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    January 13

    How to edit the PageName

    Hi, I can't find any edit function to change the PageName on Eighth United States Army. Would you please change the title as 'Eighth Army (United States)'? Eighth Army doesn't use the 'Eighth United States Army' anymore. It is wrong name. If you visit their official website(8tharmy.korea.army.mil/), you can recognize what is a correct name.

    Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinson.kim (talk • contribs)

    @Chinson.kim: In order to rename an article, you need to move it. Moving an article can only be performed by autoconfirmed users, that is users who have been a member for at least four days, have made at least ten edits and have confirmed their email address. Please note, however, the move you are proposing may be controversial as it would break consistency. See the following articles (a brief list of examples):
    First United States Army, Second United States Army, Seventh United States Army, Ninth United States Army, Tenth United States Army
    --Adam talk - contribs 03:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Confirming an email address is not a requirement for autconfirmed status, see WP:AUTOC.--ukexpat (talk) 03:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ukexpat: My apologies, I assumed from the name it was a requirement. I confirmed my email when I signed up for my account and assumed when I became autoconfirmed it was one of the requirements. --Adam talk - contribs 04:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed it probably would be controversial: According to the move log it was intentionally moved the other way. —teb728 t c 05:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The name used for a Wikipedia article should be whatever its subject usually called. For example, the article on the country is United Kingdom, rather than its official name. Maproom (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there any problem with putting links to Spotify in a discography page?

    E.g., put a link to the Spotify recording of an album next to (or immediately below, etc.) the album title in the Wikipedia discography page for that artist or band.

    If this is okay, is there a particular format that should be used?

    Thanks for reading/responding.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdquirke (talk • contribs)

    @Jdquirke: That would not be allowed, as that would be spamming. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mlpearc: Thanks, but could you please elaborate? I visited the link you cited and do not see how this would qualify as any of the 3 types of spam mentioned there ("advertisements masquerading as articles; external link spamming; and adding references with the aim of promoting the author or the work being referenced"). Jdquirke (talk) 05:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jdquirke: Because Spotify is a commercial website, any links to a commercial site are considered spam. Maybe @Drmies: or @Materialscientist: (or anyone) could help explain further. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mlpearc: What's the basis for the blanket statement that "any links to a commercial site are considered spam?" I don't see anything that broad at the Wikipedia spam page. Jdquirke (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • We've allowed (in GAs and FAs too, I suppose) links to Amazon, for instance, to verify such things as catalog numbers and release dates. I've done it on Terry Riley: Cadenza on the Night Plain and a bunch of others; it's the last couple of references in that article. I don't like giving such links, but sometimes that's all you got. Spam problems arise in two ways. One, if it's clearly an attempt to move people toward the commercial site. That's hard to judge, of course, but sometimes it's clear. Two, and this is related, if the site in question focuses on the selling more than on the informationproviding. Amazon isn't so bad; iTunes, IMO, is worse, delivering less information and more sales opportunities. K-pop and J-pop articles do it in the worst way possible. Anyway, Spotify--don't you have to log in to get anything in the first place? I don't see the kind of pages for albums etc. that Amazon has: all I see is Sign up. If you have to sign up to get the information you want verified by Spotify, it's pretty much useless for a lot of people even if the info on Spotify is good. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Pippa Middleton

    Please check ref number 5 on this page - and also if you can, please check the last 3 refs added on this page- are they OK Thanks so much 101.182.146.167 (talk) 06:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Fixed the link in publisher parameter error. If the refs queried are those for James Matthews/Eden Rock the Telegraph is ok, the other 2 may not be quite WP:RS. Eagleash (talk) 06:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Removing "unreviewed" tag

    I asked this on 2015 December 31 and the problem still is not solved. Neither have I received an answer to my question. If someone knows the answer, please help out (not just removing the "unreviewed" titles but answering my question in view of future incidents: Is it permissible for me to remove the "unreviewed" sign after hearing from editors that they have reviewed my article?
    I have archived notices that my following articles have been reviewed, but all of these still have the "unreviewed" tag on them:
    Cristo Rey Jesuit High School Milwaukee
    Cristo Rey Dallas College Prep
    Arrupe College, Harare
    Loyola Academy, Chennai
    St. Xavier's School, Behror
    St. Xavier's College, Ahmedabad
    May I remove the tages since I received a "reviewed" notice on all of these?Jzsj (talk) 09:17, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The template does say "The template should be removed manually by any editor except the person who created the page ...", so that seems to say that you shouldn't remove it yourself. By what means did you receive the notification that the pages had been reviewed? Presumably not on your user talk page? Where have you archived these notices? I guess that the sensible thing is to reply to the person who has told you that they've reviewed the page and remind them that they should remove the template. Perhaps another editor can point us at any specific instructions to editors about the reviewing process? (I can see a process for reviewing edits on articles with pending changes protection and one for reviewing pending articles through the AFC processes, but not one for reviewing newly created articles.) --David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Jzsj! The type of reviewing being talked about here is the reviewing done with the Page Curation tool, and there is a way to check if a page has been reviewed using that tool. Go to one of the pages, click "View history", and then right below the title on the history page click "view logs for this page". For example, here's the log for Cristo Rey Dallas College Prep: [1]. That page has indeed been reviewed by a user other than the page creator, so I don't see anything wrong with you removing it. Please note, however, that not all of your articles (at my time of writing) *have* been reviewed: this one for example, so you should not remove that tag just yet. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Howicus! Thanks for the answer to my question. I'm away from home now but when I return to my notes at home I'll recheck the Notifications page where I thought I found the notifications on all these reviews archived. I have removed the "unreviewed" tags where the logs justified it.Jzsj (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.187.72 (talk) 10:03, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    The first error message says: "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)", and the words "help page" are in blue to indicate that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input, and the other says "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)", with the help page link to Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    traduction d'une petite lettre du francais a l'hebreu merci

    messieurs vous avez retire de l'argent sur ma carte Visa leumi pendant des mois sans mon autorisation,pour des programmes que je n'ai jamais demande sur mon telephone aussi j'ai annule a ma banque mon compte et mes cartes Visa leumi pour vous dire que aujourd'hui il vous faudra me rembourser totalement le prejudice commis a mon encontre je ne paierais pas mon telephone tant que je n'aurais pas obtenu mon remboursement de ces fautes graves qui sont attribues a des vols purs et simples Sinon,je mettrai mon dossier entre les mains de la justice par l'intermediaire de mon Avocat voila pour un premier avertissement merci beaucoup pour la traduction

