defense of Pegasus1138 though that sock was actually known and permitted by both Jimmy Wales and the arbitration committee in respone to the RFA/RFB incident that happened between the two accounts. Jtkiefer 18:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

No, Jt is correct to some extent. He/She certainly IS unwanted by some of us. The unbelievable and offensive arrogance he/she showed at WP:FPC speaks volumes. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention to arrogance of self-nominating a sock puppet for RfA four times. -Will Beback 20:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Good article editors are welcome always, but this user should never be an admin. Thatcher131 (talk) 21:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The regularity with which this user has attempted to gain "authority" over others here (and the underhanded tactics utilized) indicates (IMO) that he/she should be banned permanently from the Wikipedia. There is no place in our community for someone with the mindset that this user displays. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Solution

As I've said I am going on a self imposed Wikiban from this account and the other 2 have already been blocked and I fully agree to a community enforced one account probation, however due to the strong feelings in this case I am loathe to do it on this account and once this discussion has died down I will be scrambling my passwords on this and the other two accounts to long letter/number combinations to prevent abuse by myself or others. Considering that if my one account would not have a fair shot of being a good editor I would not publicly reveal what the nick is (when I have created it) however if a few trusted Wikipedian's would come forth and swear secrecy I think that having them as oversight would be a good idea, that way the needs of the community knowing what I'm doing and the needs of me being able to make a fresh start under one account would be met. Jtkiefer 17:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I would agree to this, on the one additional proviso that, if you ever want to seek RFA on the new account, you must publically reveal the link in the process. This may result in it being impossible for you to ever get adminship back, but I'm afraid that that would have to be part of the consequences for you actions. For you to ever seek adminship again, it must be done in the public light. I have no problem with you returning to edit quietly, but I have a big problem with the possibility of you using that secrecy to try to get adminship once again. As for who could be trusted to know your new account, User:Kelly Martin, for one, appears to have been trusted by you for quite a while, and could possibly be one of the people, IMHO. - TexasAndroid 18:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Considering that Pegasus dissappeared with a very similar claim, I still think an RFCU would be in order. JoshuaZ 18:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Already filed. - TexasAndroid 18:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I've taken this to Requests for arbitration [30]. --Tony Sidaway 18:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

And the request for checkuser was shot down as a fishing expedition, I have already created my single use account btw, and as per the community imposed terms (and I don't think anyone will disagree if I say that this is the probation version of a community ban decision} of the single account probation I have created my secondary account, and as of now am limiting this account to this AN/I thread, my user, talk, and subpages, and the pending RFAr against me. Jtkiefer 18:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I would not call it "Shot Down". Mackensen said there were no "extant accounts" other than the 3 we already know of. (And he deliberately did not reveal the new account, if it had been created before the check) I read this as check performed, nothing found beyond the known ones, and possibly the new one. As such I consider the RFCU issue to be closed. - TexasAndroid 18:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a very accurate analysis of it actually, so hopefully that can be put to rest. Jtkiefer 18:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Just a status update, I have scrambled the passwords for both Pegasus and Thygard so I no longer have access to either account, nor is there an email address set for either account. Jtkiefer 18:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Both accounts are blocked indefinitely, so that's a moot point actually. - Mailer Diablo 18:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, but I think it's an attempt at showing good faith on my part in me accepting using only one account if nothing else. Jtkiefer 19:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be quite irresponsible for us to Assume Good Faith on your part after your behavior. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I support arbitration to examine the entire history and all areas of potential abuse by the editor. For the record, I was seconds from blocking him for his utterly unacceptable attack of JDG ^[31], only to find out this was his (not his 1st) "I'm leaving" note. El_C 21:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:FPC

For the record, Jtkiefer has been involved in some potential irregularities on the WP:FPC. See here for details. His/Her consistent attempts to act as if he/she has "authority" over others or some special status seem in the same vein as his/her attempts to achieve adminship. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Userpage deletion

I have requested several times that User:Thygard be deleted using {{db-owner}} perfectly in line with policy it has been confirmed that I am the owner and it is not a talk page. The sock notice which should be preserved is also present on the the talk page so that's not an issue eithyer. My requests while inline with policy have been deemed "vandalism" and my userpage ad been protected against even me editing it. Could an admin please fulfill my request? thanks. Jtkiefer 20:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC) CanadianCaesar has brought up the good point that there may be an administrative need to keep the page, I disagree since my userpage is just links and notes created as a listing of my interests and some of my comings and goings and unlike my talk page has no real administrative substance but more comment is probably needed in that regard. Jtkiefer 21:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It is useful in that it serves as a link to the contributions of that "user". --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Per policy and common practice, the userpage may be blanked, deleted and protected; the talk page may be blanked as a courtesy but will not be deleted, to retain the history of comments, warnings, etc. Even at a blanked/deleted user page, the contribs link will still work. Thatcher131 (talk) 21:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, you learn something new every day. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Abuse of AfD?

