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Term "Mafia"

It's used to refer to the Sicilian mob, ;)until the international media began using it to refer to all criminal organization in Italy, as well as Italian and British immigrant based-criminal organizations in North America and Australia. Today it's often used to refer to any criminal organization in the world, such as the "Russian mafia", "English mafia", "Chinese mafia", "Albanian mafia", etc. I argue that it's more accurate to refer to these organizations as "mobs", as "Mafia" is the Sicilian mob. Someone has already redirected the page 'Irish Mafia' to 'Irish mob'. I'd suggest others do the same thing for the other alleged "mafia" groups, but I'm not well versed enough to do so. I do know, however, that it's less accurate to use terminology such as "British mafia", "Albanian Mafia", "Dixie Mafia", "Pashtun Mafia", and "Russian Mafia" when "Mafia" (a Sicilian word) refers to the Sicilian mob; terminology such as "Albanian mob", "Dixie mob", "Pashtun mob", and "Russian mob" is more precise. They own cops And people

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus in support of move. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mafia (disambiguation) → Mafia — Mafia was recently moved to Sicilian Mafia but the issue of what to do with the Mafia page was not settled. Also see Talk:Sicilian Mafia for the previous move discussion. — AjaxSmack 02:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have also posted a message there saying discuss it here! Make yr mind up please. Johnbod (talk) 02:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've just tried to clarify what I meant above. I was referring users to the previous move discussion at Talk:Sicilian Mafia. — AjaxSmack 03:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to here Johnbod (talk) 03:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the redirects that went to Mafia have been redirected by bot to the Sicilian Mafia page, to redirect only 'Mafia' here would be hollow indeed- the damage is done and it is too late salvage anything. The first move was a huge mistake and there nothing else to be had here. Therefore I oppose this move, place a hatnote on the Sicilian page instead. Outback the koala (talk) 03:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the American Mafia is a very prominent if not primary target, and I don't think that we'd get support to redirect there... 76.66.193.224 (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The problem is caused by the move from Mafia to Sicilian Mafia by incompetent admins who think they know better than the scientific community. Sicilian Mafia should be moved back to Mafia and place a hatnote on the Sicilian page instead. We should certainly not start stacking mistake on mistake. - DonCalo (talk) 08:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Leaving aside the admins. I believe wikipedia must have an article titled Mafia which would explain what the Mafia is. Neither American Mafia (just a Mafia mother-organisation's branch in the U.S., nor Sicilian Mafia (the mother organisation, but there's no need to add "Sicilian") have reason to exist without a main article titled Mafia. Pay attention: Mafia is not Yakuza or Russian mafia, or Chinese mafia , or Drangheta, nor Camorra; all of them are Mafia-type criminal organisation. The Mafia has a well-defined history, and we can't call it anyway but Mafia. I think of course Sicilian Mafia is not an encyclopedic name, that's seems to be the reason of this fuzzy nomenclature is coming out.--Theirrulez (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose as Sicilion Mafia should be moved to Mafia instead. Sicilian Mafia discusses mafia in general and not only the Italian mafia. Karry145 (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

List of every known criminal organization on earth

I tagged this DAB for cleanup. This is a MOS:DAB not List of every known criminal organization on earth, pls do NOT just list crime syndicates! --Hutcher (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


OMG, even word mafia which is originally italian word, they want to attribute this bad word with arab and Islam , that is not true , mayhias means happy not criminal or the way it was explained in this Falsipedia not wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.137.236 (talk) 05:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perjorative slang

The page mentions 'MAFFIA' as a perjorative slang temr for a UK gov't organization; I've heard something similar about the RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA). Does that belong on the page? KingAlanI (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Mafia"

The usage of Mafia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk: Sicilian Mafia -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mazzini

Is there any relationship with Giuseppe Mazzini: "Mazzini Autorizza Furti Incendi Avvelenamenti"? --41.150.197.184 (talk) 00:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kurzon