    S'il vous plaît noter que ce site est Wikipedia en langue anglaise, une encyclopédie libre en ligne que tout le monde peut modifier, et cette page est seulement pour poser des questions liées à l'utilisation ou de contribuer à Wikipedia. Nous regrettons de ne pas fournir un service de traduction, sauf pour contribuer à Wikipedia elle-même: Noyster (talk), 13:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Translation of a small letter of the Hebrew has french thank you

    Roughly translated

    Gentlemen you withdraw money on my Visa Leumi for months without my permission for programs that I have never asked my phone I was also canceled my bank Visa My Account and Leumi Card to tell you that Today you will have to pay me totally committed to my prejudice against I would not pay my phone as I could not get my refund of these errors which are attributed to severe outright flights Otherwise, I will put my case in the hands of justice through the intermediary of my Lawyer for here is a first warning thank you very much for the translation

    Please note that this website is Wikipedia in English, a free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is only for ask questions related to the use or contribute to Wikipedia. We regret not to provide translation services, except for contributing to Wikipedia itself

    Translated by: Google & Mlpearc (open channel) 18:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Eden Rock, St Barths

    ref number 5 is all wrong - thanks for your help101.182.146.167 (talk) 13:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    As usual, the error message is clear. It says " Check date values in: |access-date= (help)", & the "help" wikilink is to Help:CS1_errors#bad date. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I am confused! The date seems fine to me (sorry for my confusion) why is there the red writing? Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.146.167 (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    If you think that "14 January 21066" is a valid date, you are definitely confused. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Changed to 13 January 2016...Jokulhlaup (talk) 13:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Grammar

    Am I correct by saying It's with the apostrophe in my recent edits on the Eden Rock, St Barths page ? Thanks for your help 101.182.146.167 (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    No. "It's" is short for "it is". The possessive pronoun "its" has no apostrophe. Rojomoke (talk) 13:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Please help me with the Eden Rock, St Barths page Is this grammar (use of apostrophes) correct?: The resort's owner is also its artist-in-residence 101.182.146.167 (talk) 13:42, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Uh, Rojomoke already answered this. No it's its. To expand slightly on the answer, anytime you see it's, and question its use, say to yourself: "would it is make sense here instead of it's?" If not, the apostrophe is wrong.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    University of Leeds

    ref 73 is faulty - I did not do this mistake. Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.146.167 (talk • contribs)

    I've fixed it. Note that right next to the red error message was a blue link for the word "help" that went to a help page targeted to the error and explaining how to fix it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Redirected or deleted article?

    Can't find an article for former beauty queen Marina Harrison. The page now redirects to Miss Maryland USA page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Harrison Help? Thanks.

    The article was turned into a redirect on 25 December 2015 with an edit summary "not notable outside the win so per NOPAGE" which refers to our guideline WP:NOPAGE.
    People only famous for one thing, such as winning a beauty pageant, often do not have their own page, but entering their name into Wikipedia will redirect you to an article on what they were famous for.
    If you think Marina Harrison merits her own page, you could discuss this with User:Legacypac, who turned the article into a redirect, but I note that that editor is currently blocked for "persistent disruptive editing", so you might do better to explain your reasoning here. - Arjayay (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Clinton

    This is not a complaint about Fox News but I was just wondering why Politicians continue to complain about the costs associated with the Benghazi Investigation when there is never a dollar amount discussed in reference to locating the Clinton emails - emails that should have already been part of the public record!

    As it states on the edit screen "This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions" - do you have such a question? - Arjayay (talk) 15:05, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    General knowledge questions may be asked at the Reference Desks; however, this does not appear to be a general knowledge question but a request for an opinion, and those are not appropriate for the Reference Desks either (and are likely to be viewed as trolling). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    New article - Michal Cander: polish artist

    Helllo, Could I ask you for check my new article which I have added. I saved it as a draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Micha%C5%82_Cander

    The new article is an English version of first article which was created in polish: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C5%82_Cander

    Thank you in advance for your support! ZBIK89 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbik89 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    I have looked at it, and tidied up the grammar, linking, etc. From the draft, it seems that his main claim to notability is that he has painted a "portrait" of a possibly fictitious person. I find this unconvincing as evidence of notability. Maproom (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for our reply. I know that my gramma is not really good :-) The portrait of Satoshi was the first visualization of ficitous person. This painting is well known in Bitcoin societity. Moreover, artist is famous in Poland. His paintings are recognizable in Poland. Mr Cander is respected painter in polish art community. He is a son of Krzysztof Cander, one of the most popular Polish painters in XX century.

    Could you advice me what should I do with the article to make it more "encyclopedic" ? Should I find some more links, or should I add more information about prizes? I think that Wikipedia will be vared if we add article about Mr Cander in Eglish version.

    I think that what the article needs most is one or two more independent references that establish his notability by writing about him. I have failed to find anything in English, but references to published Polish books, newspapers etc. would be acceptable. Maproom (talk) 17:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for information. I very much appreciate your comments. I hope I will make the article better.

    Dear @Maproom, I have write more in my draft about M.Cander. Please have a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Micha%C5%82_Cander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbik89 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help: How do I define my identity so I can edit an article on "Herbert Gutman"?

    How do I define my identity so I can edit an article on "Herbert Gutman"? I am the cofounder with Gutman of the American Social History Project and made some minor edits in the Gutman entry.

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevebrier (talk • contribs) 16:48, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    I have removed the comment tags around the text in your question to make it visible, & added the signature which you forgot. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Your identity isn't any help to Wikipedia in the matter of sourcing information. Your edits (which I have reverted) seemed to be suggesting that your personal knowledge counted as a reliable source for the purpose of referencing, but it would count as original research. What Wikipedia needs as sourcing is something that has already been published by reliable independent sources, so that it can be verified. The only extent to which your identity is relevant is that if you are discussing a subject with which you have had a close involvement the guidance on conflict of interest comes into play. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Hello, Steve. I'm not sure quite what you mean by "define your identity", but I'm guessing that you think that by establishing that you are connected with the subject of the article this will give you permission to edit it. I'm afraid that Wikipedia doesn't work like that, and in fact roughly the opposite is true. Anybody in the world can edit (nearly) any article; but if you are closely associated with the subject of an article you are discouraged from editing that, because your possible conflict of interest may make it difficult for you to edit it in a sufficiently neutral way. As it says in the link I just included, what you are invited to do is to post any suggested changes on the article's talk page - preferably with citation to independent reliable published sources for the information. Please note that unpublished information, whether documentary (eg letters) or from your personal knowledge, is not acceptable as a source for Wikipedia articles, and if a piece of information is not backed up by a reliable published source, it should not be in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    New article - Skulpt : fitness device