I see that Allegations of Israeli apartheid has been nominated for deletion yet again (for the third time, I believe). Not surprisingly, it's producing a perfect storm of POV warriors on both sides, blatantly voting for their own partisan POVs on the article, totally ignoring the notability criteria in favour of their own opinions on the subject matter.

I'm concerned by the rationale for the deletion nomination, which User:Haham hanuka states as: "Stinks of POV, useless, non encyclopedic, propagadna..." This looks like a textbook example of an abuse of the deletion process as defined by Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Abuse of deletion process: "XfD(deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or NPOV debate is generally an abuse of process and the article will usually be speedy kept."

I note that Haham hanuka has just recently been blocked for a week for another abuse of process on AfD and has a long history of blocks for 3RR violations and egregrious revert warring (see [32]). This seems to be another such abuse of process from a problem user; I suggest that the AfD be speedy kept per WP:DEL, as the nomination plainly violates policy. (I'm not doing it myself because I've edited the article in the past - I don't want to be accused of a conflict of interest.) -- ChrisO 17:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, this is currently a RfAr case. You may wish to refer to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Israeli_apartheid for more info. - Mailer Diablo 17:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The RfAr relates to user conduct concerning this article, not about whether the article itself should be kept or deleted. The existence of the RfAr has no bearing on this particular RfD. -- ChrisO 18:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Abuse of AfD -> Abusive Conduct. RfAr has been previously used to ban editors from XfD process altogether to prevent further abuse. - Mailer Diablo 17:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Haham_hanuka isn't a party to the RfAr and as far as I know hasn't been involved in one - someone correct me if I'm wrong? -- ChrisO 18:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Mmmm...Don't think so, but I recall there are cases where new users are tied to and sanctioned halfway through the proceedings. (see : Userboxes case). I was suggesting that perhaps you may have a better response if you were to raise this concern in the Evidence section or talk page of the RfAr, given that this is a view over the conduct of users involved in the article in question? - Mailer Diablo 18:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you're saying now. However, I'm reluctant to add anything more to what is already a shambling horror of an arbitration case (just ask Fred Bauder!). It's very unlikely to reach a conclusion any time soon, assuming that the ArbCom doesn't just ditch the whole thing as unmanageable - frankly, if I was in their shoes I'd do that. The AfD in question will have closed one way or another long before the RfAr. That's why I've brought it up here rather than there. -- ChrisO 18:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Personally I'm not that inclined to hand out punitive blocks, so perhaps you may just want to leave some form of warning about possible sanctions in continued AfD abuse on his talkpage. If you're thinking of the extreme case of renominating over and over, there's one well-known precedent. Eventually they just had enough and go speedy keep. :o) - Mailer Diablo 18:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the AfD needs to be thrown out. There is clear evidence of people soliciting votes. Whether an article is to be in Wikipedia or not is not determined by a organized campaign to delete (or keep) it. Fred Bauder 19:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I hope I am permitted to add something here even though I am not an admin. I think a few facts need to be added into the mix here. There was an AfD at the very beginning of this article, started by someone who is not only voting "keep" this time but is also the source of the vote solicitation evidenced on the AfD page (as disclosed by someone who also voted "keep", both times.) As I recall, there was a clear majority in favor of deletion, but "no consensus" and it was closed on that basis. More recently, someone unrelated to any of the prior "activity" (to choose a neutral word) proposed deletion and the AfD was closed as a "speedy keep" less than 40 minutes after it was opened. Only a few people voted in that AfD, and neither I nor (I suspect) most of the other people interested in the article were even aware of it until after it was over. Therefore, I suggest that the "second" AfD not even "count." That brings us to the current, truly "second" nomination, proposed more than two months (and many hundreds of edits) after the first one closed. This AfD was started by a user, Haham hanuka, who has not been involved in any of the prior "activity." In fact, I just looked at his (the gender is an assumption on my part) contribution history and it confirms that he has never edited the article in question (except for the Aug. 2 placement of a deletion-related tag that apparently did not result in a true AfD, followed by the placement of a tag related to this AfD) and that he also has never contributed to the article's talk page. He is not involved in the arbitration and, although I did not check, most likely never participated in any of the "centralized discussions." It appears that he simply happened upon the article, maybe he read the talk pages and maybe he didn't, and decided to nominate the article for deletion. I assume that this is permitted. I do not see where Haham hanuka has "abused" anything relating to this AfD, he simply put up a nomination and as of last count, well over 60 people have voted. After some initial hesitation (because my thought has been that there should be some "process" following the close of the pending arbitration to determine whether there will be a separate article on this subject and, if so, what its name should be), I decided that since the question has been asked, I will vote, and I did ("delete or merge.") This is also not a case of someone "losing" an AfD and then posting it again "over and over" as in a previous case referred to above. The person who started the first AfD is now against it and is soliciting votes against it, the nominator this time was not involved previously, and I suspect that some of the other "delete" voters (including some of those involved in the arbitration) share my concerns about the timing. Nevertheless, I do not see this as anything other than a legitimate AfD. Whether some of the voting practices are questionable, I will leave to more experienced persons. Excuse the length of this comment, I felt it was all relevant. 6SJ7 20:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The abuse is in the initial nomination by Haham hanuka: "Stinks of POV, useless, non encyclopedic, propagadna..." As I said above, Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Abuse of deletion process states: "XfD(deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or NPOV debate is generally an abuse of process and the article will usually be speedy kept." Haham hanuka's nomination is based essentially on the grounds that he doesn't like it ("useless"), that it's against his beliefs ("propaganda"), and that it's not presented neutrally ("Stinks of POV"). None of those are grounds for deletion. -- ChrisO 20:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