I have added British, American and Italian pronounciations of the word Mafia. I cannot see why this contribute is making the article worse. It is an Italian word used in English, and English pronounciation is different from Italian (the "a" is read in another way, and the "i" is not a vowel but a consonant). In a lot of other articles the same system is used. If you would explain what is wrong in adding such a piece of information I could understand where I am being wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.120.159 (talk) 20:24, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's superfluous. So what if there are different pronunciations in other languages? Wikipedia is not a language dictionary. Most of our readers can't even understand that phonetic script.Kurzon (talk) 02:30, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok...
"It's superfluous."
So, the fact that "on your opinion" something is superfluous makes the article worse?
"So what if there are different pronunciations in other languages?"
This is an Italian word, I did not even want to add English pronounciations, but as in most of other articles about words of foreign origin the original pronounciation of the word is added.
"Wikipedia is not a language dictionary."
Tell all users, both registered and unregistered, who have been adding pronounciations in other pages so far as I did.
"Most of our readers can't even understand that phonetic script."
See above.
Now: I have tried with kindness, but kindness did not work at all. Let me remember you that you have been blocked twice already, both the first and the second time for edit-warring, and you have been warned again just a few months ago (quoting Fortdj33: "Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made."). My question is: do you want to be blocked once again? Because, if I report your behaviour to administrators, that is what is going to happen. And you know. You have two choices: either you stop behaving like a "mafioso" on the page "mafia" as if that page was yours ("Cosa Nostra" = "Our Thing"), or you shall be first warned and then blocked again by administrators. And, if you have not understand it yet, reporting you is the first thing I am going to do just when I see my edits have been reverted by you again. I hope I have been clear enough, bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.105.23 (talk) 07:35, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your belligerence will not get you anywhere. One of the cardinal rules of Wikipedia is to assume good faith. Calling me a "mafioso" just because I reverted a silly edit does not make you look good.Kurzon (talk) 08:32, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Kurzon.27s_edit_warring_.28Mafia.29
"Your belligerence will not get you anywhere."
Your rhetorical art will not get you anywhere, it is useless you mistify reality to persuade Arbitrarily0 you are right and a good boy and I am the bad wolf.
"One of the cardinal rules of Wikipedia is to assume good faith."
So I suppose I should assume good faith when a pluri-editwarrer poly-blocked keeps reverting my correct edits, the same edits that have been made to articles such as "Pizza", right?
"Calling me a "mafioso" just because I reverted a silly edit does not make you look good."
Tsk tsk tsk, I did not call you "mafioso", I said that your behaviour is like that and you should stop it, and the fact you had already been warned and blocked in the past means I am not wrong about that.
At least I see that you have finally stopped reverting my edits, now let's wait for administrators to take a decision (which I think I already know), bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.11.124 (talk) 09:21, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Am I even talking to the same person? Your IP keeps changing.Kurzon (talk) 10:40, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you do; and yes, it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.97.40 (talk) 11:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

La Eme is NOT a mafia

Uh, the Mexican Mafia just has that name, but it's not really a mafia, it's more along the lines of a street gang; it's actually a street gang in prison. It nowhere classifies as a 'mafia'. The Mexican drug cartels are closer to a Mexican mafia(Los Zetas, for example), if anything. Please, somebody remove this or replace it with something else. It's misguiding. Also, in case you were wondering, even though the Los Zetas has a paramilitary wing, that's ok, the Serbian mafia had Arkan's Tigers and the Albanian mafia had the Kosovo Liberation Army, so it's not unusual for a large and powerful criminal organization to have a militarized wing sometimes throughout it's history of existence.

You know, you're free to do this yourself. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.Kurzon (talk) 20:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Italian pronunciation

Is there any reason not to add the orignal Italian pronunciation of the word "Mafia" as it was done in a lot of other articles about words borrowed from Italy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lysxim (talk • contribs)

About time we had some discussion on this rather than the mindless edit warring! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am the IP user who wrote in this page about two months ago. I obviously agree with the insertion of the Italian IPA. I inserted also the English (Br+Am) IPAs, but I do not think it is necessary any longer. The Italian IPA can be inserted not at the beginning but in the section Etymology (The word "mafia" ([ˈmaːfja]) originated in Sicily). Could this be a possible solution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.102.97 (talk • contribs)
Since there's an etymology section, that's probably a better place to put it than the lede. I don't see any reason not to include it. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 22:37, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
151.20: are you the same or different person to Lysxim above? Given the apparent contentiousness of this issue, it might be a good idea to wait a few more days to see if anyone else cares about this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am obviously a different person. Ok for waiting a few more days.
Putting it in the Etymology section looks acceptable. BaronBifford (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have added this to the etymology section, as proposed above. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2015

110.116.102.213 (talk) 15:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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