    Hi! Can you please check a new article I have written, particularly the references. Not sure if I have done something wrong but i am getting error messages on each of the retrieval dates. I am following same format as previous articles and had no issues previously Many Thanks - link to article Skulpt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garymonk (talk • contribs) 16:53, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks - looks good now :-)

    Garymonk (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How to define my identity so I can edit Wikipedia entry

    I am trying to do minor edits to an entry ("Herbert Gutman"). Apparently I need to define my identity, but I'm unclear how to do that on Wikipedia. Steve Brier ("Stevebrier")

    @Stevebrier: What do you mean, exactly "How do I define my identity" ? Mlpearc (open channel) 17:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a duplicate, probably because Stevebrier accidentally put the text inside an HTML comment the first time. See two items above. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    No-one has asked you to "define your identity". You have been told, correctly, that personal knowledge is not acceptable here as a source of information, as you apparently believed when you type "<ref name = "Stevebrier" />". That form of reference is used in Wikipedia, but only when the name has been defined, preferably as a reference to a published work, in a previous reference in the same article. Maproom (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If you know any authors who have published books about a topic, then you can cite their book as a reference. Dbfirs 18:14, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    As a slight clarification, any such books need to be properly edited and published by a reputable publisher, some Wikipedia editors try to use self-published and other non-reliable "published" sources - often written by themselves - these are NOT acceptable. - Arjayay (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I should have made that distinction. Dbfirs 00:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    page

    How could I do a page on someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank w Reid (talk • contribs)

    @Frank w Reid: I've left a welcome message on your talk page which should help answer this question. Dismas|(talk) 18:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Yale Materials Handling Corporation Information

    Could someone please edit this page Yale_Materials_Handling_Corporation to remove the last sentence, AND remove the NACCO Industries list of subsidiaries at the bottom of the page since they have nothing to do with Yale any longer. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.241.154 (talk • contribs)

    Done - has been changed in the meantime by a new account. I have also removed the 2 involved companies from the underlying navigation template. However, this fact, and the whole article, could use some independent reliable sources to verify its information, and to establish the company's notability. GermanJoe (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That article should be merged with and redirected to NACCO Industries because it does not appear to be independently notable.--ukexpat (talk) 20:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Template parameter resolution

    Resolved

    When I gave someone a barnstar, I simply copied the content of the "What to type" column from Wikipedia:Barnstars, as intended. But to my surprise, my whole message just got displayed as "{{{1}}}" - in other words, parameter 1 was unresolved. As usual, the solution was explicit parameter assignment, in this case, prefixing the message with "1=".

    To prevent others from running into this problem, I want to insert the "1=" prefix in the the "What to type" column. However, that column uses two templates, {{Tlxs}} and {{Tlsp}}, which of course assume that the "1=" is meant for them. The workaround given is to escape the "=" with "&61;". Unfortunately, that doesn't get replaced by the "=" sign: {{subst:The Original Barnstar|1#61;message ~~~~}} How can I make an "=" sign appear? — Sebastian 19:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @SebastianHelm: Try adding "2=", since you are trying to place an equals sign within the second unnamed parameter of the {{tlxs}} template: {{subst:The Original Barnstar|1=message ~~~~}} [look at the coding] -- John of Reading (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, great idea! Thanks a lot! — Sebastian 20:10, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Your first attempt failed because the html entity is not &61; but &#61;: {{subst:The Original Barnstar|1=message ~~~~}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Tracking categories

    Do you know maybe why is an article or category (page) added to each of the tracking categories? Can you thoroughly explain, for example, when is an article added to Category:Commons category with local link different than on Wikidata when to Category:Commons category with page title different than on Wikidata and how to remove it from those categories? When is it added to Category:Commons category without a link on Wikidata, and why is it not added to Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata? I localised template to sr but categories that should be full are empty and vice versa. I would like to see explanation on a raw example... --Obsuser (talk) 23:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Why is 2016 placed in Category:Commons category with page title different than on Wikidata when pagename (2016) is not different than on Wikidata (I don’t even know different from what: category name for sr, or pagename...) --Obsuser (talk) 23:48, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I altered your category links to be readable. The {{cl}} template is very useful for that, but only works within this Wikipedia. To your first question: I see that you asked that at Template talk:Commons category, which seems an excellent place to ask, but you removed it again. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    {{commons category}} compares {{#property:P373}} against {{PAGENAME}} or against {{{1}}}. No doubt your answer lies there. I don't know what {{#property:P373}} is.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Property:P373 in Wikidata is Commons category. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It may be an issue with Wikidata properties for Wikipedia languages with script variants like Serbian and Chinese. I tried to preview this code in different Wikipedia editions of 2016:
    {{#property:P373}} and 2016 are {{#ifeq:{{#property:P373}}|2016|equal|not equal}}
    I don't work in languages with script variants but I would naively have expected {{#property:P373}} to always return the same four-character string "2016" from wikidata:Q25245#P373, and always produce "equal" in the above code. At sr:2016 and zh:2016年 it says "2016 and 2016 are not equal". In all other tested languages it says "2016 and 2016 are equal". I don't know what to do about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Redrose64: Which "category links" you altered? I posted there first time but problem is not only related to that template but {{#property:P373}} i.e. Wikidata and Commons.

    @PrimeHunter: Can you try to figure out why it is not possible to form wikiling using {{#property:P373}}? [[{{#property:P373}}]] and [[{{#property:P373}}|text]] returns [[value of {{#property:P373}}]] and [[value of property {{#property:P373}}|text]], respectively. Link cannot be formed and square brackets remain where they are, so I had to make link to Commons using external https:// link, not wikilink. I guess this can be helpful to resolve this if resolvable.

    Could you "filter" somehow {{#property:P373}}’s output using other template or module so it is converted into plain text? It would be impossible then for "2016" to be different from "2016".