But if you look at many of the "delete" or "delete or merge" or "merge" votes that have been cast, various people have stated their own grounds, rather than "delete per nom." In fact I believe there are not many of the latter. I referred to all of my past comments on the matter, which I believe support my vote. The point is, can't people decide on their own on what grounds they wish to vote? It doesn't seem fair to invalidate an AfD because you don't happen to like how the nominator chose to phrase his nomination. Your proposed action would wipe out the votes of 60+ people who presumably exercised their own free will in deciding how to vote... not that it is really going to matter, given the spamming that was apparently done in favor of a "keep" vote. Personally I think the spam-ees can exercise their free will how they wish also, but evidently it is against the rules anyway. Why don't you seem to be concerned about that, rather than focusing on a poorly worded nomination? 6SJ7 21:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I am concerned about it - don't think I'm not. It's just that it seems a bit futile to raise a fuss about the course of this AfD when the basis of the AfD is so fundamentally flawed. -- ChrisO 21:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Closed early as no consensus; see my rational on the project page. El_C 21:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think there has been abuse of process here, but not by the person who nominated the article for deletion. 6SJ7 21:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

And now, of course, if anyone nominates this article for deletion in the future, this time is going to be cited as the "third" time, making the next time the "fourth" time. Due to what has happened here, this one shouldn't count, and the "second" one doesn't count either for the reasons I have stated above, so this article has really only been validly considered for deletion once. 6SJ7 21:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The nominator is a problematic editor, blocked many times for disruptive conduct and policy violation; also permanently banned from the Hebrew wiki. He did not bother to correctly format the AfD, nor take better care to formulate the rational — all this while an RfAr is ongoing. El_C 21:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• The creator of the article is also a "problem editor" - is that a reason to delete ? Zeq 09:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse early close, IMO it will still be no consensus after the 120 hours grace, so there's no point in prolonging it further. - Mailer Diablo 06:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Barbara Schwarz

I have stubbified and protected Barbara Schwarz. This article is quite seductive, as it is interesting, but throughout the article there is liberal use on unreliable sources as well as a tone of hysteria. I hope administrators will find time to create an article which conforms to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Fred Bauder 18:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm planning to have a crack at this, since I know something of the matter. I'd appreciate neutral input on whatever I manage to come up with (and thanks for stepping in on this one, Fred). -- ChrisO 19:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Fred what you've done (deleting all record of prior edits leaving a two line stub; plus the talk page is also deleted and 7 pages of archives) is outrageous. Some editors (myself included) spent a lot of time to create that article, and whilst I agree looking at the cache on google that the article obviously morphed into an unacceptable form, that was no reason to remove all the information that was sourced correctly. Are you denying the Salt Lake Tribune is a reliable source? The Associated Press? You've absolutely destroyed all the hard work of many editors.

