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Use of pig farm image in the pork page

Given that the article is on pork, it is natural to include where pork comes from. I cannot find more recent stats, but the intensive animal farming page says that "In the U.S., as of 2000 four companies produced 81 percent of cows, 73 percent of sheep, 60 percent of pigs, and 50 percent of chickens and according to its National Pork Producers Council, 80 million of its 95 million pigs slaughtered each year are reared in industrial settings." Given that the majority of pork in the world comes from intensive animal farming, I find it is more than reasonable to include an image on it. Smk65536 (talk) 13:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pigs are natural foragers, but you didn't just add a picture of a pig, you chose the picture of a pig in a cage. And you are attempting to justify changing the image in this article's lead (and the caption) by making use of one country's figures from 15 years ago? These are figures that don't actually currently form part of this article. I would suggest it would be more appropriate to develop a description within the article of any intensive animal farming issues that relate to pork, before attempting to make changes to the selection of images. You might want to revise your estimates about intensive pig farming to being closer to about half of pigs being raised in intensive settings worldwide [1]. And please note that the sow stalls have been banned in the UK since 1999 and across the EU since 2013. [2] Some other pig welfare info here: [3] Drchriswilliams (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Pigs are natural foragers" This is irrelevant to the discussion. "by making use of one country's figures from 15 years ago" as I have said, I like to base my arguments on fact, and I could not find better figures. In the first article you linked, in the "pig farming today" section, I quote "at least half of the world's pig meat is produced from intensive systems." This corroborates my finding. "sow stalls have been banned in the UK since 1999 and across the EU since 2013" change in legislation is great, but that does not change the fact about the current situation, where more than half of the worlds pig meat is produced from intensive systems. Smk65536 (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is not an article on pig farming, it is an article on pork and I'm trying to help maintain a WP:NPOV. There are currently 2 pictures in the lead section, one of an uncooked cut of pork, one of some pork being cooked. Also, when I have provided you with up-to-date referenced information please have the courtesy to desist from claiming that you have found information that corroborates your finding- I explained that around half of pigs are reared in industrial settings when you had initially estimated 80/95 or 85% (using an outdated source relating to a single country). Drchriswilliams (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"This is not an article on pig farming" again, this is irrelevant to the discussion, and I am trying to add useful illustrative pictures to the article which relate to where pork comes from in the world. It is you who should desist from your intellectually dishonest debate tactics. My claim, which I repeat again, is that the majority of pork comes from pig farming, not the strawman argument that you have set up above, claiming that I say this is "85%" in the world.Smk65536 (talk) 04:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I'd support an image of a pig (living or in hung carcass form), as with the beef or veal articles. I can't help but think your insistence on giving prominence to a picture of pigs in their own excrement is linked to the ideologies espoused on your user page – I think WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE, etc., would suggest we omit your suggested image. That image is already featured on a number of more relevant pages that actually discuss intensive pig farming. IgnorantArmies (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE come into play here. Pig farming is certainly not a fringe topic. But I'm ok with your suggestion of showing a different image of where most pork comes from. I suggest that the images in the Cat meat article also be taken into account. Smk65536 (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Androstenone smell from pork

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