    And generally: When is an article (raw examples) added to Category:Commons category with local link different than on Wikidata when to Category:Commons category with page title different than on Wikidata and how to remove it from those categories? --Obsuser (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    See this edit. I altered your [...] syntax to {{cl|...}} and used the actual Cyrillic characters instead of those impossible-to understand percent encodings. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Redrose64 referred to altering category links in your post here.[2]. As mentioned, the reported problem appears to only occur in Wikipedia languages with script variants (see mw:Writing systems#LanguageConverter). [[{{#property:P373}}]] produces a working link (actually bolded text because it's a link to the page itself) in the English 2016 but not in the Serbian sr:2016 or Chinese zh:2016年. I don't know what to do about it. You could try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). English articles are added to Category:Commons category with local link different than on Wikidata and Category:Commons category with page title different than on Wikidata by code in {{Commons category}}. The code compares to the Wikidata item like wikidata:Q25245#P373. It works correctly at the English Wikipedia but not at the Serbian so you can disable the corresponding code in sr:Template:Commonscat to avoid the unwanted categories. Just comment out the categories with <!-- ... --> if you don't want to mess with the testing code. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I know that what template is doing but category classification on .sr is not logical at all. I will post question to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) too. Thank you.Obsuser (talk) 22:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    This oddity caught my curiosity in passing, so I had a little play around in page preview on sr:2016. It looks like the problem goes away if you do the comparison inside Lua, instead of in the MW parser. The following seems to be successfully matching P373 against PAGENAME on SR-WP:
    {{#invoke:WikidataCheck|wikidatacheck|property=P373|value={{PAGENAME}}|category=:P373/PAGENAME|namespaces=0}}
    N.B. I jammed a colon at the start of the category parameter to deliberately break the normal behaviour of generating an invisible category membership not-a-link. I'm not suggesting that Module:WikidataCheck is the correct thing to use in this case, it was just a very convenient way of quickly testing what happens if you do it in Lua, without actually needing to make any Lua changes or add any new module code. It produces "[[Category::P373/PAGENAME same as Wikidata]]" on both en:2016 and sr:2016, and will say "different …" if you introduce an extra character to the value parameter to create a deliberate difference. Maybe it should be done in the existing WikidataCheck, or maybe it should be a new module for this purpose, I'm not taking a position on either side of that.
    So, there's a bunch of things to look at which may enable creation of a working solution. Very limited testing by me, just a quick hack, no warranty, use at your own risk, some assembly required, not suitable for small children due to choking hazard.
    --Murph9000 (talk) 05:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems the bug is in the #property parser function, then. It displays the right result in those languages, but when it is used to compare values something goes wrong. Is there a bug in Phabricator for this yet? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 07:11, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Not as far as I can see.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    January 14

    What happens to USER Infoboxes when we die?

    Hi folks, I am researching technology and generational succession and wondering how we modify Wikiepedia editor user infoboxes in the event of passing?

    Is there a duplicate template for every userbox that can be applied to indicate the Wikipedia user has desceased?

    I don't really speak with a lot of Wikipedians because of the often confusing politics that have evolved over the years, but what are we, as a community, doing about acknowledging the passing of deceased Wikipedians with respect to their digital estate and tributes to it?

    Are we building an encyclopedia of collections for all time that is going to post-date our individual expiry dates?

    Help me discover where we are going with this.

    THE QUESTION I AM ASKING THEREFORE IS: What part of WIkipedia, is there a subsection or another Project, that deals with establishing how memorials and associated tributes with respect to estates will be handled?

    If we want this thing to live forever, do we not have to make changes to some of the infoboxes in the least? How is Admin/editor death handled on WIkipedia?

    Wikiworld2 (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    It varies a lot, I guess depending upon how well known and respected they were. See for example User:Wadewitz. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a Category:Deceased Wikipedians; a template, {{Deceased Wikipedian}}; and a wikiproject, WP:RIP. Their userpages are preserved in their memory. Their edits and contributions to the project live on in the attribution on the history pages of the articles they contributed to. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone can mark a user page as deceased, but in most cases we never know why someone stopped editing. There is little practical difference between a dead editor and an editor who simply hasn't logged in for ten years (and might return tomorrow). It is generally considered socially-inappropriate to alter someone else's user page, unless there is an extremely good reason to do so. For now there is an unstated assumption that the user page will probably remain in place long as Wikipedia exists.
    Under the copyright terms we use, the record of their edits is legally required to be preserved in connection to any page they have edited. As long as a page they contributed to is still in use, their username will stand in the page's edit history as an implicit memorial to the work they have contributed. Alsee (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Followup regarding inheritance of a digital estate, we do not have any mechanism or recognition of "inheritance" of a user account. Wikipedia accounts are only allowed to be used by a single individual - we would activate a software block against anyone discovered to be using an "inherited" user account. From a legal standpoint heirs do inherit the user's copyrights. Anyone who contributes here does so under the terms of an irrevocable copyright license. The heirs could in theory sue someone who copied the user's work in violation of the copyright terms we user here, but they cannot prevent the continued use of that copyrighted-content within the terms of the license. Alsee (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Denver Pyle

    "Denver Pilye, who Stared as Uncle Jesse in the Dukes of Hazard was in an episode of the Waltons (Season 1)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.36.254.250 (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2016

    The Denver Pyle article already mentions that he was on The Waltons. If I understand what you're saying, it was only one episode, so I doubt it needs further embellishment other than the brief mention it has now. Dismas|(talk) 18:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Draft:Paul Brubaker : Request for review

    Since this Help Desk is thought to be the unfriendly but civil and accurate place for questions, as opposed to the Teahouse, I will ask if some other editor will review Draft:Paul Brubaker. It does appear to be an autobiography. It does appear to be one of the best autobiographies that I have seen in Wikipedia (which is not to say much). I may be biased, because I don’t like autobiographies. Can someone here who is a reviewer review this autobiography? It seems ot be well-sourced. Is it neutral? (I am not neutral toward autobiographies, so I need the community to help.

    There's a lot of things wrong with the draft that could easily be fixed, e.g. far too much blue text, use of direct external links, a strange heading for the references section. It is not neutral, it concentrates on listing the subject's achievements and awards. This could also be fixed. But there's little point in working on it unless the subject's notability can be established. The most convincing evidence of notability I can see there is a Washington Post article, which quotes him rather than saying anything about him. Maproom (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Ross Turnbull (rugby union)

    My husband is Ross Vincent Turnbull and his date of birth has been wrongly recorded as born on 6 January........this is incorrect his date of birth is 13 November 1941.

    I would appreciate this being rectified at your earliest convenience.