If you were going to take the liberty of doing what you've done you should at least have left the reliable information in. You've even removed all the categories! (she doesn't even merit the living person's category anymore?)

I actually sat down to rewrite this article but in hindsight I don't see why I should ahve to do it all AGAIN. Maybe you could explain that to me? - Glen 20:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The article still contains a link to the Tribune article (to the copyright version owned by the newspaper). I have not been able to find a link to the AP story. Thank you for putting the category, living persons, back in. Fred Bauder 22:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Not really standard speedy deletion requests

I've nominated several lists and a template for speedy deletion. I don't think they meet the standard rules for speedy deletions. They all include redlinked or unlinked names. The lists or templates they are on would be defamatory if they are not accurate. Since the names don't have articles the potentially defamatory information is unsourced. Under the current policy regarding biographies of living persons such information would deleted without hesitation if in ordinary articles. So I think the lists and template should be speedy deleted. Please comment if this isn't OK. The editor formerly known as Harmonica Wolfowitz 21:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I have trouble seeing how almost anything you nommed could be plausibly speediable, nor do I follow your claims that they are defamatory. JoshuaZ 21:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Speedy deletion, in my narrow mind, seems to be for uncontroversal deletions for things that can be easily agreed that it's "junk," based on reading WP:CSD for the Xth time. I've gone through some of your taggings and it's not speedy like, I recommend using a WP:PROD or taking it to WP:AfD. Yanksox 21:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

This seems to be almost a WP:POINT set of speedies, although I can't make out what the point is. For example, he argues that List of gay porn stars. He argues that the list is "inconsistent with WP policy concerning biographies of living persons. None of the unlinked names are sourced. Calling someone a porn star is at least potentially defamatory" Saying that there is someone with that name who is a porn star - very hard to see how that is potentially defamatory since if they are red linked they don't give any other details. I furthermore don't see saying someone is a porn star as inherently defamatory, nor do I think many editors would. JoshuaZ 21:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

A more serious problem after looking through is that some of the non-red linked ones go to the wrong people. JoshuaZ 21:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It isn't hard for me to imagine that, for instance, a politician might feel defamed by having an article about them on that list. Jkelly

I've removed all the redlinks/disambiguation pages from Template:Irish Clerical Child Sex Abusers and moved them to the talk page for verification. -- nae'blis 22:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

One definition of defamation listed in the WP article is "any published statements which defame a named or identifiable individual or individuals in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them." There are many reasonable people who would think less of someone who was a porn star or sex trade worker. US law is statebystate. Porn stars have sex for money and many people think of them as prostitutes. These are "negative" statements to many many people to use Jimbo's word and should be sourced if they're to be in WP. But the lists with so many nolinked and redlinked names are obviously unsourced. What happens if the names match up to real actors or models? Even if that's not what the person who wrote the list meant. Some of the names are obvious fakes that no one outside porn would use but there are lots of "real" names. No good reason to keep these lists and template around but lots of problems. The editor formerly known as Harmonica Wolfowitz 22:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I have trouble seeing redlinks as a problem, since the redlinks don't even claim they are the same people. Should someone possibly ask the foundation's counsel? This really doesn't seem like an issue. JoshuaZ 22:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If the article exists then the source for the claim can be presumed to be at the article. If it is a red link and there is no source with the red link then there is no source and due to lack of verifyability it should be deleted. WAS 4.250 02:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR?

User:Samstayton is repeatedly inserting extreme POV unreferenced and also partially absurd statements into the Lexus LS article, which is a GA and is maintained mainly by User:Gerdbrendel. This may actually qualify as 3RR, as most of the content is being reinserted by means of reverting previous edits by other users. Three such occurences took place in the last 4 hours (see page history) - on the last occassion, some new statements were added to another section. In the meantime, the user has also placed a very disturbing comment on User:Gerdbrendel's talk page ([33]). I am not really familiar with WP procedures regarding such occurences, as for the first time I have met with such stubbornness. What is the proper thing to do now? Bravada, talk - 00:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I have a lot of concern about any editor "maintaining" an article. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I used to too. But until we get something better, people caring enough about an article to protect it from misinformation is our current best quality control measure. WAS 4.250 04:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, but IMHO Gerd is far from claiming "ownership" of the article, he is just the editor that does most of the work expanding and improving the article (mostly because the rest of us in the WikiProject Automobiles are too lazy), as well as usually the first to remove strange and inappropriate statements from it. I put the info on that here to explain the relation between the issue and comments on Gerd's talk page.