    Kind Regards

    Caroline Turnbull — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.163.138.22 (talk) 05:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    My condolences on your loss. Do you have a reliable source for his birthday? Usually something published would do. Unfortunately, your personal knowledge is not considered such, per WP:RS. One of the two source in the article does list the January 6 date. Rwessel (talk) 06:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I found the following sources for Ross Vincent Turnbull's date of birth being 13 November 1941:
    These are, however, obituaries and were most likely produced by the family and so I can't be sure whether they'd be seen as reliable sources. I am a new, relatively inexperienced editor and so I will leave it to another, more experienced user to decide whether these sources are reliable enough for inclusion. If they are, I will be happy to correct the article for you. --  Adam talk - contribs   20:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Ms. Turnbull, condolences for your loss. I should point out that the article at http://en.espn.co.uk/australia/rugby/player/7450.html has Mr. Turnbull's birth date as 6 January 1941. This was likely the source of the birth date used in the Wikipedia article. Perhaps you should contact ESPN UK and have them correct the information? I note they have contact info at: http://en.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/page/1363.html Chrisw80 (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I have copied the above discussion to Talk:Ross_Turnbull_(rugby_union)#Possibly_incorrect_birthdate. I have removed all birthdate information from the article for the time being.
    Caroline Turnbull, to ensure that an incorrect date doesn't get added back into the article the best thing you can do is click this link and put in any additional published sources which show the correct birth date. If you also type {{Help me}} that will attract the attention of an editor to review the situation, answer questions, or make appropriate edits to the article. Alsee (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Prince George of Cambridge

    Ref number 48 on this page is from a book and I have not done it correctly. Please assist - thanks so much - and please leave in the quote101.182.146.167 (talk) 05:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    What exactly is the problem? Rwessel (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for getting back to me - ref 48 on the above page seems to be incorrectly done: as a book - shouldn't there be a long line of numbers/code as well? Cheers 101.182.146.167 (talk) 06:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Dear Madam/Sir, I have added the ISBN. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 06:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I post this announcement?

    Horses on WP oh my!
    This is a physics article on Wikipedia. To keep from angering (or confusing) the editors, it was placed there only briefly in order to publish it in Wikiversity:First Journal of Science

    According to this survey, the prime disincentive against making scholarly contributions to Wikipedia is that it will not advance careers. Wikiversity:First Journal of Science will be a peer-reviewed journal that should alleviate this problem for recent college graduates who are not expected to have published in the established scholarly journals.

    The word "First" in the title is intended to suggest that we need more journals like this. The Wikiversity:First Journal of Science was patterned after the Wikiversity Journal of Medicine, but will have a somewhat more informal flavor, consistent with this new journal's intent to focus on teaching at the undergraduate college level. Wikiversity:First Journal of Science will attribute with bylines that list usernames only, in contrast with the use of real names by the Wikiversity Journal of Medicine

    Another unique feature of Wikiversity:First Journal of Science is that edited versions of Wikipedia articles are welcome, and are presented as Wikipedia articles on the Wikiversity journal via permalinks to the history of Wikipedia articles. This is currently accomplished in a rather awkward fashion, by moving the Wikipedia article into the editor's user space, and after proper attribution, deleting all that extraneous prose that Wikipedia articles tend to acquire. An example of this shown in one of the three "pseudo-articles" that were used to create a mockup version. Of the three "pseudo-articles" in this mockup, I consider only one to be suitable for publication. It is Wikipedia's Introduction to quantum mechanics. Note how the logo was inserted into the "pseudo-accepted" version without permission of the article's current editors. In other words, all of Wikipedia's 5 million articles are candidates for publication in this journal, and in a manner of speaking, have already effectively submitted their manuscripts to Wikiversity:First Journal of Science for review----Guy vandegrift (talk) 09:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    If you are saying you would like a Wikipedia article on "Wikiversity:First Journal of Science," the first step would be to collect significant coverage of the journal in independent reliable sources like newspapers, magazines, and books. If such coverage does not exist, an article is not possible. —teb728 t c 10:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Teb728: I agree a WP article on this journal would fall far short of notability--Guy vandegrift (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Guy vandegrift: Do you mean in regards to a mass message letting people know it exists? Or a watchlist notice? -- samtar whisper 10:54, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Samtar: Yes, some sort of message to invite contributions would be a good idea. What do you suggest?--Guy vandegrift (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC) ... I just posted on Portal_talk:Physics#Invitation_to_participate_in_an_online_Journal. Should I go to the other Portals and post there?--Guy vandegrift (talk) 17:01, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Guy vandegrift: "Portal talk" pages are for discussing improvements to the corresponding portals. You'd do better to post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics or other WikiProject talk pages if you want your message to reach these editors. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I am thoroughly confused. The title of this thread suggests it is about how to make an announcement; but the following three paragraphs appear to be the content of the announcement. And they make little sense. You quote "the prime disincentive against making scholarly contributions to Wikipedia is that it will not advance careers" – but nor do most of the other things I do with my time, I don't feel it as a disincentive. Then you present a new online journal as a solution to this problem – I don't see how providing an alternative site where people can create articles will encourage scholarly contributions to Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 11:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maproom: I guess we are all confused. It was only as I was creating the mockup did I realize that my journal could essentially accept and publish any article already on WP. The ramifications of that need to be carefully thought out. --Guy vandegrift (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Infinite Speed F1 Team

    Infinite Speed is a team of four schoolkids who are making a miniature F1 car to race against others.

    Sam Woodhouse is the Team Manager, Chewie (Jessica WinWin) is the Design Engineer, Evan Wilikie is the Manufacturer and Mya Singh is the Marketing Manager

    File:Infinite Speed
    Logo

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinite Speed (talk • contribs) 11:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for sharing the information about your project. At this stage, you should probably publicise your team on Facebook and similar social media, but if your project gets written about in several reliable sources in the future, then we might have an article about you. Dbfirs 12:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Citing search results pages (website seems to use PHP)

    What's the best way to cite a page of search results on a website which does not appear to give a unique URL for each page of results?

    The Isle of Wight Family History Society website lets you query its database of churches and chapels. For an article I'm planning, I want to search each place name using the "Search location:" drop-down and "Search" button, then cite info from the records it brings back. Unfortunately each results page has the same static URL, http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/churches/church_etc_res.php. Even worse, if you search for "All locations", each subsection has a unique URL (e.g. http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/churches/church_etc_res.php#Arreton) but this doesn't work if you copy and paste it into a new browser window.

    One workaround I thought of: cite the main search page and stick some text at the end of the citation template such as Select "Arreton" from the "Search location:" box. Would that be acceptable in a citation? Or even better, is there a way of finding a unique URL for each search?