ANYWAY, could somebody please look into that issue? Bravada, talk - 11:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sickest vandalism yet

I just reverted the sickest vandalism yet to JzG's talk page. I don't even want to describe the content here but it may require an ISP report and/or contacting the appropriate authorities. This situation should receive attention at the most senior possible level, and as many folks as possible should watchlist that page. Newyorkbrad 02:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Noticed this too - would semi-protection to the page page make sense for the time being? The IPs are AOL... /wangi 02:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The IP I just blocked wasn't AOL. It was a New Jersey Comcast one. Jkelly 02:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Oddly, that IP signed here as User:152.163.100.74, which is marked as an AOL IP. Jkelly 02:53, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'd just looked the user talk page the first time round (User:152.163.100.197) and noticed it was AOL - didn't notice the subsequent edit(s) weren't. Thanks/wangi 03:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I sprotected the relevant pages -- Samir धर्म 03:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe that this is indef-blocked user ParalelUni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) evading his block. --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 03:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Based on this block log, I'm wondering if our sick vandal isn't Jason Gastrich:

• 20:12, August 11, 2006, JzG (Talk) blocked #226277 (expires 20:12, August 12, 2006) (Unblock) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "AlwaysSummer". The reason given for AlwaysSummer's block is: "Vandalism, whitewashing of degree mill".)

...

• 20:03, August 11, 2006, Jkelly (Talk) blocked 64.34.168.29 (contribs) (expires 03:03, August 13, 2006, account creation blocked) (Unblock) (IP address being used for harassment of other users)

User:Zoe|(talk) 03:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't think so. I agree that it's probably ParalelUni, despite the Gastrich-like hyperbole -- Samir धर्म 03:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Gastrich was after a US reglious-based diploma mill, right? This is about a UK medical school diploma mill; it's at RFAR right now. Thatcher131 (talk) 05:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. This is astroturfing not Gastroturfing. An acute case of WP:OWN and m:MPOV, I think. He's now threatening to set up an attack site - if he does I guess I will have to complain to the ISP he uses to do it. Let's rangeblock AOL :o) Just zis Guy you know? 10:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

A suicide? I must be out of the wiki-loop, then. If it did happen, sorry to hear it, man. Will ^{(Take me down to the Paradise City)} 10:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't. My sister died in May of liver disease, see User:JzG/Laura. Just zis Guy you know? 15:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Folks, Check the history there if things seem funny, when I was at that page it had been vandalised as well, I think I corrected it but maybe not? JzG, you know you have the commmunity's sympathy and support. ++Lar: t/c 23:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I reverted some of that crap. Anonymous vandal is quite sick, and I doubt this is a random vandal. Kevin_b_er 19:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm still sorry to hear about your sister dying though. Will ^{(Take me down to the Paradise City)} 22:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible communism vandal sock

69.67.229.130 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) added {{communism}} to Help:Contents/Policies_and_guidelines. Viridae^Talk 04:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

69.67.230.2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) same thing, this time to User talk:KnowledgeOfSelf. Viridae^Talk 04:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

66.218.22.55 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) this time added {{socialism}} to 69.67.229.130's talk page. Viridae^Talk 04:53, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

66.218.22.221 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) I just became Stalin for a while! (vandalised my talk page). Viridae^Talk 04:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

All reported to WP:AIV as they are probobly the same person. Viridae^Talk 05:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I blocked them all indefinitely after someone else blocked for only 24 hours. Cowman109^Talk 05:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! Viridae^Talk 05:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Those are dynamic ips used by multiple users. You can't just block them indefinitely.

I recommend to keep alert for a while. I had already blocked 66.218.22.241 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 66.218.28.37 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) minutes before, and it doesn't seem to stop. Not sure if it's correct to indef block here, tho, in order to prevent collateral damage, my dear Cowman... watch out for more socks! :) Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 06:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The contributions of those editors do appear to be from only one person, though if the blocks are restricted to the IPs and not to users connected with it collateral damage could be prevented, yes? Also, perhaps we could leave a note on WP:ABUSE concerning the user? If you think I should reduce the time period of the blocks, I will, though :D Cowman109^Talk 06:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I had indef blocked some of them following the same line of thought, dear C; but then reconsidered, just in case. And leave that note, and watch out - he's still busy, I just reverted your own talk page! Hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 06:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, alright. I'll reduce the blocks (and double check to make sure block only IP addresses is checked). Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 06:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

A hotel IP

Recently, an edit at User talk:12.47.161.120 brought up that the IP belongs to a hotel, wherever it may be. I believe that this could be a possible issue, and that is why I am bringing it up here. Ryūlóng 05:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

If we were to have to deal with a hotel-owned IP, I would suggest that a 24 hr block be the maximum we apply, as the IP may be assigned to the room (unlikely) or roll among the various IP's. Geogre 12:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• Should just be treated like a public library computer. No major difference really. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Generally, yes, but probably more stable. I.e. we can probably go for longer blocks than with libraries, but still not exceeding 24 hr. Geogre 13:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Many hotels have business centers and/or other public computers in or near the front lobby. That's the most likely explanation of what's happening. Editor88 14:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Lots of hotels now have wireless throughout; in some of them (like the one my wife owns) it's free. Long blocks will cause unnecessary collateral damage. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh, that particular IP could be the wondrous Hotel del Coronado, or a couple other lovely San Diego area resorts. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Socks to evade ban Zinedine231

The following accounts are all making the same vandal edits to the same articles. I have put in a checkuser request to verify and listed them on the sock page. I have put notices on all the accounts. In the meantime, I think the evidence is so clear that an immediate ban can be made. All of these accoutns have made repeated vandal posts to a handful of articles. All their edits have been reverted. All have warnings on their talk page.

• Robert Spencer1123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Sfdpoij (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Shepherd Smasdfith202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Shepherd Smith202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Zinedine231 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Please block them (and their IP) until checkuser can confirm (it's so straightforward I don;t think checkuser is even necessary but I put it in anyway).--Tbeatty 06:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• It looks like User:Cactus Man has got to these. Thanks. --Tbeatty 06:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• All now blocked and I've watchlisted the affected articles to keep an eye out for future incarnations. --Cactus.man ✍ 07:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Gabriel_Pradiipaka Block review

I have blocked Gabriel_Pradiipaka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for 1 month, for his link-spamming, threatening other users, putting "Divine curses", and also incivility and rant against wikipedia. I am putting the block for review by other admins. Feel free to change the block if you feel necessary. Thanks. --Ragib 08:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"Divine curses" does sound intriguing - were the admins able to remove these, or does it require a bureaucrat... :) - David Oberst 08:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not an admin but I take the liberty to respond. He was incivil, he made divine curses, but the external links that he inserted were appropriate if we leave out the fact that he was the owner of the website. A rant against Wikipedia is, I think, not a valid reason for a block. Andries 08:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

At the request of the user, I made the block indef, but as usual, feel free to pre-empt the block if you feel necessary. Thanks. --Ragib 08:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

the "divine curses" are of course unacceptable and sufficient reason for a block. As Andries, I am unsure about the "link-spamming" charge, since the site linked is actually quite good, and the user added the link to pertinent articles: I doubt the links would have been removed if he had not self-identified as the site's owner. It appears the user was treated somewhat unfairly preceding his outburst. dab (ᛏ) 09:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Divine curses? We should have WP:WHACKJOB =D --mboverload@ 09:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

he said

if I attacked with lies and gratuitous violence such as erasing that link to my translation, which is a service to the Lord, you'll know how powerful the Lord is. You'll know what you will do. Be wise, act wisely. To erase is easy, to tolerate the consequences of one's own bad acts is always difficult. Hopefull you understood. [34]

pretty stern stuff, be prepared for inexplicable server malfunction in the near future :) dab (ᛏ) 09:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's not even relgious fundimentalist, that's just crazy =D--mboverload@ 09:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the Angry Clueless Newbie rants, I can understand the impulse to block. But he has only been here for two days, is apparently using his real name, and is asking to "have his **** account out of this ***** encyclopedia." That's a vulnerable constellation, that we need to be considerate of. The account can't actually be "removed", right? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think his request should be taken to mean he wants the userpages deleted. I've done that, and hope they won't remain in Google's cache for very long. I've changed the indef block to a three-day cooling-down period, so he'll have a clean slate and no CheckUser issues if he should change his mind about contributing in the future (and in that case, I trust, register a different username). Is this OK? Bishonen | talk 11:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC).