    (Regarding reliability of this website ... I think it's OK because it lists many of its sources, I have cross-referenced with other reliable sources, and there is editorial oversight. I won't be relying on it as my only source for anything though.)

    Hope that question makes sense! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The at parameter at Template:Cite web#In-source locations can be used to give search directions like:
    "Search the IWFHS Churches, Chapels and Cemeteries". Isle of Wight Family History Society. Search location: Arreton.
    PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    How do search results satisfy WP:V without violating WP:NOR at the same time? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you clarify, in respect of this particular website? This would involve querying a fixed dataset. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If somebody reading the article wants to verify a reference, they do not expect, upon clicking a link, to get a message like " Results of search for Churches, Chapels and Cemeteries etc. in There are no entries found, sorry." If you (as the person adding the ref) have searched that website, and what you want to ref is St George's Church, Arreton, pick whichever one of the URLs on the right (I count five) actually supports the facts that you are describing - it might be Church history. Put that in the ref, and others will then be able to click on the link and access exactly the same source, without guessing, without having to mess around with search criteria. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (Sorry, I had an edit conflict – apologies for the indenting) OK, fair point. I would be citing other sources anyway in all cases, so hopefully I may not need to use the website at all. (I am at the very early stages of research, and the article in question isn't likely to be ready until late this year at the earliest, so I should have plenty of time to find other sources.) If anybody can find a way to get a unique URL, I would be interested to find out anyway, as it would be useful to know even if I don't use it in this case. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 16:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Church history at Internet Archive
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    creating a page in wikipedia

    to create an page in wikipedia firstly I have to log in there then I have to go to the sandbox then I can start my work... but my question is when I start writting & finish it shows my username/sandbox what I don't want... I want there to show only my page name... how to do this?????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanija22 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:MOVE the page. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm going to disagree with Redrose64, or at least expand on his answer. I don't think that it would be wise to move the page to article space until the content has been provided with references to independent published reliable sources. I would advise that when you think it is ready you shouldn't move it yourself but should submit it for review through the WP:AFC process. To enable that, I have added a template to your sandbox draft. I'll also put a few useful links on your user talk page (including WP:Your first article). --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The sandbox is question is a fork of Rajshahi College, anyway, and is largely identical, text-wise. It would have been easier to make the edits directly to the article instead of copying it all to your sandbox unless your plan to so totally rewrite the article that the one currently in mainspace is in shadow of your version. In any event, it can't be moved on top of the page in mainspace, anyhow. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no key

    My first article is tagged opening tag is malformed and has a bad name. How can I correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PixtonDesignGroup (talk • contribs) 16:06, 14 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

    • It appears that you have been blocked for having a promotional username, so please come back and create an appropraite username following the policies at WP:UPOL and then repost your requestion. It should be an easy fix anyone here can help you with. I see one page you have in draft space, but no current errors for references, so I'm not sure if your problem was with that page, or another page that was already deleted for being promotional. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      The error, a stray <ref /> tag, was cured by another editor in this edit. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Reference help requested.

    Thanks, 54.163.9.61 (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Sarah McCullough

    Him who is Sarah McCullough in the real? I only know that she voiced Musa and Stormy. but who she is?--Maxie1hoi (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Maxie1hoi: Have you tried the Entertainment section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 Dismas|(talk) 21:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Linking from English language page to non-English page

    Hello. My question is how one would go about linking from an English language page to a page in another language. So if the regular wikipedia link is formatted like this, beIN Sports, bookended by two brackets, is it possible to link directly to the same page in another language? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThirstCurfew (talk • contribs) 22:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    You can link to say the French version like this fr:beIN Sports by typing [[:fr:beIN Sports]]. Maproom (talk) 22:03, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    More at H:ILL. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    47.54.102.103 (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    If you don't want "fr:" to display, just use the pipe trick, i.e. [[:fr:beIN Sports|beIN Sports]]. Nyttend (talk) 04:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That, true, Nyttend, but I would always advise against putting a link to a foreign-language article without saying so, because if the reader cannot read the other language it may not be any use to them. My recommendation would always be to use the template {{ill}}, which displays a link to the English article, but if that is red (the article doesn't exist) adds a second link to the foreign-language article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    January 15

    Change name of Spoto Wines

    Would you be able to help me change the name of the Spoto Wines page to Spoto Family Wines (add family)? The company recently added "family" to their label and I would like the article updated. Thank you! Lexi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atspoto (talk • contribs) 00:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello Lexi. Did they just change the label, or the name of the business? I ask because all the references I can find still refer to it as "Spoto Wines". Even their own Web site starts out with "Welcome to Spoto Wines! Spoto Wines is a small family winery..." Similarly, all the press I could find refers to "Spoto Wines". Is there any reference to support the name change?--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It's very new, so I'm trying to get the owner to change it on their website. As for now, the only support to prove the name change is the image I uploaded to the page. This change occurred probably six months ago, but has been taking longer to change every mention of the winery. There is also a trademark pending on the name. I will work on getting the owner to change his website, then perhaps you can change the name. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atspoto (talk • contribs) 01:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Lexi, I guess once the trademark becomes official would be the logical time to make the change.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree. It's not the "official name" that we use for the article, it's the name that most published sources use. Maproom (talk) 08:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Maproom is right: See the naming convention guideline at WP:ENGLISH. —teb728 t c 09:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Also supporting that approach is Wikipedia:Moving a page#Reasons for moving a page, which says one reason to move a page is "The subject of the article has changed its name and the new name has come into majority use." In the meantime, would it be appropriate for me to create a redirect from "Sporto Family Wines"?--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gronk Oz: This edit didn't notify. You need to add the links and sign in the same edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for letting me know about that, Redrose64 - that's a subtlety I have never come across. While on the topic, I have never understood the difference between {{u}}, {{ping}}, {{reply}} etc - people seem to use them interchangeably in discussions to notify the other person. Is there an explanation of the difference somewhere?--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    {{u}} is a redirect to {{user link}} (as are some others). It takes one or two parameters: the login name of the person you are referring to, and an optional alias. It makes a link to that user page, so {{u|Redrose64}} is identical in action to [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]].
    There's no difference at all between {{ping}} and {{reply}}, both are redirects to {{reply to}} (as are several others). It takes one to seven parameters, being the login names of up to seven people you're addressing. {{reply to}}, when given one name, is essentially the same as {{user link}} when given one name, but with a couple of extra characters (an at sign and a colon) and an enclosing <span>...</span> element, so {{reply|Redrose64}} is identical in action to <span class="template-ping">@[[:User:Redrose64|Redrose64]]:</span>.
    What it comes down to is this: they all make links to user pages, and a link to a user page is an essential requirement of the notifications system. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Removing Deletion flag

    My article was suggested for deletion due to the fact it had no sources. I have now added sources how do I delete the tag for deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worobey (talk • contribs) 01:20, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    What has changed since the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tim_Fugger to make the subject of the article any more notable? If nothing, then there isn't anything that can be done to prevent the article being deleted. --ℕ ℱ 02:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    what is wikipedia?