Looks like he's been around Runs a website at http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/ --mboverload@ 11:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Note I struck out my previous comments. At first I thought this user was just incoherently ranting trying to insult another member via the standard fair, but it looks like he believes what he wrote, so I can respect that. Still doesn't excuse what he wrote. --mboverload@ 11:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Divine curses aside, he did issue this clearly worded threat

All in all, you touch my link just to bother me or whatsoever (because you don't have any valid points to do so now) and I'll t-o-u-c-h you. So, be fair and behave in an impartial manner, or the fruit of your bad actions will return to you... warranted. [35] (emphasis mine)

I don't know if that was also part of his "divine curse", or a threat in worldly ways, but, for the record, that prompted my initial ban on him. I do agree his concerns about couright issues may be worth looking into, whether some articles are abusing the copyright terms of his site. --Ragib 15:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Need Help With Potential Vandal on Neurofunk Article

I was called in as a (1st time) advocate for the article Neurofunk, but am unable to resolve a dispute between a user with two ips -- 84.44.253.181 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)/84.44.143.88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) -- and the rest of the editing community. A revert war has been ongoing now for just over two weeks. Any advice on where I could request help with this, or on how to resolve this? Many thanks, WormwoodJagger 12:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Privacy Violation

Could somebody please delete User:Leperchaun and restore it so that my name doesn't appear in the page history? I desperately want to remain anonymous on the internet. Revealing my name is like hiring a bill board & writing my name on it. Jrcog@^{Insert something here} 12:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Contacting admin now for you --mboverload@ 12:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok it looks like it's done, I didn't even look at the page before running to IRC =D --mboverload@ 12:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. - Mark 12:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I have undone the revision deletion and used oversight to conceal four revisions of the page instead. Please use the oversight-l mailing list to request privacy violation management as posting such requests on the Wiki just draws trolls to the page. Kelly Martin (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Block please

Can I get a block please on V For Vendetta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a sock of EnthusiastFRANCE (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), based on this edit and this edit and edit summary. Thks ---- Thatcher131 12:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

At least a username vio, haven't read the username policy in a long time tho. --mboverload@ 12:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's a username violation, but it's definitely an abusive sock. Blocked. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

We have rules saying you cannot name yourself after people, but not movies. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Leonard Susskind & 70.48.251.229

A look at these pages should make things clear but I reverted edits by the IP twice and placed warnings on his page. I was concerned that he then placed warnings on my page. I guess a case of it it happens again what should I do. If you need more info let me know. Thanks -- Nigel ^(Talk) 13:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Some remove 'bad faith' warnings placed on theirs and other's talk pages, but it can be dangerous because it can be used to justify the removal of good faith warnings. Personally, I would either leave it alone (no-one is going to read a warning placed by an IP address and think you must be a vandal) or leave a reply below it making clear that it's a bad faith warning. No need for a lengthy defence going into what the IP was doing and why you were reverting, just write ':Bad faith warning' or similar. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

My thanks - I wasn't planning to remove the warnings anyway (souvenirs I guess!). The advice is appreciated. -- Nigel ^(Talk) 13:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Shanequinlan01 uploading images with false copyright tags

Shanequinlan01 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has uploaded a large number of images with missing or impossible copyright tags (pd-100 on a photo of an elderly man who was born in 1935, tv-screenshot on images that are clearly not from TV, for example). The user has been warned multiple times on their talk page (up to {{Image4}}[36]), but has continued this behaviour (latest upload being Image:Ministerforjelr.jpg, which is clearly not a TV screenshot). Can an administrator take the necessary action please? Demiurge 13:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• I have blocked for 31h and left a stern warning. Some of his images are downloaded from bbc, so there should be easy to write a fair use rationale, so maybe somebody could do it for him so to show how the things are done. abakharev 14:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a note -- please don't encourage people to "write a fair use rationale" for BBC images that aren't going to be used in BBC. See Wikipedia:Fair use#Counterexamples #5. These need to be deleted, and there is no point in investing extra time in them. Jkelly 17:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy keep

I'm not sure where to make this request, but this AfD appears to be an abuse of the deletion process -- if so the article should be speedy kept. The nominator has also violated WP:3RR. --Ian Pitchford 22:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I've closed the Afd with the result of speedy keep. Paul Cyr 23:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)