    ≈ surekha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surekha surekha (talk • contribs) 09:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia is an on-line encyclopaedia, created and edited by volunteers from all over the world. You can click on those two words in blue to get more information. Rojomoke (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    More at WP:What is Wikipedia? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Nightwing.UK.

    Hi,just reading an article on Nightwing uk and see you do not mention the Original Guitarist(Eric Percival)from 1978 to 1982 and later in 2006 on the last album 8472.Maybe an oversight on your behalf.I feel if you write something it should be written properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.141.78 (talk) 12:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, IP user. Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. If you find a way that an article can be improved, you are welcome to edit the article; or if you are not confident in doing that, making a suggestion on the article's associated talk page is the best place. Ideally, all information in a Wikipedia article should be supported by a citation to a published source, so if you can give that, so much the better. --ColinFine (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    solutions to the problems of marriage/concepts of marriage

    1. basis of marriage

    A.what is marriage

    At the creation of human beings, it was only man was first created.later no ,God saw that it was not the man to be living alone and wished he created a helpmate for him.He did make a helpmate for the man and she was called woman because she had been out of man. Thus, woman was created to assist man in all his endeavors. The promise of God as to bring up children, and so on is secondary issue.

    b.THE ERRONEOUS MOTIVES TO MARRIAGE

    ( a) Many people do marry so as ton see someone to be preparing food for them. therefore, such treat their wives as a slaves. This is very wrong motive to marriage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightofgod23 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Humans were created by evolution. Anyway, this help desk is for questions related to editing and using Wikipedia. Though general knowledge questions are welcome at the reference desk, I think you would need to refine any question in the same vein if you wanted to ask it there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, is there a way to block a page from being edited?

    what can we do if statements of fact are being edited on a page we have an interest in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbrownnason (talk • contribs) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I've replied two sections below this one since I saw that one first... Dismas|(talk) 13:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Taharrush gamea

    Hi, the Swedish page on Taharrush gamea is not correct. It has different arabic words and is more biased than the English.

    A user called Yger is constantly erasing a more correct version and fuller (based upon the English) is taken away immediately.

    Now, he has edited more than 200.000 articles priory and I none so how should one therefore edit for example the incorrect naming of the subject in arabic from the start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabehdin (talk • contribs) 13:10, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    This is the English Wikipedia. We have no control over the Swedish Wikipedia. See sv:Wikipedia:Begäran om åtgärder.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, is there a way to block a page from being edited?

    Dbrownnason (talk) 13:11, 15 January 2016 (UTC)what can we do if statements of fact are being changed on a page we have an interest in?[reply]

    (edit conflict) Hi, Dbrownnason. Pages on Wikipedia can only be protected. Protection is only performed on articles that require it in order to prevent harm to the article; it's not done as a precautionary measure. The typical reasons are persistent vandalism, or to stop conduct disputes and edit wars by multiple users so that they'll seek consensus. You can request protection by clicking here. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dbrownnason: You could request page protection at WP:RFPP. Though because you keep using the word "we", I'm guessing you want to read the conflict of interest guideline first. Followed by Wikipedia:Username policy to see that more than one person should not be using the same account to edit. Dismas|(talk) 13:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    After looking into your edits, I see you might be referring to this edit. You replaced information which had a reference with information that lacked a reference. If information is to remain, a reliable source must be provided. Dismas|(talk) 13:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Problems with my article

    Hello,

    I have recently posted a Wikipedia entry on Sadie Morgan (Sadie Morgan).

    Despite many attempts to ensure it is written in the NPOV, Wikipedia still insists it is written in a way that promotes or advertises the subject.

    Please could you provide some guidance as to what specifically is triggers this problem.

    Many thanks.

    Ann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.133.18.170 (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Ann. That tag was placed there by NeemNarduni2 when the article was quite new, and there have been many changes since then. So it may be worth contacting him/her at User Talk:NeemNarduni2 to ask whether the tag still applies, and if so then what are some specific examples. BTW, I not that the photo used in the article has been nominated for deletion; it is a copyrighted image and cannot be used here.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Quick note: @62.133.18.170: Please review WP:OWN, just so you're aware. Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 22:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    A free photo to Maria Farantouri

    Does anyone know where we can get an applicable and free picture of Maria Farantouri to Wikimedia Commons? The photo of the article is quite bad and old. Or is there any free photos over there? Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lentokenttä (talk • contribs) 15:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    There only appears to be one picture of her in Commons, Lentokenttä, which is presumably the one you are talking about, though it is not used in the en.Wikipedia article and never has been as far as I can see. It is usually difficult to find free photos of current people, unless you are able and willing to go and take one yourself, or get somebody else to. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Uploading pictures

    Wikipedia asks many questions during picture upload. I closed the page instead of uploading. Is there any shortcut way, where I can directly upload picture and add details later on. As we can create redirect and edit the redirect into an article? --Marvel Hero (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Marvel Hero: Not as far as I know. Lots of people omit to answer the questions - which are not optional - thus the system forces one to answer them.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Those questions are for a legal purpose, Marvel Hero:without them, Wikipedia does not know whether it is legal to have the image there at all. So I guess the implementors of that portion wanted to make sure that the questions would always be asked. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    One reason the questions need to be answered is due to ....and add details later on never happens. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:19, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (e/c) Hi Marvel Hero. Yes you can easily bypass the guided upload wizard (both here and at the Commons). But you really should only do so if you are quite clear on the templates, information and copyright licensing (or fair use scheme) you will be placing. When you are at the upload page, click on "Plain form for local uploads" under the Wikipedia section of the "Uploading media files" box in the center of the page.

    You shouldn't add the "details later on", but right in the upload. It's often good to first find a local file (i.e. not a Wikimedia Commons file) you think is very similar in terms of its licensing to the one you are going to be uploading. Once you find one, click edit on that file page and copy its details, then paste into the form presented to you, tailor for your purposes, and upload away.

    I do not know what you are asking when you say: "As we can create redirect and edit the redirect into an article". An uploaded image will not normally be redirected in any way. It will be placed using normal image syntax, or without that, in an infobox field. By the way who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts may not be shared by a group, but must represent an individual. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I think Marvel Hero is talking about a rather unorthodox way of creating articles, by first creating a redirect, and then editing it, Fuhghettaboutit. I don't know why they should want to do that. And I took "we" as "we Wikipedia editors", not as a multiple user of an account. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    dubious about B. Alijani

    Hello,

    This page appeared in recent deaths on wikidata. While trying to check data about birth and death, I found that reference n°2 is highly dubious to me. It is in arabic, which could be alright, but seems to be an ad for blue jeans, which is strange for a scientist :(

    Could someone please check this page for reliability. Not even sure the person exists. Could not find his/her name anywhere…

    Also the text looks like a bad machine translation :( --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 22:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I suspect the references are in Farsi, not Arabic. I have supplied his given name, with a citation (so the blue jeans ad is now no. 3). I suspect the article is valid, but the machine translation is horrible. Maproom (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. Is he really dead in 2014 ? (cat. only) --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 01:07, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Damian Aspinall

    Please check ref. number 9 on the above page - it is form an old newspaper (verifiable) but in a new digital format. Please fix up how to this ref. correctly. Thanks 139.216.210.155 (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

     Done I've tweaked up the ref a bit. I removed the quote as it's clear in the linked article. Could be put back if another editor so desires. Eagleash (talk) 23:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    January 16

    Clock in personal toolbar

    What happened to the clock gadget? It's not appeared on any page in the last couple of days. Figuring that I might have changed something by accident that affected it, I just now checked my gadgets, and "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)" was still checked. I've never had any .js or .css pages, except for User:Nyttend/monobook.js (which hasn't been edited since September), and I'm using the same skin as I have since August 2006. Nyttend (talk) 02:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    My clock is still there, on the far upper right, just right of "Log out". StuRat (talk) 02:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Working here, maybe a browser issue. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:00, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nyttend: I take it you use MonoBook? @StuRat and Mlpearc: Which skin are you using? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I use Monobook and my clock is unaffected.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:03, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It works for me in all desktop skins. Try to disable the gadget, save, and enable it again. Do other gadgets work? Does it work in any of the below? (Minerva doesn't have gadgets) PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fuhghettaboutit, Redrose64, and Nyttend: I use Vector, and as of this post, the clock is working. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:11, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The clock started working again late yesterday, and it's there now. I've not knowingly changed anything with my settings or my browser. Bizarre...Thanks for the help! Nyttend (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    St. Louis Rams: admin attn needed

    Why is the St. Louis Rams article still known as this? A press conference wasn't enough to warrant a name change? As a prominent user said on the Rams talk page, WP looks stupid not having the name changed by now with all the red tape it put up. Buffaboy talk 03:36, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    St. Louis Rams has been moved to Los Angeles Rams after discussion at Talk:Los Angeles Rams#Requested move 13 January 2016. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Damian Aspinall

    I have done ref. 2 but it is all wrong. Please leave in the quote but fix it up. The ref is from an obituary. I am sorry. Thanks 101.182.146.167 (talk) 04:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

     Done You were not far off with your citation, it just needed a little fixing. You should be able to see what I changed if you look at the page history, to help you learn how to better use the citation templates. You can find full documentation for the particular template I used there at Template:Cite news, giving detailed descriptions of the parameters, etc. {{Cite book}} was not the correct choice for citing a newspaper article. I only cleaned up the 2 references in the "Early life" section, I didn't review the remainder of the article. --Murph9000 (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How to create an account on wikipedia

    a have tried a lot of times but it can't be a sucesss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.253.107.8 (talk) 08:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    You should be able to just create an account. If that is failing for you, or you are having difficulty with the process, please provide some specific details. --Murph9000 (talk) 08:19, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Page size

    How can I check the article's page size in bytes along with its prose size? Thanks Ayub407talk 14:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Page length (in bytes) in available through the "Page information" link under "Tools" in the left hand menu bar. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank :) Ayub407talk 15:12, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

    I am trying to edit a page and I cannot tell if it has worked or if I need to do something different. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogsincars7 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, it looks like you were trying to remove sourced content (please don't do that) but what happened instead was that you removed part of the reference for the information, which broke the code. I've restored it. You can ask me on my page if you have further problems with editing the page. Bishonen | talk 16:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC).[reply]
    The content that Dogsincars7 tried to remove was sourced, and presumably true. But it was personal information about someone other than the subject of the article: I believe her privacy should be respected, as recommended at WP:NPF. I will remove the paragraph. Maproom (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Including quotations (in this case from a primary source)

    Where can I find the rules on the inclusion of (a) quoted text from a source and (b) quoted text from a primary source (if they are different). I seem to remember seeing style guide info that said avoid using too many quotes, etc., but can't find it now.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 17:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Unusual coordinate format

    So, while expanding the Cerro Tuzgle article I've found this source which uses an unusual coordinate format like S 24° 14′ 802″ W 66° 21′ 755″ which {{Coord}} does not accept. Is there a way to read/translate that format so that it works?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:57, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Is that a direct copy and paste of the coordinates from your source? Seconds of latitude and longitude (the 3rd parameter of each, as written above) should be >= 0 and < 60. My best guess is that your source has been written or edited by someone who does not properly understand latitude and longitude, and what you have is actually thousandths of a minute. I.e. the correct coordinates are probably S 24° 14.802′ W 66° 21.755′. The first digit of each being > 6 is what makes me think it must be decimal fractions of a minute. The article is behind a paywall, so I'm unable to view those numbers in context. I've worked with a variety of consumer and professional GPS units, going back to some of the very first non-military units from Raytheon, and have seen a mixture of formats, some using seconds, some using decimal fractions of a minute, some configurable to both formats. --Murph9000 (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It is a direct copy and paste from the article. There is no explanation at all for the odd format.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Twinkle

    Every time I edit a page with Twinkle, is added to my watchlist. How I can disable it? Laberinto16 (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Laberinto16: Preferences -> Gadgets -> Preferences panel (at the end of the Twinkle gadget line) -> And then it depends. There are a lot of different watchlist options but I am assuming you mean when you revert people. Those are under the Revert and rollback section. Look for "Add pages to watchlist for these types of reversions:" --Majora (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

    I'm trying to link this web site to this article but can't seem to get it right. http://stanforddailyarchive.com/cgi-bin/stanford?a=d&d=stanford19611002-01.2.3#}

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